Feminist Logic

[Brock Landers]

WHY ARE WE LIVING IN A MATRIACHIAL SOCIETY IN THE FIRST PLACE? Because black men have completley and utterly dropped the fukking parenting ball.

Not simply limited to black men but all men in general, I believe this has more to do with a vicious cycle of single-mothers raising emotionally crippled young boys who did not have a father figure in their own lives, leading women on and knocking them up and fleeing when they do not know any other way. And on and on it goes.

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

WHY ARE WE LIVING IN A MATRIACHIAL SOCIETY IN THE FIRST PLACE? Because black men have completley and utterly dropped the fukking parenting ball. Its a bit harder for a mother to just abandon her child. Black men do it with ease though.

White women gave black women the feminist movement huh? One of your biggest flaws is that you just dont know when to walk away and admit defeat. Instead of realizing that maybe you dont know as much as you think you do you just continue telling on yourself.

Im not sure what you think men and women having "equal rights" means to you but if anything it seems men are more than willing to give up their power and mooch off women.



Yes there are women that get pregnant to trap men, and there are men who get women pregnant so they can live off them. I believe Tariq Nasheed calls em Professional Baby Daddies. Like I said I dont really feel bad for most single parents because pregnancy comes with the territory. Thats not slut shaming. Slut shaming is when you tell the woman who got pregnant from beign raped that she should have been dressing like a slut. If a guy isnt ready to have a child he needs to stop having sex or make damn sure him and the girl see eye to eye on things. Until then stop whining about that measly $700 you have to drop off right before you go hang out with your friends and not take care of a bad ass kid. No sympathy

Here's what's wrong with that: Men can get lied to about things like birth control and women can still unilaterally change their minds about whether they will have a baby or not AFTER conception, even after discussing it responsibly.

I go out to the bars and clubs a lot. Obviously I tell girls about my school/work that I'm doing in order to increase my status in their eyes. If I'm taking someone home one of the most common phrases I hear is, "You don't have to use a condom, it's cool. I'm on birth control." Obviously I insist on it. Then I'll hear, "I'm allergic to latex, though." Which is cool, because I carry synthetic condoms. When I tell them this, they get extremely butthurt.

This has happened multiple times. Always women in their early to mid-20s.

My point is that what if it's one of the few times where the birth control fails? What if a man is lied to? What if a woman just happens to change her mind? Why does a woman get to choose whether she has to raise a baby before it's born but a man has to comply with whatever someone else tells him to do? No sympathy? Just the ol', "Keep it in your pants" cliche?

In a world where women know they can put the clamps on a man unfairly like that, there is fraud abound. And men are expected to play along and get blamed for the problems that women have unilateral control over if they don't.

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

Not simply limited to black men but all men in general, I believe this has more to do with a vicious cycle of single-mothers raising emotionally crippled young boys who did not have a father figure in their own lives, leading women on and knocking them up and fleeing when they do not know any other way. And on and on it goes.

It's not just the fathers' fault to be clear. 40% of women in divorce cases have interfered with the children's visitations rights with their father out of "punishment" for the divorce against the father, and 50% of women don't even see visitation rights as something that's important.

 

[Sierra Mist]

In a world where women know they can put the clamps on a man unfairly like that, there is fraud abound. And men are expected to play along and get blamed for the problems that women have unilateral control over if they don't.

Where else does that work? Where you give someone 100% power and 0% accountability and then 0% power and 100% accountability?!?

Like I said. It's a contradiction.

Ultimately I'll say this. Be a feminist all you want. Just don't complain about the outcomes. Don't complain when you're not living cushy like the traditional women are. Oh wait.... it's already happening in the small pockets of America that have converted already.

But hey, people on here hate me, therefore I have no idea what I'm talking about.

Femmpocalypse is among us and I've got my lawn chair. I've got my sun screen. I've got my Ray-bans. I've got my Lemonade. I've got my camera. I can't wait to watch the implosion.

 

[thoushallhustle]

Eye balling the position. Ignoring what comes with the position.
The funniest shyt is when feminists complain about the byproduct of feminism. It clearly isn't working.

BYE FELISHA

Not simply limited to black men but all men in general, I believe this has more to do with a vicious cycle of single-mothers raising emotionally crippled young boys who did not have a father figure in their own lives, leading women on and knocking them up and fleeing when they do not know any other way. And on and on it goes.

The difference between black single mothers and white single mothers is that white illigitemate children have white privilege to help them.

Here's what's wrong with that: Men can get lied to about things like birth control and women can still unilaterally change their minds about whether they will have a baby or not AFTER conception, even after discussing it responsibly.

