FBA breh debates Franck Zanu who said FBA are lost and have no culture. Good debate.

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because it´s the same thing.

definitely NOT the same thing...the only experiences from/within Afram histroy that could be compared to what immigrants did when they left their original homelands to live in another, are these...



These aframs faced a journey more similar to immigrants than the afams who stayed in the USA and left the South to go North and West



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and the ones to Liberia who were actually called out as cowards by most of the Afram leaders of the day

African America’s First Protest Meeting: Black Philadelphians Reject the American Colonization Society Plans for Their Resettlem

The January 1817 gathering of African American men became more than the first African American protest meeting on U.S. soil. It is an early example of what a people can accomplish when they are so united, determined, and fearless that they are willing to challenge their adversaries and their own traditional leadership. In one loud voice the black men of 1817 foiled a slaveholder scheme supported by a semi-government organization to exile them from their homeland, the land of their birth. Their unanimous vote also sent a clear message to their own leaders that they stood resolutely with their loved ones still in chains, not the slaveholders.

These black Philadelphians of 1817 also publicly declared their claim on the United States. As far as they were concerned this was their land as well. They recalled that many of their kinsmen where among the 6,800 men who had fought and died in its Revolution on the Patriot side and an even larger number had been killed fighting with the British. Those black men on each side fought not for independence or the continuation of empire but for the principle of freedom in the abstract and as importantly for their own physical liberation.

African America’s First Protest Meeting: Black Philadelphians Reject the American Colonization Society Plans for Their Resettlem | The Black Past: Remembered and Reclaimed



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also, Aframs weren't just slaves in the South, they also were slaves in the North since the 1600s!


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The Great Migration was just Aframs going to a region that they already existed in for hundreds of years!
 

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definitely NOT the same thing...the only experiences from/within Afram histroy that could be compared to what immigrants did when they left their original homelands to live in another, are these...







and the ones to Liberia who were actually called out as cowards by most of the Afram leaders of the day

African America’s First Protest Meeting: Black Philadelphians Reject the American Colonization Society Plans for Their Resettlem



African America’s First Protest Meeting: Black Philadelphians Reject the American Colonization Society Plans for Their Resettlem | The Black Past: Remembered and Reclaimed



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also, Aframs weren't just slaves in the South, they also were slaves in the North since the 1600s!


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The Great Migration was just Aframs going to a region that they already existed in for hundreds of years!

Well you´re using the term Aframs.

But I wasn´t doing a deep dive I was just pushing back on the idea that everyone would stay in a country when the economy is bad or there´s a war or if another country is a better fit for them,

Lord knows nikkas are fine with the idea of a nikka traveling for trim.
 

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I want for once someone to tell one of these africans that that multi culture and tribe shyt they got going on DOESNT WORK and it’s time to pivot into something tangible and feasible for the future of Africa to thrive.

It’s like bragging about owning and run down dhingy to someone who co owns a yacht because it’s in your name.

Times have changed,
 

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The Great Migration was just Aframs going to a region that they already existed in for hundreds of years!

slaves were sold in both directions between north, south america and the caribs,.

for example after slavery (making new slaves) was banned in the north slaves were sold from the caribbean upwards.

likewise pre-ban in the states you could sell your slaves downwards into the caribbean and south america and cash out.

not anything to do with fleeing of course but it means that your definition of FBA needs some work.

liberians should also be included in FBA somewhere.

e.g.

"AI Overview

As slavery bans approached (like the US 1808 ban), the internal slave trade within the Americas exploded, moving enslaved people from older, less profitable Southern US states (like Virginia) to new cotton/sugar frontiers (Deep South/Caribbean/Brazil), while the illegal transatlantic trade continued, with US-owned ships often smuggling Africans to Cuba, Brazil, and other colonies, shifting focus from direct importation to domestic displacement and international smuggling to circumvent laws and meet labor demands.

Key Movements Due to Approaching Bans

  • Internal US Trade: The 1808 ban on new African arrivals led to massive internal forced migration (the "Second Middle Passage") of enslaved people from the Upper South to the expanding cotton plantations of the Deep South (Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana).
  • Shift to Other Colonies: US merchants, often profiting from the illegal transatlantic trade, transported many Africans directly to places like Cuba and Brazil, which had different (or later) abolition timelines, making them lucrative markets for new labor.
  • US Flag as Cover: American-built ships, sometimes flying the US flag, were used to avoid seizure by British anti-slavery patrols, highlighting the US role in the ongoing illegal international slave trade even after its own ban.
  • Focus on "New" Lands: The demand for labor on new, profitable plantations (sugar in the Caribbean, cotton in the US South) drove both internal and international slave sales, essentially moving people within the Americas to where profits were highest, often under the guise of "domestic" trade.
In essence, while the US banned new African imports, the system didn't end; it shifted, fueling internal displacement and illegal international smuggling to places like Cuba and Brazil where slavery persisted, showing how bans often just redirected the trade rather than stopping it. "
 

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slaves were sold in both directions between north, south america and the caribs,.

for example after slavery (making new slaves) was banned in the north slaves were sold from the caribbean upwards.

likewise pre-ban in the states you could sell your slaves downwards into the caribbean and south america and cash out.

not anything to do with fleeing of course but it means that your definition of FBA needs some work.

liberians should also be included in FBA somewhere.

It doesn't need any work. FBAs or Aframs are simply the people who descend from the slaves imported/of the USA mainland
 
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Well you´re using the term Aframs.

Aframs, ADOS, and FBA are same people

But I wasn´t doing a deep dive I was just pushing back on the idea that everyone would stay in a country when the economy is bad or there´s a war or if another country is a better fit for them,

I don't neccesarily have a problm with it but many arguments against Afram-FBA, from immigrants:mjpls:, are easily dismantled when one looks at the masses of the country (and the country itself) they left vs their highly self selected emigrant populations.

