Feminists on the coli

[William F. Russell]

Validly critiquing black feminism and bed wenches=bashing black women.

Stay logical, brehettes.

 

[Greenstrings]

If black women were so thirsty for a primetime TV show featuring a black female lead, why didn't they support HawthoRNe (the show starring Jada Pinkett as a doctor) when it aired on TNT?

HawthoRNe was a cable drama, Scandal is a Network tv drama. I shouldn't have to explain why the two aren't in the same ballpark. The last time there was a black female lead on a network show was 1974.

 

[William F. Russell]

HawthoRNe was a cable drama, Scandal is a Network tv drama. I shouldn't have to explain why the two aren't in the same ballpark. The last time there was a black female lead on a network show was 1974.

Nice deflection. You act like TNT is a premium cable channel that isn't nearly as accessible as abc.

Why weren't black women supporting HawthoRNe if they were thirsty for a black female lead?It had a black female lead in a (more relatable) position of power with white subordinates. The only serious difference between Hawthorne's character and Olivia Pope is that Hawthorne's character wasn't a bedwench.

I'll wait...

 

[Greenstrings]

Nice deflection. You act like TNT is a premium cable channel that isn't nearly as accessible as abc.

Why weren't black women supporting HawthoRNe if they were thirsty for a black female lead?It had a black female lead in a (more relatable) position of power with white subordinates. The only serious difference between Hawthorne's character and Olivia Pope is that Hawthorne's character wasn't a bedwench.

I'll wait...

Dude you are reaching. Badly.

In terms of primetime dramas TNT has nowhere near the amount of reach as abc. It's dumb to pretend otherwise. Look at the ratings of TNT's most popular shows next to abc's. Its no contest.

By all accounts the show was godawful, badly acted, unoriginal and its a miracle that it made it to 3 seasons. Look can we dead that element of this? It should a no brainer that black men and women want to see black leads on primetime network tv and the fact that you have to question that to make some spurious point shows how dubious your intentions are with this shyt.

For all the nice things you have to say about HawthoRNe its funny how it escaped your attention that the character was a nurse, not a doctor (hence the RN) and you somehow overlooked the fact that she did sleep with white male superiors on the show and didn't actually get a black love interest until the third season, despite the show being set in a city that's 50% black. (I wont mention the fact that one of these interracial trysts spilled out of the show and almost wrecked her marriage)

 

[William F. Russell]

Dude you are reaching. Badly.

In terms of primetime dramas TNT has nowhere near the amount of reach as abc. It's dumb to pretend otherwise. Look at the ratings of TNT's most popular shows next to abc's. Its no contest.

By all accounts the show was godawful, badly acted, unoriginal and its a miracle that it made it to 3 seasons. Look can we dead that element of this? It should a no brainer that black men and women want to see black leads on primetime network tv and the fact that you have to question that to make some spurious point shows how dubious your intentions are with this shyt.

For all the nice things you have to say about HawthoRNe its funny how it escaped your attention that the character was a nurse, not a doctor (hence the RN) and you somehow overlooked the fact that she did sleep with white male superiors on the show and didn't actually get a black love interest until the third season, despite the show being set in a city that's 50% black. (I wont mention the fact that one of these interracial trysts spilled out of the show and almost wrecked her marriage)

So what does that say about Scandal?

 

[Greenstrings]

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So what does that say about Scandal?

Maybe it says that the race of the people that the black female lead character sleeps with has little bearing on whether or not black women will support a show

Funny how you don't see why the contradiction deads your point. Both characters are 'bedwenches' yet only one show garners strong support from black women when by your logic women would have been setting up HawthoRNe parties back in 09.

 

[William F. Russell]

Maybe it says that the race of the people that the black female lead character sleeps with has little bearing on whether or not black women will support a show

Funny how you don't see why the contradiction deads your point. Both characters are 'bedwenches' yet only one show garners strong support from black women when by your logic women would have been setting up HawthoRNe parties back in 09.

Olivia Pope is a much bigger negro bedwench than Hawthorne was. In HawthoRNe, there were more nuanced relationship elements with her white supervisor. In Scandal, Pope is literally a piece of ass. Moreover, HawthoRNe never turned down TWO more-than-eligible black men who wanted to wife her to instead remain the President's bedwench.

Olivia Pope is supposedly the most powerful black woman in Washington and she's reduced to being the REPUBLICAN President's side piece . All of her scenes with the President are purely sexual. He literally grabs her ass and her t*ts every time they're alone in the Oval Office. There's NO LOVE between them. Again, Pope refused TWO eligible black men (one of whom a Senator) who wanted to marry her so she could continue her adulterous affair.The show basically tells black women--and the rest of the world--no matter how "successful" black women are/become, they'll NEVER be nothing more than a sexual toy to white men. It's really the biggest takeaway one can have from the show.

How black women cannot see the show as one big middle-finger to all aspiring/professional black women is a f*cking mystery.

Yes, HawthoRNe had its bedwenching moments but it was never to the magnitude of Scandal. At least HawthoRNe attempted to develop a compelling story line.


So once again, tell me why black women support the bigger of two evils (Scandal) in droves?