I go out to the bars and clubs a lot. Obviously I tell girls about my school/work that I'm doing in order to increase my status in their eyes. If I'm taking someone home one of the most common phrases I hear is, "You don't have to use a condom, it's cool. I'm on birth control." Obviously I insist on it. Then I'll hear, "I'm allergic to latex, though." Which is cool, because I carry synthetic condoms. When I tell them this, they get extremely butthurt.

This has happened multiple times. Always women in their early to mid-20s.

My point is that what if it's one of the few times where the birth control fails? What if a man is lied to? What if a woman just happens to change her mind? Why does a woman get to choose whether she has to raise a baby before it's born but a man has to comply with whatever someone else tells him to do? No sympathy? Just the ol', "Keep it in your pants" cliche?

In a world where women know they can put the clamps on a man unfairly like that, there is fraud abound. And men are expected to play along and get blamed for the problems that women have unilateral control over if they don't.

kind of bytches you fukkin? Like what young thriving woman in the prime of her life would want a child? See thats what im talking about yall chase and knock up these ratchet hoes that dont have no business being someones momma then wonder why the child turns out fukked up.

 

[Costanza]

When the white community has a cold, the black community has pneumonia. It's all looking gravy UNTIL it effects white men. The issues in the black community will happen to the white community within 50 years of adapting to the pseudo-matriarchy.

And it's funny how biology gets used for why women should have power over babies being born, yet biology shouldn't be used as to why men should be the protector and provider. I don't see women protecting women from getting raped by men. ONLY MEN can protect women.

What happens to a community when there are weak men? I direct you to your nearest black community.

Like I said, "Sorry we're closed."

This is literally a fallacy you have made up in your mind to justify your points... there is a litany of these in all of your arguments... for a person that refers utilizes the word 'pseudo' as much as you and incorrectly at that... you seem to practice your own form of pseudo-logic... thats obviously HEAVILY influenced by your feelings on the topic at hand... contrary to what you said earlier.

There have been several anthropological studies done on cultures mostly tribes that live in gender segregated communities... where women matriarchs hold as much reverence as men... and often physically stop rapes and sexual harassment... this is a fact... sorry that you've never "seen" it... but it is a reality.

Women are on average weaker than a man but alot of the 'inability for women to protect themselves' bullshet is engrained in culture and groups of women in the certain tribes in South America even carry out honor killings of men who are deemed sexual predators. Women can get gully dont doubt it...

Obviously this isnt the status quo... but you need to SERIOUSLY fact check before you make absolute statements on what women and men based on what you've "seen"... and I can only assume by your own admission you take in most of your information through local experience or media forms readily available to you. Not good enough.

Also feminism as its been portrayed in this thread is obviously counter productive... but we can look at historical facts and see women have been disenfranchised... you are convoluting your arguement by bringing in race... in isolated societies across the world this has been a common denominator...

Women's suffrage is a result of the feminist movement... it isnt all radical or post-modern... there are strains of feminism that have absolute merit.

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

BYE FELISHA



The difference between black single mothers and white single mothers is that white illigitemate children have white privilege to help them.



kind of bytches you fukkin? Like what young thriving woman in the prime of her life would want a child? See thats what im talking about yall chase and knock up these ratchet hoes that dont have no business being someones momma then wonder why the child turns out fukked up.

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[Costanza]

Here's what's wrong with that: Men can get lied to about things like birth control and women can still unilaterally change their minds about whether they will have a baby or not AFTER conception, even after discussing it responsibly.

I go out to the bars and clubs a lot. Obviously I tell girls about my school/work that I'm doing in order to increase my status in their eyes. If I'm taking someone home one of the most common phrases I hear is, "You don't have to use a condom, it's cool. I'm on birth control." Obviously I insist on it. Then I'll hear, "I'm allergic to latex, though." Which is cool, because I carry synthetic condoms. When I tell them this, they get extremely butthurt.

This has happened multiple times. Always women in their early to mid-20s.

My point is that what if it's one of the few times where the birth control fails? What if a man is lied to? What if a woman just happens to change her mind? Why does a woman get to choose whether she has to raise a baby before it's born but a man has to comply with whatever someone else tells him to do? No sympathy? Just the ol', "Keep it in your pants" cliche?

In a world where women know they can put the clamps on a man unfairly like that, there is fraud abound. And men are expected to play along and get blamed for the problems that women have unilateral control over if they don't.

And this here has literally no intellectual merit whatsoever... you are equating a woman convincing a man to not use protection to fraud......







































its not even worth it.

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

This is literally a fallacy you have made up in your mind to justify your points... there is a litany of these in all of your arguments... for a person that refers utilizes the word 'pseudo' as much as you and incorrectly at that... you seem to practice your own form of pseudo-logic... thats obviously HEAVILY influenced by your feelings on the topic at hand... contrary to what you said earlier.

