So I finally watched this.
Actually watched the full video. It was good
I never seen this channel before but I’ll admit it’s impressive. The guys who made the video commentary know their stuff and the actual interview by the guy (I forgot his name) was good
Obviously Cliff got destroyed by him on many topics
Not sure how that effects me though
I would’ve done better in the debate than Cliff and he’s obviously a better debater than me. I think what holds Cliff back is he’s a public figure and can’t speak freely without maybe being “canceled” or opening himself to more questions and criticism so he takes the politically correct & “safe” answer
What people dont understand about the Old Testament is a lot of it is open to interpretation and it’s a mixture of a lot of elements so you gotta read it in many ways and perspectives and NOT this manual on how to life life
But you should get the lessons from it. And try to understand God or relate to mans attempt to understand God through the stories they wrote
I think
@MMS had a similar explanation on this a long time ago but I forget his take
I don’t think the OT scripture is really meant to be looked at as close as it is for this debate unless you are actually a Jewish scholar and actually a practicing JEW or someone how literally think this is their history
But regardless, Jesus comes and simplified all the questions by FULFILLING the scriptures.
And it all makes sense to me….. I don’t expect an atheist, Muslim or Jew to get it 100%
My way of thinking is different
I will say the arguments they made on SLAVERY were pretty strong
I do get how some people can look at the Bible scriptures and say to SLAVES
“Obey your masters. This is the Christian thing to do”
As if slavery is a fact of life. And some people just have an unfortunate fate or or “cursed” by God as a Hebrew Israelite might say ironically enough
But there’s literally many different interpretations someone could come to by twisting and manipulate their minds
But a few basic principles taught by Jesus destroy it all.
And also a true Christian would be lead by God/the Holy Spirit
They wouldn’t approve of race based black inferiority slavery (we are all made in Gods image)
And even if they were a product of the time they lived and owned slaves like many white Christians did, they probably treated their slaves accordingly to the moral standards of Jesus and didn’t beat/rape, starve, kill, etc….. and probably secretly freed them any chance they got
These same white people probably switched sides soon as the abolitionist movement began
But obviously nobody is perfect in this lifetime
It would be weird living in a world were slavery is just the norm and even like Kanye said “it seemed like a choice” because most blacks were so conditioned to it.
Maybe some of them actually believed the scriptures that they were “cursed” or had to be lesser in this world given the circumstances although in Gods eyes ”neither slave nor free”
Isn’t the bottom line to be accepted by God in the world to come.
Many Black Christians died never seeing freedom but they trusted in their “freedom in Christ from sin and hell in the afterlife
it’s all about how you see things in life
It’s easy for us to look back and Judge. But who are we to question gods plan.
Like I said over and over, you like to use a “perfect world” standard as a means justify your criticism of the God of the Bible
Like God hates humans and deliberately allows people to suffer when he could just orchestrate everything
But who said the majority of people even want God to make everything “perfect”?
That’s your opinion
You want the world to be a better place, I get it….we all do. But you never seem to think about how much worse it could be without Christianity
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