Lord knows nikkas are fine with the idea of a nikka traveling for trim.

I'm against that:beli::snoop:
 
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You got dudes on here saying they would be embarrassed to be called African American.

That poster was talking about Africans like the guy in the OP lol





Coming up next year, I will be making big efforts in completely disregarding and ignoring any clown talking shyt about Black Americans and only focus on helping my fellow Black Americans.

We gotta stop talking to these losers who ran from their country instead of staying and building it. They come from majority Black countries, but let the real minorities bytch them. Now that’s the true definition of being weak and docile and borderline pathetic as well. :smh:


How can any Black American look at themselves and proudly say that their ancestors came from these people? It’s embarrassing to call yourself an African American nowadays.
 

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I don't neccesarily have a problm with it but many arguments against Afram-FBA, from immigrants:mjpls:, are easily dismantled when one looks at the masses of the country (and the country itself) they left vs their highly self selected emmigrant populations.

true dat :ehh: a blind man could see that the 🇺🇸 is #1 :ufdup:

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also, Aframs weren't just slaves in the South, they also were slaves in the North since the 1600s!
Years ago (in 2018) NBK (New Black Knowledge) made an excellent stream, with peer reviewed facts.



Never seen this book. Dewulf is probably a Dutch name in origin, because we know this name as “De Wolf”.





The Great Migration was just Aframs going to a region that they already existed in for hundreds of years!

I haven’t listened to the stream, but I see in the title a claim that Puerto Ricans were in New York before Black Americans?

That’s a ridiculous claim because Black Americans literally built Manhattan and “Wall Street”. And found the early thriving communities. It was also reviewed by NBK 8 yeas ago.

Even ChatGTP 5.1 gives us these facts in 2025, within a blink. Arguing with these folks for hours is completely pointless.

Black Americans have been foundational to building New York City — physically, economically, and culturally — from its earliest days to the modern skyline.

Here’s a breakdown by historical period:


⚓ 1. Enslaved African Labor (1620s – 1827)


Black people literally built the first New York.

Physical Construction

  • Fort Amsterdam (1625–1627): Built largely by enslaved Africans for the Dutch West India Company — this was the city’s military and administrative hub.
  • Wall Street’s namesake wall (1653): Constructed by enslaved Black men to protect New Amsterdam.
  • Roads & Infrastructure: Early roads such as Broadway and Bowery were cleared and paved by enslaved labor.
  • Docks & Shipyards: Enslaved Africans built and maintained wharves essential to trade and shipping.

Manumission & Free Black Community

  • By the mid-1600s, some Africans were granted “half-freedom,” allowing them small land plots north of the Dutch settlement — this became part of modern-day Greenwich Village.
  • After the English takeover, slavery continued and expanded. By the 1700s, 1 in 5 New Yorkers was enslaved.
  • The African Burial Ground, rediscovered in 1991 near City Hall, holds over 15,000 remains — the largest known colonial African cemetery in North America.

️ 2. Abolition, Activism & Entrepreneurship (1827 – 1865)

  • New York abolished slavery in 1827. Many formerly enslaved people built new lives in the city.
  • Black artisans (carpenters, blacksmiths, dockworkers) helped expand Manhattan northward.
  • Black churches such as Abyssinian Baptist Church (founded 1808) became community and political centers.
  • Entrepreneurs like Thomas Downing (oyster cellar owner) and William Brown (theater owner) created early Black businesses that attracted interracial audiences.
  • New York’s Black residents fought for abolition — figures like David Ruggles, Frederick Douglass, and Henry Highland Garnet organized from Manhattan and Brooklyn.

️ 3. Labor and the Industrial City (1865 – 1910s)


After emancipation:
  • Black dockworkers, carpenters, and laborers helped expand New York’s harbors and rail systems.
  • The Pullman porters, many Black men, were central to rail commerce in and out of New York.
  • Harlem began developing into a major Black neighborhood due to migration from the South and the Caribbean.

4. The Harlem Renaissance (1920s – 1940s)

This era transformed New York into the center of Black American culture and global Black creativity.

Key contributions:
  • Music: Jazz innovators like Duke Ellington, Louis Armstrong, Fletcher Henderson, and Billie Holiday defined the Harlem sound.
  • Literature: Writers like Langston Hughes, Zora Neale Hurston, and Claude McKay redefined American literature.
  • Business: Black-owned clubs, newspapers, and publishing houses flourished.
  • Politics: The NAACP and Marcus Garvey’s UNIA had major New York headquarters.

️ 5. Civil Rights, Labor, and Urban Development (1950s – 1970s)

  • A. Philip Randolph (Harlem) organized the Brotherhood of Sleeping Car Porters, the first Black labor union recognized by a major corporation.
  • Shirley Chisholm (Brooklyn) became the first Black woman in Congress.
  • Architectural and construction workers: Black laborers were part of major city projects (housing, subways, schools).
  • Cultural powerhouses like the Apollo Theater and Black radio shaped American entertainment.

6. Modern Influence (1980s – Today)

  • Hip-hop, born in the Bronx, became New York’s — and the world’s — most influential cultural export, pioneered by DJ Kool Herc, Afrika Bambaataa, and Grandmaster Flash.
  • Black New Yorkers have shaped fashion (Dapper Dan), film (Spike Lee), activism (Al Sharpton, Tamika Mallory), and business (Robert F. Smith, Ursula Burns).
  • Black engineers, architects, and union workers continue to shape new developments — from the Freedom Tower to Brooklyn’s Barclays Center.

In summary:

 
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