There have been several anthropological studies done on cultures mostly tribes that live in gender segregated communities... where women matriarchs hold as much reverence as men... and often physically stop rapes and sexual harassment... this is a fact... sorry that you've never "seen" it... but it is a reality.

Women are on average weaker than a man but alot of the 'inability for women to protect themselves' bullshet is engrained in culture and groups of women in the certain tribes in South America even carry out honor killings of men who are deemed sexual predators. Women can get gully dont doubt it...

Obviously this isnt the status quo... but you need to SERIOUSLY fact check before you make absolute statements on what women and men based on what you've "seen"... and I can only assume by your own admission you take in most of your information through local experience or media forms readily available to you. Not good enough.

Also feminism as its been portrayed in this thread is obviously counter productive... but we can look at historical facts and see women have been disenfranchised... you are convoluting your arguement by bringing in race... in isolated societies across the world this has been a common denominator...

Women's suffrage is a result of the feminist movement... it isnt all radical or post-modern... there are strains of feminism that have absolute merit.

Let me make something clear: In a modern society, I do indeed support a woman's right to vote as it is necessary for a freer society.

However, the attaining of said right further highlights how there really isn't a patriarchy in this country. I am so glad that you brought up the universal suffrage movement. It is a perfect example of yet another reason women haven't had to sacrifice as much as much in this country while reaping the benefits.

In order for men to have the right to vote, men must sign up for the selective service. This means that we, as men, are liable to be drafted if one of the government's military-industrial complex adventures goes all quagmire and we need more bodies to get shot at in order to prove how tough we are as a country. Before universal suffrage, this was the price that men had paid as a result of their privilege to vote. They didn't get any say on whether they were allowed to or not allowed to accept such an offer, but that was the price, and that was the exchange.

This was during period when the voting age was 21 (WWI), and teenage boys that did not have the right to vote were dying for others to be able to exercise said right. All the while, the suffragettes were clamoring about how unfair it was that they weren't allowed to vote. Are you beginning to see a disparity in rights and responsibilities here?

Men today are still required to sign up for selective service. Still. Women are not. Both however, have the right to vote. While I do believe in the equality of the rights given, the lack of equality in responsibilities given is what bothers me.

Men fight and vote. Women just vote.

Link somewhat related:

White Feathers : Stories of Courage, Recruitment and Gender at the start of the Great War « Great War Fiction

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

And this here has literally no intellectual merit whatsoever... you are equating a woman convincing a man to not use protection to fraud......







































its not even worth it.

Lying isn't fraud? You're grasping at straws now. And you couldn't even counter the other stuff that I had brought up. To quote, of all people, a feminist:

"The truth will set you free, but it will piss you off, first."

 

[Sierra Mist]

This is literally a fallacy you have made up in your mind to justify your points... there is a litany of these in all of your arguments... for a person that refers utilizes the word 'pseudo' as much as you and incorrectly at that... you seem to practice your own form of pseudo-logic... thats obviously HEAVILY influenced by your feelings on the topic at hand... contrary to what you said earlier.

There have been several anthropological studies done on cultures mostly tribes that live in gender segregated communities... where women matriarchs hold as much reverence as men... and often physically stop rapes and sexual harassment... this is a fact... sorry that you've never "seen" it... but it is a reality.

Women are on average weaker than a man but alot of the 'inability for women to protect themselves' bullshet is engrained in culture and groups of women in the certain tribes in South America even carry out honor killings of men who are deemed sexual predators. Women can get gully dont doubt it...

Obviously this isnt the status quo... but you need to SERIOUSLY fact check before you make absolute statements on what women and men based on what you've "seen"... and I can only assume by your own admission you take in most of your information through local experience or media forms readily available to you. Not good enough.

Also feminism as its been portrayed in this thread is obviously counter productive... but we can look at historical facts and see women have been disenfranchised... you are convoluting your arguement by bringing in race... in isolated societies across the world this has been a common denominator...

Women's suffrage is a result of the feminist movement... it isnt all radical or post-modern... there are strains of feminism that have absolute merit.

I don't think you're getting my point. My point is women say they want equality but don't want everything that comes with it. I never said I was against women having equal rights. I'm only against the idea that women can have their cake and eat it too. I'm against MEN having their cake and eating it too. If men don't build societies, protect their women, provide for their women, and sit around watching their women do it and women build civilizations and protect their men then I'd be all for a matriarchy.