 

[Spiritual Stratocaster]

If black women were so thirsty for a primetime TV show featuring a black female lead, why didn't they support HawthoRNe (the show starring Jada Pinkett as a doctor) when it aired on TNT?

The mother of two of my sisters...is far from a benwench...college educated...and raising my sisters up to be queens.

But she is in love with this show...

You have a black women in a powerful position,got a man wrapped around her finger...+1 for that man being a white president. You got that Puck...(Huck?) character who is damaged as shyt. You have that black dude from Stomp the Yard so chicks can get eye candy,and they be playing r&b music....add into that it's written by that Shonda Rhimes...ingredients for a chick show.

Not to mention the soap opera-ish fukkery that goes on...

You have a powerful black women who is a wanted by just about every damn man in the show...and she is powerful. I think most black women focus on that.

 

[Greenstrings]

Olivia Pope is a much bigger negro bedwench than Hawthorne was. In HawthoRNe, there were more nuanced relationship elements with her white supervisor. In Scandal, Pope is literally a piece of ass. Moreover, HawthoRNe never turned down TWO more-than-eligible black men who wanted to wife her to instead remain the President's bedwench.

Olivia Pope is supposedly the most powerful black woman in Washington and she's reduced to being the REPUBLICAN President's side piece . All of her scenes with the President are purely sexual. He literally grabs her ass and her t*ts every time they're alone in the Oval Office. There's NO LOVE between them. Again, Pope refused TWO eligible black men (one of whom a Senator) who wanted to marry her so she could continue her adulterous affair.The show basically tells black women--and the rest of the world--no matter how "successful" black women are/become, they'll NEVER be nothing more than a sexual toy to white men. It's really the biggest takeaway one can have from the show.

How black women cannot see the show as one big middle-finger to all aspiring/professional black women is a f*cking mystery.

Yes, HawthoRNe had its bedwenching moments but it was never to the magnitude of Scandal. At least HawthoRNe attempted to develop a compelling story line.


So once again, tell me why black women support the bigger of two evils (Scandal) in droves?

If I find myself at any point in my life trying to quantify and measure up the extents of bedwenching on two shows I don't even like, I'll know its time to go take a walk.

Everything you've just put forward is interpretive and in its own rights valid. But by that same notion everybody else has the same right to watch the show and see something entirely different. Its pretty obvious that black women don't see what you've just described when they watch the show and thats fair too.

That being said this is heading way off track, ultimately if you look at what both shows had going for them it isn't very hard to see why Scandal garnered support and HawthoRNe didn't, putting aside all considerations of bedwenching.

 

[William F. Russell]

If I find myself at any point in my life trying to quantify and measure up the extents of bedwenching on two shows I don't even like, I'll know its time to go take a walk.

Everything you've just put forward is interpretive and in its own rights valid. But by that same notion everybody else has the same right to watch the show and see something entirely different. Its pretty obvious that black women don't see what you've just described when they watch the show and thats fair too.

That being said this is heading way off track, ultimately if you look at what both shows had going for them it isn't very hard to see why Scandal garnered support and HawthoRNe didn't, putting aside all considerations of bedwenching.

I don't care if black women generally don't agree with what I see. It's just that they generally don't care to hear about bedwenching element of the show (the elephant in the room). I'll go a step further that the majority of black women these days don't know/don't care about black history. They've seemingly sold out for vanity, material possessions, and individual social status. Scandal just reaffirms this. Yet when you even point it out, they either ignore you or quickly dismiss it.

This show is a slap in the face of black America. But they don't want to hear it.

 

[Poitier]

I'll go a step further that the majority of black women these days don't know/don't care about black history. They've seemingly sold out for vanity, material possessions, and individual social status.

Its crazy how these BW on The Coli (except a few) are NEVER in Black History or Black Current Events Threads.

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

Same can be said with black male militants their issue isnt white male patriarchy, they want to replace the white image with a black face and stand beside white women. That's their strategy for defeating white supremacy.

no

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

Hun, if you're not going to use stats, then I can only trust what I know. What I know is that I'm a black feminist married to a black man that I love very much. I know that I love my father, who was very instrumental in my development as a strong minded individual, and my brother, who is my rock. I know that some of my most significant role models are black men - my dissertation chair, my pastor, my 8th grade teacher who told me I can do anything. None of that negates my views on black feminism. For every example of a black man hating black feminist you provide, I can show you one who loves black men.

That's why generalizations without data don't work in discussions like this. People pick the very best and very worst examples to support their arguments, but in the end, we know very little about this group of women to assign their views to an agenda designed to destroy black men.

You're a rare breed friend.

 

[Yup]

no

A monkey in a business suit is still a monkey.

 

[Yup]

I don't care if black women generally don't agree with what I see. It's just that they generally don't care to hear about bedwenching element of the show (the elephant in the room). I'll go a step further that the majority of black women these days don't know/don't care about black history. They've seemingly sold out for vanity, material possessions, and individual social status. Scandal just reaffirms this. Yet when you even point it out, they either ignore you or quickly dismiss it.

This show is a slap in the face of black America. But they don't want to hear it.

But black men do right? So tell me what are black men doing to keep history alive?