FiveThirtyEight: Once And For All: Michael Jordan Was WAY Better Than Kobe Bryant

[Sccit]

the levels of delusion to try comparing kobe to his airness is just . I'll settle this debate. Career averages of 30/6/6 on 50% shooting while consistently grading out as a fantastic defender compared to averages of 25/5/5 on 44% shooting while grading out as an average/below average defender. Even simpler if that doesn't to it is 6 rings compared to 5, 6 finals MVP awards to 2, a defensive player of the year award for mike, and 5 MVP awards to 1 in favor of mike. this is like comparing Manny Ramirez to Babe Ruth or something as absurd.

LMFAO KOBE HAS MADE 12 ALL-DEFENSIVE TEAMS (9 FIRST TEAM) .. MORE THAN MJ.. AND U GOT THE AUDACITY TO CALL HIM
A BELOW AVERAGE DEFENDER?


U DONT DESERVE LIFE HOMIE

 

[Sccit]

the article is comparing Kobe and MJ from the ages of 21-34 (their primes)

YES AND THE TS% IS STILL COMPARABLE .. ESPECIALLY WHEN U TAKE INTO ACCOUNT EVOLUTION OF ERAS.

 

[Goatpoacher]

YOU PUSY ASS FAGOT, DONT QUOTE ME UNTIL U GROW A PAIR AND HAVE THE COURAGE TO SHOW YOUR FACE

UNTIL THEN ITS SAFE TO ASSUME U A SCARY NERD HIDING BEHIND A NAME

I see, that's why you wear a hat. You may want to add a baklava to your yarmulke

 

[Saiyajin]

YES AND THE TS% IS STILL COMPARABLE .. ESPECIALLY WHEN U TAKE INTO ACCOUNT EVOLUTION OF ERAS.

i agree that they're comparable

and when you compare them you can clearly see Jordan is better

 

[hayesc0]

WRONG .. MJ SHOT .569 TS%

COMPARABLE TO KOBE, BUT KOBES IS BETTER WHEN U TAKE INTO ACCOUNT HE WAS NEVER GUARDED BY 6'2 SHOOTING GUARDS ALA MJ

 

[Sccit]

#FACTSONLY

 

[Saiyajin]

YES AND THE TS% IS STILL COMPARABLE .. ESPECIALLY WHEN U TAKE INTO ACCOUNT EVOLUTION OF ERAS.

and if you wanna talk about evolution of Eras dont ignore how they had to change the rules to stop Shaq's dominance because people could double and even triple team shaq even when he didnt have the ball.

The change in zone rules forced the Lakers to have to rely less on Shaq and more on Kobe, greatly benefitting Kobe

 

[Goatpoacher]

LMFAO KOBE HAS MADE 12 ALL-DEFENSIVE TEAMS (9 FIRST TEAM) .. MORE THAN MJ.. AND U GOT THE AUDACITY TO CALL HIM
A BELOW AVERAGE DEFENDER?


U DONT DESERVE LIFE HOMIE

Kobe deserved 1 or 2 of them. It's well known by everybody except you that you're an idiot, but even your fellow kobestans admit kobe didn't deserve the majority of those all defense selections.

You know, it's bad enough that you're a confused bisexual autistic goofy wigger, but even you have to realize that MJ is head and shoulders above kobe. the 538 analysis already normalizes the "eras". Given your accountant genes, you should be able to do the math.

And i'll post a picture if you drop the ALL caps for a month.

 

[Sccit]

and if you wanna talk about evolution of Eras dont ignore how they had to change the rules to stop Shaq's dominance because people could double and even triple team shaq even when he didnt have the ball.

The change in zone rules forced the Lakers to have to rely less on Shaq and more on Kobe, greatly benefitting Kobe

NEITHER HERE NOR THERE .. DEFENSES ADVANCED FROM WHEN MJ PLAYED TO WHEN KOBE PLAYED. THIS IS A FACT.

 

[Sccit]

Kobe deserved 1 or 2 of them. It's well known by everybody except you that you're an idiot, but even your fellow kobestans admit kobe didn't deserve the majority of those all defense selections.

You know, it's bad enough that you're a confused bisexual autistic goofy wigger, but even you have to realize that MJ is head and shoulders above kobe. the 538 analysis already normalizes the "eras". Given your accountant genes, you should be able to do the math.

And i'll post a picture if you drop the ALL caps for a month.

THE FUCC IS ALL THIS BISEXUAL/BICURIOUS TALK COMIN FROM? SOUNDS MORE LIKE PROJECTION THAN A DISS LMAO .. SO NOT ONLY ARE U A PUSY WHOS SCARED TO SHOW HIS FACE, BUT NOW U FRUITY TOO........



DUDE SAID KOBE WAS A BELOW AVERAGE DEFENDER .. IM DONE.

 

[Goatpoacher]

THE FUCC IS ALL THIS BISEXUAL/BICURIOUS TALK COMIN FROM? SOUNDS MORE LIKE PROJECTION THAN A DISS LMAO .. SO NOT ONLY ARE U A PUSY WHOS SCARED TO SHOW HIS FACE, BUT NOW U FRUITY TOO........



