First Kyrie, now Kiwi goes down, GS LUCKIEST team ever??

[ISO]

Y'all LeBron stans are hilarious.

So we're going to act like Delly wasn't huge in that series? Like he didn't drop 20 in game 3 as the Cavs took a 2-1 lead, like he didn't play some of the best defense ever played on Steph, held him to 19 points on 5 of 23 shooting and 6 turnovers in game 2? Them performances took everything out of him, dude was literally laying in a hospital with IV's and battled cramps in the series.

Steph wasn't MVP of this series behind the narrative that Delly was locking him down

You're just dismissing Delly as some bum, Gil Scott-Heroin of all people sounding like a casual?

 

[seemorecizzy]

Y'all LeBron stans are hilarious.

Della was giving curry that work before he had to go to the hospital tho

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

1. Possibly. We don't know, anything is possible word to KG...

Here's the problem with this, somehow it's a great injustice that the Warriors faced a Bev-less Rockets team and a Jrue-less Pelicans team on this board yet those same people would laugh in your face if you brought up that the Cavs faced the Raptors without Lowry - who is more important to his team than both Jrue and Bev were in 2015. A player who was arguably the Raptors best when they took two games off the Cavs last postseason.

2. Reread my post. Bogut was ineffective he was only averaging 12 minutes per game and the Warriors were outscored by 9 points per 100 possessions with him on the floor.

The problem when dealing with a small sample size like this is it's prone to strong deviation, hence his minutes in G3 when the Warriors were blown out by 30. What that stat doesn't tell you is that he was still arguably the best rim protector in the minutes he did play (holding the Cavs' players to -15% under their usual FG%), he was a paint deterrent, one of the Warriors best defensive bigs, gave the Warriors more flexibility/rest in their lineups and basically was pivotal to Kerr keeping the same rotations - he ended up needing to play Ezeli minutes against the starters (and we all know how horrible he was).

1. Possibly. We don't know, anything is possible word to KG...
Bogut didn't even play much in the 2015 Finals.

This is irrelevant. Because the Cavs weren't playing the exact same players as they did in 2015, and therefore the Warriors needed a different strategy to the one in the previous Finals. Plus Iggy was injured too. The Warriors only benched Bogut in '15 because they could put Iggy into the starting lineup. With no Bogut and a injured-Iggy, two of their three best frontline defenders were either out or ineffective.

LeBron didn't do "shyt" is hyperbole, Iggy was stripping him and he was struggling to finish at the rim but he still had some pretty good games and dropped 32 in a 30 point blow out with everyone healthy.

Not hyperbole at all - LeBron shot 42% in the first four games of the '16 Finals when both Iggy/Draymond were on the court. Lebron shot in the low-30% when Iggy/Draymond were on the court in the '15 Finals.

3. Why? It's the year the Dubs actually won the title...

Because it's not relevant to my point.

4. Yeah, they won so what? He still got a concussion in the series, missed a game and probably played through pain...

Again, it's not relevant. They still won the game. In fact it actually goes against this board's narrative of that the Cavs would've won in 2015 if Love was healthy. The only game the Cavs won when the Warriors had their normal rotation with healthy players was when Love was out. Otherwise the Warriors were 3-0 with their full rotation, when Love was playing in the Finals.

 

[JameisNewton]

Just imagine if the opposite occured:

Cavs up 3-1
Cavs player suspended
Injuries to TWO Cavs players
Refs foul LeBron out of an elimination game
Warriors come back to win series

This board would have had a meltdown.

Yes we are aware that your post count belies your penchant for living in a world of hypotheticals.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

So we're going to act like Delly wasn't huge in that series?

It was a clear case of overrating the performance of a white role player. I'm just laughing at the fact you posted - | hospitalized for dehydration and cramping after game 3 (shot 5 of 26 for remainder of series) - as if that was the reason for why he shot 5 out of 26 for the rest of the series. It's pathetic to even bring that up as if it's an injury, shyt if we're extending it to dehydration and cramps in one game than we could be here all day with the "injuries" to the Cavs' opponents. And he was only checked over as a precaution, he wasn't "hospitalized" in the general sense of the word. Plus he was only dehydrated and cramped up because he had coffee before the game:

INDEPENDENCE, Ohio -- Matthew Dellavedova will be in the lineup for Game 4 of the Finals, but after suffering from dehydration in Game 3, he won't be sticking to one of his tried-and-true pregame rituals.

The Cleveland Cavaliers starting point guard will eschew his tradition of his pregame -- and sometimes halftime -- cup of joe.

"There will be no coffee tonight," Dellavedova said after Cavs shootaround Thursday. "It's not a good thing, probably, for your hydration."

He was fine for Game 4 and the rest of the games. I don't know why his dehydration/cramps are even brought up, as if it had ANY impact on the rest of the series.