History has shown us that matriarchies work. So has the condition of the black community... I don't care how many civilizations you can name that were matriarchal. THERE IS NO VALUE IN A CIVILIZATION THAT YOU CANNOT DEFEND. Nothing is stopping a neighboring patriarchal community from invading your matriarchal community and destroying it due to it having weak men. You have a bunch of beta males sitting around "lalala lala lala lalala I love our women!!!" then some brolic patriarchs swarm in like, "WHAT'S IN YOUR WALLET?!!?" and destroy the culture. shyt the women might put up a good fight, but women still want men to protect them UNDERNEATH their matriarchy. As if what's going on with the black community isn't enough evidence.

This is why I coined the phrase pseudo-matriarchy. It's not a true matriarchy. It's not even a true egalitarian society. It's matriarchy on women's terms. YOU CAN'T DEFEND THAT!

Isn't it funny how suffrage made women equal to men in ALL aspects except conscription? You want it equal then let's make it equal. That is my point. Don't make it 50, 60, 70, 80, or 99% equal. That still isn't equal.

When women decide to throw away their perks of being women and take accountability like men then I will be all for 100% equality. That's not exactly what happens though. THAT is the caveat that everyone who has replied to me has ignored. No one will address it either, because ultimately they know they can't. I'm asking all feminists right now "Do you agree to relinquish all of the perks of being a woman and take accountability like men in order to have the power that men have?"

If the answer is no, then there is nothing left to be said. Power doesn't come without accountability. You also can't say the system is sexist yet expect to keep all the perks that were given to you BECAUSE of the inequality.

Be feminist all you want, just don't complain about the fallout of feminism. Women are already complaining about what comes out of it. If women stop complaining then I won't have a gotdamn thing to say.
When women see what TRULY comes out of equality they will NOT like that shyt. "Hold up I ain't sign up for this...."

These same feminists crying about how "chivalry is dead." Yeah, it's dead because you bytches killed it.




SORRY. WE'RE CLOSED!

 

[thoushallhustle]

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how??

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

how??

Because you're diverting from the central issue: disparity between rights and obligations. Instead you're talking about what girls we're hitting up in the club.

 

[Costanza]

Let me make something clear: In a modern society, I do indeed support a woman's right to vote as it is necessary for a freer society.

However, the attaining of said right further highlights how there really isn't a patriarchy in this country. I am so glad that you brought up the universal suffrage movement. It is a perfect example of yet another reason women haven't had to sacrifice as much as much in this country while reaping the benefits.

In order for men to have the right to vote, men must sign up for the selective service. This means that we, as men, are liable to be drafted if one of the government's military-industrial complex adventures goes all quagmire and we need more bodies to get shot at in order to prove how tough we are as a country. Before universal suffrage, this was the price that men had paid as a result of their privilege to vote. They didn't get any say on whether they were allowed to or not allowed to accept such an offer, but that was the price, and that was the exchange.

This was during period when the voting age was 21 (WWI), and teenage boys that did not have the right to vote were dying for others to be able to exercise said right. All the while, the suffragettes were clamoring about how unfair it was that they weren't allowed to vote. Are you beginning to see a disparity in rights and responsibilities here?

Men today are still required to sign up for selective service. Still. Women are not. Both however, have the right to vote. While I do believe in the equality of the rights given, the lack of equality in responsibilities given is what bothers me.

Men fight and vote. Women just vote.

Link somewhat related:

White Feathers : Stories of Courage, Recruitment and Gender at the start of the Great War « Great War Fiction

Well look I disagree with you fundamentally about the responsibilities in terms of fighting... carrying a gun doesnt make mean you carry anymore responsibility than a man (or woman) who paves the roads, were all spokes on the wheel so lets not romanticize battle... but I literally have no experience or knowledge of what this 'selective service' you speak of entails... and I'll do my research tomorrow and get back to you but are you saying that men's names are logged for a possible draft (this would almost surely be unconstitutional in 2012 no?!) and womens names are not... when women can join all brances of the military as well?

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

Well look I disagree with you fundamentally about the responsibilities in terms of fighting... carrying a gun doesnt make mean you carry anymore responsibility than a man (or woman) who paves the roads, were all spokes on the wheel so lets not romanticize battle... but I literally have no experience or knowledge of what this 'selective service' you speak of entails... and I'll do my research tomorrow and get back to you but are you saying that men's names are logged for a possible draft (this would almost surely be unconstitutional in 2012 no?!) and womens names are not... when women can join all brances of the military as well?

A person who carries a gun into battle stands to be much more likely to lose far more than someone who's paving roads or something else of the like. Here's the Wikipedia article:

Selective Service System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Just because women CAN join the military, doesn't mean that they have to make themselves available to a draft. Totally different things. One is optional and the other is not. Besides... far more men than women make that choice anyway, so that's not a solid argument.