DUDE SAID KOBE WAS A BELOW AVERAGE DEFENDER .. IM DONE.

Projection? Another term that the stupid angry wigger learned from being on the wrong end of a conversation?
You clearly don't understand English words. Where did I say Kobe was a below average defender? He was below average from 2011 until he retired but he tried on occasion before then.

What a surprise though, stupid angry autistic hebrew wigger can't read.

 

[Sccit]

Projection? Another term that the stupid angry wigger learned from being on the wrong end of a conversation?
You clearly don't understand English words. Where did I say Kobe was a below average defender? He was below average from 2011 until he retired but he tried on occasion before then.

What a surprise though, stupid angry autistic hebrew wigger can't read.

PUSYBOY, U CAN CAST ALL THE STONES U WANT, BUT ITS MEANINGLESS WHEN U SCARY TO POST WHAT U LOOK LIKE CUZ U HAVE NO SELF-CONFIDENCE .. CLEARLY UR EITHER A HUGE NERD OR HAVE A PHYSICAL DEFORMATION. SO THE MORE DISSES U SPEW, THE MORE FRUITY IT MAKES U LOOK .... AND YEA, CALLIN SOME1 BISEXUAL/BICURIOUS IS TEXTBOOK PROJECTION. I MEAN ITS ONE THING TO CALL SOME1 A FAGG, BUT TO SAY SOME SHIIT LIKE THAT IT HAD TO BE ON YOUR MIND .. IM TOO GOOD FOR THIS SHIIT FAM, U SHOULD PAY ME FOR THESE SESSIONS. IT WASNT U WHO SAID KOBE WAS A BELOW AVERAGE DEFENDER, IT WAS YOUR TAGTEAM NUTRIDER....BUT U QUOTED WHAT I REPLIED TO HIM N TRIED TO DEFEND HIS RETARDATION.


NOW POST YOUR PIC OR STFU NERD

 

[Sunalmighty]

STRAWMAN ARGUMENT .. JORDAN NEVER SHOT 50% ONCE POST 1992, WHEN NBA PLAYERS EVOLVED AND DEFENSIVE ADVANCEMENTS IN THE LEAGUE BEGAN TAKING PLACE. KOBE WOULDA SHOT 60% IF HE WAS PLAYIN AGAINST THE 6'2 SHOOTING GUARDS OF THE EIGHTIES .. TIM DUNCAN IS A BIG MAN WHO DOESNT SHOOT THREES AND SHOT UNDER 50% FOR A MAJORITY OF HIS CAREER ..... AND HES CONSIDERED THE GOAT PF. THE MORE RANGE U HAVE, THE LOWER YOUR PERCENTAGE WILL NATURALLY BE. IF KOBE WAS A WEAK THREE POINT SHOOTER ALA JORDAN, HIS PERCENTAGES WOULD GO UP.

but Kobe flourished offensively in an Era where the rule change in 2000 said you cannot even touch a player. This is the softest era in the history of basketball and the nicca couldn't even shoot 50% ONE TIME from the floor?????? Not once??? How many seasons did MJ shoot 50% PLUS from the floor against the most physical teams in the history of the league? Mike took 18 months off which more than likely explains why he didn't match the percentage he did before he retired.

 

[Sccit]

but Kobe flourished offensively in an Era where the rule change in 2000 said you cannot even touch a player. This is the softest era in the history of basketball and the nicca couldn't even shoot 50% ONE TIME from the floor?????? Not once??? How many seasons did MJ shoot 50% PLUS from the floor against the most physical teams in the history of the league? Mike took 18 months off which more than likely explains why he didn't match the percentage he did before he retired.

SO WHY DID MJ NEVER SHOOT 50%+ AFTER 1992? .. THE ZONE RULES ADVANCED DEFENSES TENFOLD...DO U UNDERSTAND THAT BEFORE 2000, U COULDNT PLAY D OFF YOUR MAN? HELP D WAS MINIMAL.. YOU COULDNT GUARD AREAS OR PACK THE PAINT LIKE U CAN TODAY. DO U KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT BASKETBALL? IT WAS WAYYYYY EASIER TO SCORE IN THE 80S, HENCE THE INFLATED SCORING TOTALS .. THIS IS COMMON SENSE HOMIE, STEP IT UP ..... NOT TO MENTION, THE EVOLUTION OF OUR MODERN DAY ATHLETE.. PLAYERS WERE SMALLER AND MUCH LESS PHYSICALLY AND ATHLETICALLY GIFTED THAN THEY ARE TODAY. THE AVERAGE HEIGHT/SIZE OF A SHOOTING GUARD FROM THE 80S HAS INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY, AND THIS IS NOT EVEN DEBATABLE.

 

[Draje]

Kobe has a lower TS% percentage while scoring less points and @Sccit is trying to argue he's a better shooter than MJ. Jordan is much better at shooting in the midrange, has better shot selection, ability to create more separation, a better slasher, a better finisher, and an overall better scorer.

Is Jordan a better scorer than Kobe or not?

He's using the same argument that someone would use to say Curry is better than Kobe (Shooting and handles) but at least Curry is actually an efficient shooter.