Like he didn't drop 20 in game 3 as the Cavs took a 2-1 lead,

That game was an anomaly, not the norm for him. Don't blame his "cramps" for why he didn't score like that again. Check his past playoff performances, check his past regular season performances. He's not a scorer like that. Never mind the fact that the season after in the '16 Finals against GS he was getting good minutes off the bench in the first two games, and was absolutely horrible and barely even saw the floor for the remainder of the series.

like he didn't play some of the best defense ever played on Steph, held him to 19 points on 5 of 23 shooting and 6 turnovers in game 2?

You're overrating his defense on Steph in that game - Delly gets too much credit for stopping Steph. It was a combination of Curry missing open shots and team defense in G2. Curry only had one poor shooting performance in that series, and yet dudes act like Delly was some God on the defensive end; guarding Curry. Why did Delly let Curry shoot 50% in G1? Why did Delly let Curry shoot 50% in G3?

Steph wasn't MVP of this series behind the narrative that Delly was locking him down

That's how STUPID people are that they fall victim to narratives instead of paying attention to the games.

You're just dismissing Delly as some bum, Gil Scott-Heroin of all people sounding like a casual?

G1 - Curry shot 50%
G2 - Delly gets too much credit for stopping Steph (combination of Curry missing open shots and Cavs team defense)
G3 - Curry shot 50%
G4 - Curry shot 47%
G5 - Curry shot 56% (7-13 from behind the arc)
G6 - Curry shot 42% (and the funny thing is Curry played 43 minutes and Delly only played 25 minutes)

Bu-bu-but the narrative is that Delly locked down Curry in that series. Is @ISO really the one sounding like a casual? Surely not.

 

[ISO]

Here's the problem with this, somehow it's a great injustice that the Warriors faced a Bev-less Rockets team and a Jrue-less Pelicans team on this board yet those same people would laugh in your face if you brought up that the Cavs faced the Raptors without Lowry - who is more important to his team than both Jrue and Bev were in 2015. A player who was arguably the Raptors best when they took two games off the Cavs last postseason.

The problem when dealing with a small sample size like this is it's prone to strong deviation, hence his minutes in G3 when the Warriors were blown out by 30. What that stat doesn't tell you is that he was still arguably the best rim protector in the minutes he did play (holding the Cavs' players to -15% under their usual FG%), he was a paint deterrent, one of the Warriors best defensive bigs, gave the Warriors more flexibility/rest in their lineups and basically was pivotal to Kerr keeping the same rotations - he ended up needing to play Ezeli minutes against the starters (and we all know how horrible he was).

This is irrelevant. Because the Cavs weren't playing the exact same players as they did in 2015, and therefore the Warriors needed a different strategy to the one in the previous Finals. Plus Iggy was injured too. The Warriors only benched Bogut in '15 because they could put Iggy into the starting lineup. With no Bogut and a injured-Iggy, two of their three best frontline defenders were either out or ineffective.

Not hyperbole at all - LeBron shot 42% in the first four games of the '16 Finals when both Iggy/Draymond were on the court. Lebron shot in the low-30% when Iggy/Draymond were on the court in the '15 Finals.

Because it's not relevant to my point.

Again, it's not relevant. They still won the game. In fact it actually goes against this board's narrative of that the Cavs would've won in 2015 if Love was healthy. The only game the Cavs won when the Warriors had their normal rotation with healthy players was when Love was out. Otherwise the Warriors were 3-0 with their full rotation, when Love was playing in the Finals.

Maybe people laugh off at Lowry because he has built a reputation as a brick layer in the playoffs, and the Raptors have build a reputation of basically being Clippers East. Also, they'd probably laugh because the Raptors lost the first two games with him there by double digits. People just don't believe the Raptors can beat the Cavaliers, hell they may not believe it themselves. Also, Lowry is generally an underappreciated player. With Bogut I still see a guy who was there for two losses including a 30 point beatdown, was playing under 15 minutes, if you think they win the series if he's out there ok I guess.

A lot of this stuff is hypotheticals, we don't know what would happen if Love and Kyrie played in 2015, we don't know what would happen if Dray doesn't get suspended (his fault), if Iggy doesn't get spasms, and Bogut doesn't hurt his knee. I still feel that as a 73-9 team, with a unanimous MVP, with two home games, with Dray returning, you should be able to still win with injured role players. You say you're doing this because of the LeBron stans but you're just stooping down to their level by downplaying their come back last year. Because that '15 series went 6 games without Love and Kyrie, there will always be debates about those Finals. It is what it is.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Della was giving curry that work before he had to go to the hospital tho

G1 - Curry shot 50%
G2 - Delly gets too much credit for stopping Steph (combination of Curry missing open shots and Cavs team defense)
G3 - Curry shot 50%
G4 - Curry shot 47%
G5 - Curry shot 56% (7-13 from behind the arc)
G6 - Curry shot 42% (and the funny thing is Curry played 43 minutes and Delly only played 25 minutes)

Bu-bu-but the narrative is that Delly locked down Curry in that series. Is @ISO really the one sounding like a casual? Surely not.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Maybe people laugh off at Lowry because he has built a reputation as a brick layer in the playoffs, and the Raptors have build a reputation of basically being Clippers East. Also, they'd probably laugh because the Raptors lost the first two games with him there by double digits. People just don't believe the Raptors can beat the Cavaliers, hell they may not believe it themselves..

