Fat Joe getting drug for saying Latinos created hip hop

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First Jamaicans, now Puerto Ricans. They won’t “let” us have nothing. If we keeping it 100, they (both of them) always wanted to be down with us and was always on the outside looking in. But they’ll deny that. It’s cool, but know your role.

Kool here is a Jamaican though, he help start hiphop.

 

[King Poetic]

Just say “ don’t forget us, we contributed to hip hop “ but created it naw homie

nikkas not running around saying we started low riders culture

 

[Haamid Shabazz]

Gotta go Joe Gotta go Joe...Gotta gotta gotta go Joe

 

[gho3st]

I wont go that far Joe. It is true that latinos were included in a few of the original elements. Some of the first bboys...graffitti artists and emcees were latino. But you know this is our shyt. And now its shared with everyone like it or not.

puerto ricans. Not “all hispanics”. I feel liek this distinction gotta be made.

 

[DJ Paul's Arm]

DJ Kool Herc created Hip Hip and Grand Wizard Theodore created scratching with Turntables. Latinos just contributed in the Break dancing element of hip hop. I think the first person to start breaking was Latino. Graffiti was first done by a black man from Philly named “cornbread”

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[Jesus Is Lord]

Kool here is a Jamaican though, he help start hiphop.

Helped is the key word. He cannot lay claim and say he started it. It wasn’t started by ONE person. It was started by Black Americans, and helped along by non-Black Americans. We cannot discount what Herc did, NO, he IS one of the foundational fathers! But when people say hip hop was started by a Jamaican and it’s derived from Jamaican culture, ie. Toasting, that’s a full fledged LIE. And oldhead Jamaicans said this themselves!

If Jamaicans never created this division to lay claim to creating rap, then we wouldn’t be having this conversation or debate. They opened the door and now the feel a way because we’re not letting them get away with lies, misunderstandings, and miseducation.

 

[Jesus Is Lord]

DJ Kool Herc created Hip Hip and Grand Wizard Theodore created scratching with Turntables. Latinos just contributed in the Break dancing element of hip hop. I think the first person to start breaking was Latino. Graffiti was first done by a black man from Philly named “cornbread”

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How can one person create 5 elements of hip hop? Kool Herc didn’t create hip hop.

 

[SleezyBigSlim]

DJ Kool Herc created Hip Hip and Grand Wizard Theodore created scratching with Turntables. Latinos just contributed in the Break dancing element of hip hop. I think the first person to start breaking was Latino. Graffiti was first done by a black man from Philly named “cornbread”

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Black musicians influenced break dancing, somebody posted Sammy Davis Jr. Doing breakdancing moves in the 50's breh. So naw I cant give Latinos credit for that either.

 

[DA_LURKA]

First Jamaicans, now Puerto Ricans. They won’t “let” us have nothing. If we keeping it 100, they (both of them) always wanted to be down with us and was always on the outside looking in. But they’ll deny that. It’s cool, but know your role.

Your mother is a whore...

 

[DJ Paul's Arm]

How can one person create 5 elements of hip hop? Kool Herc didn’t create hip hop.

Herc was the first one who started juggling break beats on the tables for the bboys and bgirls. His boy coke la rock was the first to get on the mic to give shout outs and improvise chants during those extended breaks to get the party hype which evolved into MCing. If it wasn’t for Herc juggling breaks, there’s no way someone would get on the mic while James Brown is singing.

He may have not invented all 4 elements of hip hop but he was the source that started the 3 elements to branch out. Beat juggling (DJ), break dancing (juggling those 30 seconds of funk break down) and MCing.

 

[DJ Paul's Arm]

Black musicians influenced break dancing, somebody posted Sammy Davis Jr. Doing breakdancing moves in the 50's breh. So naw I cant give Latinos credit for that either.

I saw that footage and it looks like tap dancing on steroids and not some type of 6 step. To be fair, Latinos jacked bboy moves from gymnasts who were CACs and brought awe to people who didn’t know shyt about gymnastics. All those power moves. The flare, gyro etc etc.

 

[Jesus Is Lord]

Herc was the first one who started juggling break beats on the tables for the bboys and bgirls. His boy coke la rock was the first to get on the mic to give shout outs and improvise chants during those extended breaks to get the party hype which evolved into MCing. If it wasn’t for Herc juggling breaks, there’s no way someone would get on the mic while James Brown is singing.

He may have not invented all 4 elements of hip hop but he was the source that started the 3 elements to branch out. Beat juggling (DJ), break dancing (juggling those 30 seconds of funk break down) and MCing.

Herc didn’t create neat juggling either. Do you in even know what beat juggling is? Herc let the beat break play over and over again (aka The Merry Go Round), THATS not beat juggling. The point is, he didn’t create hip hop. And people still was rapping over beats before he started letting the breaks play over and over. Herc is definitely one of the founding Fathers, but don’t give him more than he deserves over others.