How's that any different to Beverly and Jrue? How can they laugh at the thought of Lowry not making a difference but bring up Bev's and Jrue's injuries? You don't think that's in the least bit hypocritical? And this is all without taking into account the Raptors still lost their first two games against the Cavs in the '15 Playoffs by double digits, yet went back home and won two games against the Cavs with Lowry arguably being their best player. Is there any instances where the Pelicans or Rockets took games off the Warriors when they had Beverley and Jrue playing, respecitively, that would give cause to that narrative?

With Bogut I still see a guy who was there for two losses including a 30 point beatdown, was playing under 15 minutes, if you think they win the series if he's out there ok I guess.

The series would've ended differently if Bogut was healthy, Iggy was healthy and Draymond wasn't suspended. It's the combination of all of them, not just any particular one. I mean shyt, it's not like the Cavs were already in a winning position before those occured. The Warriors were up 3-1 when all that shyt happened. They had already proved they were the better team with a full rotation.

A lot of this stuff is hypotheticals, we don't know what would happen if Love and Kyrie played in 2015, we don't know what would happen if Dray doesn't get suspended (his fault), if Iggy doesn't get spasms, and Bogut doesn't hurt his knee. I still feel that as a 73-9 team, with a unanimous MVP, with two home games, with Dray returning, you should be able to still win with injured role players. You say you're doing this because of the LeBron stans but you're just stooping down to their level by downplaying their come back last year. Because that '15 series went 6 games without Love and Kyrie, there will always be debates about those Finals. It is what it is.

Not at all. The Cavs won fair and square, and deserved to win, and I acknowledged as such after the Finals (despite posters on this board thinking I disappeared after the Finals had completed). The point is, folk need to stop criticizing/shyttin on teams using one set of rules, and then not only not applying the same to another team, but shyttin' on the aforementioned team as if they didn't go through their own struggles themselves. There's a narrative on this board of the Warriors have only beaten ONE healthy elite team (OKC) over the last three postseasons, and it's used to shyt on them. Now tell me why do folk shyt on them for only beating ONE elite healthy team when the Cavs haven't beaten any?



Dudes would've off'ed themselves last season if the Warriors came back down 1-3 against the Cavs, through a suspension, LeBron fouling out and injuries to key players. But since the Cavs did it, not only is it alright, but it was used to shyt on the Warriors.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Except this very thing happened in the Finals last season and this board didn't say shyt. They were too busy drowning in their own hypocrisy.

"this very thing"

It's too early in the postseason for you to be getting desperate Gil.

 

[ABlackMan]

1. if you have 3 allstars and you are resting your championship hopes on andrew bogut, something is wrong with you.
2. everyone is hurt in the finals, he was healthy enough to play
3. draymond played in game 6 and 7. had a great game in the first half of game 7 if i recall, they still lost

how can u possibly compare nicky nack shyt like that to lebron not having his 2 best players for a ENTIRE series

nikkas still won 2 games

Because had draymond not been suspended bogus wouldn't have been in the game dumbass

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

"this very thing"

It's too early in the postseason for you to be getting desperate Gil.

Very thing = LeBron winning after being down before injuries to the opposing team. Desperate? You're the one who keeps hedging their bets, or should I say propping this Warriors squad up, so that you bask in the glory if LeBron does beat GS.

 

[ISO]

It was a clear case of overrating the performance of a white role player. I'm just laughing at the fact you posted - | hospitalized for dehydration and cramping after game 3 (shot 5 of 26 for remainder of series) - as if that was the reason for why he shot 5 out of 26 for the rest of the series. It's pathetic to even bring that up as if it's an injury, shyt if we're extending it to dehydration and cramps in one game than we could be here all day with the "injuries" to the Cavs' opponents. And he was only checked over as a precaution, he wasn't "hospitalized" in the general sense of the word. Plus he was only dehydrated and cramped up because he had coffee before the game:



He was fine for Game 4 and the rest of the games. I don't know why his dehydration/cramps are even brought up, as if it had ANY impact on the rest of the series.

That game was an anomaly, not the norm for him. Don't blame his "cramps" for why he didn't score like that again. Check his past playoff performances, check his past regular season performances. He's not a scorer like that. Never mind the fact that the season after in the '16 Finals against GS he was getting good minutes off the bench in the first two games, and was absolutely horrible and barely even saw the floor for the remainder of the series.

You're overrating his defense on Steph in that game - Delly gets too much credit for stopping Steph. It was a combination of Curry missing open shots and team defense in G2. Curry only had one poor shooting performance in that series, and yet dudes act like Delly was some God on the defensive end; guarding Curry. Why did Delly let Curry shoot 50% in G1? Why did Delly let Curry shoot 50% in G3?




That's how STUPID people are that they fall victim to narratives instead of paying attention to the games.

G1 - Curry shot 50%
G2 - Delly gets too much credit for stopping Steph
G3 - Curry shot 50%
G4 - Curry shot 47%
G5 - Curry shot 56% (7-13 from behind the arc)
G6 - Curry shot 42% (and the funny thing is Curry played 43 minutes and Delly only played 25 minutes)

Bu-bu-but the narrative is that Delly locked down Curry in that series. Is @ISO really the one sounding like a casual?

So players getting I.V.'s and deabilitating full body cramps is regular now?

A few rooms away, the Cavs' medical team was aggressively rubbing ice all over Dellavedova's body as team doctors installed an IV into his arm as they tried to pull him out of what had turned into almost a full-body cramp.

"First my quads both cramped. Then my hammies. Then my adductors. I couldn't move off the training table," Dellavedova said as he recently recalled the moments after the Cavs' Game 3 victory over the Golden State Warriors last spring. "I was stuck on the table. I had the IV in and I was still cramping. They helped me to the cold tub and I just collapsed in it for 20 minutes."

I don't think he was dehydrated or cramped up because of coffee, the article you posted doesn't state that and it says it's a ritual for him that he's likely been doing his entire career. It was from playing huge minutes in back to back games and having to exert tons of energy defending Steph, diving for loose balls (hit the floor 12 times in game 3), and having more usage than he ever had in his career.

Dellavedova said himself he was physically spent in this series, whose to say how it affected him, he didn't say nothing about no damn coffee making him get cramps. It's just assumed coffee isn't ideal for hydration.

I didn't state that Dellavedova was a scorer like that. The game was an anomaly for him. But it's B.S. that you are downplaying his defense on Steph as just miscues and good "team defense". I saw Delly pick Steph up full-court and stay glued to his body chasing him off-ball, fighting through screens with his hands up, I saw him effectively deny ball. He played GREAT individual defense c'mon. Even if on some nights the percentages didn't show it he was a pest and made Steph work for his. The same article you posted says that he missed some open looks but he was also 0 for 8 in isolation against him in that game.

I didn't even mean for this Delly shyt to go that far, we know if Iggy or Livingston was the one hospitalized and cramping you would bring it up

I don't believe that narrative, I thought Steph was the MVP for GS in that series it doesn't mean Delly ain't play good defense on him...

 

[seemorecizzy]

Because had draymond not been suspended bogus wouldn't have been in the game dumbass

you are not making sense

they had 3 games to close it out
2 games with draymond
they lost at home
they had a lead at halftime
golden state fans saying they woulda won if bogut was playing is the dumbest shyt ever

they have NO RINGS if love and kyrie play the year before
2 bonified allstars
u hear talking about some glorified journey man lol

 

[Art Barr]

Bogut got injured and missed the end of game 5 and game 6 and 7
Iguodala was playing injured
Draymond was suspended for game 5


For some reason LeHoe's stans always got short memory when it comes to that

Both teams are even as far as benefitting from injuries for titles.
Except bron created Gs, and over thought himself out of another three peat when he traded Andrew Wiggins to Minnie AP for love.
So at the end we all lost cause the league is not made to try to be the best over sized pedigreed back court in NBA history of the cavs going for a three peat.

So we all lost cause we really not seeing the best possible basketball and the rest of the league is not on notice to create sound roster to compete like the 80's were.

Instead we get more low IQ style basketball.
Predicated around two teams that really don't promote low post high quality IQ basketball as a standard.


Art Barr

 

[ISO]

Coli kinda shot itself in the foot by minimizing his impact after that Houston game

Coli was bugging that game didn't expose Leonard as a system player, it exposed Harden as a horrific big game player that despite his ridiculous talent and skill level has fundamental flaws and suffers from mental weakness, and perhaps doesn't have the highest will or desire to win. Harden's been a terrible big game player dating back to when he played at Arizona.

and spurs weren't going to make it past gs, with or without kawhi.

Ehh, I don't know. Don't be so sure. Everybody thought last years Golden State was unbeatable and Oklahoma City damn near took them out. This year the Spurs have had four 20 point leads on Golden State, perhaps this isn't the best match-up for them, if the Spurs get Kawhi back next game and they execute better down the stretch this can be a long series.