 

[Jesus Is Lord]

I saw that footage and it looks like tap dancing on steroids and not some type of 6 step. To be fair, Latinos jacked bboy moves from gymnasts who were CACs and brought awe to people who didn’t know shyt about gymnastics. All those power moves. The flare, gyro etc etc.

Aight breh.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Isn't he a 5 percenter? What part of Jamaican culture is that

yup

 

[IllmaticDelta]

DJ Kool Herc created Hip Hip and Grand Wizard Theodore created scratching with Turntables. Latinos just contributed in the Break dancing element of hip hop. I think the first person to start breaking was Latino. Graffiti was first done by a black man from Philly named “cornbread”

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How could the first person to start breaking be Latino when Ricans themselves admit they were taught the dance by "black" people?

but if you don't believe that, here it is straight from their own mouths




like I said before, the OG Rican pioneers always tell the truth


OG Rican bboy telling the truth about breakdancing's origins

JOJO:"It started when I was very young. My mother and my father got married and my father went to job corps. He became a welder and he came back to get his family which we were little kids at the time and he took us up to Boston, Massachusetts. We had a house and we lived there for about a year and then he died in a car accident. So my moms couldn't afford to keep the house so we had to move back to New York City. So when we moved back to New York City we really was out of a place. You know, we needed a place fast, we didn't know where.....and there was this Black lady....her name was Miss Vern Tucker.....she was a good friend of my grandmother for years and she offered to take us in and we lived with her for a few years until we got back on our feet and she became my grandmother. So her family had parties and I can truly say that my flavour and my dance spirit and all that came from being at these house parties that they used to throw and we were a part of it.We were there at these parties that they used to throw at Christmas, Thanksgiving......we were also there at their birthday parties. And slowly but surely Miss Vern Tucker became my grandma, you know what I'm saying? And her family became my cousins and that's where my flavour came from when I lived in Manhattan. I used to just dance, I used to just do steps on top and they'd be like, "Go, Jojo! Go, Jojo!!" and actually she is the one that came up with the name Jojo. So that's where that came from. So finally we found a place in the Bronx and we moved up to the Bronx and that's where it all started for me. I lived there from 1970 till 1984. So while I lived there, there was a kid that lived in my building on Grand Avenue, his name was Mark. Black kid, he lived upstairs and I lived on the first floor. So one day I was at a jam... a DJ Whitehead jam (DJ of The Triple A Crew) at 82 Park...so I'm just chilling, hanging out and all of a sudden I see Mark and Mark is Breaking!!! And that was the first time I seen somebody do footwork, so I was like, "Holy crap!" You know, he was pretty good and I just looked at it and I went and I approached him. I said, "That's kinda nice! I like that!" And he's like, "Do you get down?" 'Cause that's what we called it back then.....we called it getting down. He said, "Do you get down?" I said, "Yeah, I get down!" He said, "Can you show me?" So I did some stuff that I just knew but he said, "That's not getting down! This is getting down!!" and so he went down and did these moves. I was flabbergasted when I first seen it, I was like, "Wow! I'm gonna really learn that!" So I went home and I practiced so the next time he would see me I actually had my footwork already. It was something for me to catch it and I caught it quick and it went from there. I just kept on practicing and practicing Then I started noticing more B-Boys and witnessing more circles and that's when I was in Public School 26 on Burnside Avenue. After I left there I wasn't really dancing like in a crew or nothing like that. Then I moved to JHS 115 in the Bronx and that's when I really started exhibiting my style of dancing and all that because I got actually kinda good at it and then I used to come out at lunch time and there was always some B-Boys breaking. Like a circle and people would come out for lunch and watch and then everybody would go back in. So I ate B-Boys for lunch and that's how I met Aby (The Bronx Boys). You know, he used to come around and he always used to have somebody with him and there was always somebody dancing.

SIR NORIN RAD:"That's very interesting! You were featured in that documentary "The Freshest Kids" and you stated there something to the effect that you were actually already B-Boying when there were hardly any Puerto Ricans around doing that dance...."

JOJO:"That's exactly what I'm meaning. What I'm telling you now that's what I meant when I said that. We were the only Puerto Ricans that got busy. Now DJ Kool Tee and DJ Mr. Lee (early DJs from the West Bronx) used to give us our respect and say, "Check out the Puerto Rican B-Boys in the house! B-Boy Spiderman and B-Boy Spiderweb!" And we got busy and that was way back. Back then there were a lot of Zulu B-Boys around. They sorta ran it back then. As for the Puerto Rican B-Boys we were just up and coming. You know, we were people who wanted to learn it and got good at it 'cause, you know, they say Puerto Ricans actually put B-Boys on their back. We're the ones that started the backspinning and all these kind of moves. As far as the footwork and the flip turns that they did....that came from the Black B-Boys."

Castles In The Sky: Interview with B-Boy Jojo (The Rock Steady Crew)



^^he's an early founder of the first lineup of the Rock Steady Crew

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another jewel dropped from Rock Steady Crew pioneer:

mr wiggles basically admits that ricans were like 2nd and 3rd generation bboys