For the first time in NBA history, the top 3 players are arguably internationally born. How do you feel about this?

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Jokic got gentlemen swept in the 1st round. If you’re going off playoff performance, then Jokic is severely lacking. :francis:
Is what you’re talking about player performance or more team performance? If you think that KD and Jokic deserve to be scaled the same based off last postseason, welI, I don’t know if hoops is for you.

shyt, you could even argue Jokic has been the best postseason performer over the last three years (as a whole).
 

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Jokic averaged like 31 points per game with 13 rebounds and nearly 6 assists for a trash roster In the playoffs. He is also the back to back MVP. I don’t understand how ya’lls brains work. :why:

Jokic is without a doubt a top three player.
KD would've asked for a trade immediately once he learned he was stuck with Aaron fukking Gordon as his second best player for an entire season :mjlol:
Last time Jokic and the Nuggets had a healthy roster they shocked everyone and got to the WCF.
 

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Yeah. People forget that Big money lured Dominique Wilkins to Euro leagues BEFORE he played his last NBA game.


Globalization does work both ways.
Nique played in Greece, and lead his team to the Euro championship game in 1996



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Went back to the NBA the next season
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Then went to play in Italy the following season



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And played another year in the NBA after that


*More recently, there was an NBA player(starter) from Stanford who left the league in his prime to go play in Europe because of a big money offer, and then returned to the NBA and resumed his career
 

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Nique played in Greece, and lead his team to the Euro championship game in 1996



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Went back to the NBA the next season
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Then went to play in Italy the following season



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And played another year in the NBA after that


*More recently, there was an NBA player(starter) from Stanford who left the league in his prime to go play in Europe because of a big money offer, and then returned to the NBA and resumed his career

Josh Childress?
He wasn't really a starter but he definitely got minutes with the Hawks before he went to Greece
 

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Josh Childress?
He wasn't really a starter but he definitely got minutes with the Hawks before he went to Greece
Thanks for the name and correction.
Just remembered that he was a high draft pick who left the league in his prime.

The other examples I mentioned were guys who left on the downside or who didn't make the league. Childress' story stood out to me at the time.
 

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Why do you view everything two-dimensionally all the damn time?

KD getting swept in the manner he did doesn’t give him sovereignty in these discussions. It wasn’t as if he went out there and performed at a high level - he shyt the bed in every single game, and what made it worse is that they were all winnable games. It wasn’t as there was a mammoth margin in talent and ability between the two teams that he simply couldn’t overcome. Just because he won some shyt about half a decade ago doesn’t automatically carry over to the now. He legitimately had one of the worst series’/postseasons a superstar has had in recent memory and in the context of discussing where players are ranked, that carries a lot of weight. Especially when Luka, Jokic and Giannis thoroughly outperformed him in the same environment. Now, that’s not to say that’s all that matters when comparing players, but nobody can reasonably argue that KD is without question a better player than all three as it currently stands.

I don’t have an issue with you believing KD is a top-3 player, because he has an argument for being so, the problem is you believing that argument supersedes all else, and your complete lack of comprehension matters to where you felt the need to derail a legitimate thread.

You don’t need to win a title to be in the conversation, otherwise, what the fukk was Bron before 2012? What was KD before 2017? What was Charles Barkley at his peak? What were all the recognised ‘best players in the game’ before they won anything?
So Bron was not top 3 in the league after his 2011 meltdown? If Jokic and Luka are top 3 then where does that put ya mans Steph? We all agree on Giannis. You put your foot in your mouth too much.
 

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You’re telling me that Bron was at no point a top-3 player before 2012?

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I’m asking you since you said KD is not top 3 mainly cause of his poor playoffs. Bron had a worse showing in the 2011 finals so with your logic he should not be top 3 going into 2012. BTW Bron was top 3 regardless of his 2011 performance.
 
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If Jokic and Luka are top 3 then where does that put ya mans Steph? We all agree on Giannis.
Steph has an argument for top-3 too. There are multiple players that can be argued for those spots. This is your issue when you ran up in here not using those rocks inside your head thinking the top-3 can’t be argued which took away from the point the OP was making.

If the OP mentioned someone like Harden then I could understand someone contesting that, but he only listed players that have legitimate cases for being ranked that high.
I’m asking you since you said KD is not top 3 mainly cause of his poor playoffs. Bron had a worse showing in the 2011 finals so with your logic he should not be top 3 going into 2012. BTW Bron was top 3 regardless of his 2011 performance.
You’re the one that is using players not winning circumstantial hardware against them in top-3 player rankings. Not me. This is why I brought up Bron because obviously he was a top-3 player before he won anything. Why are using it against Luka and Jokic then? Bron made it all the way to the Finals and played at an elite level in every series prior in 2011; KD completely shyt the bed in the first round and couldn’t even help his team get over the line with all the games being winnable. There’s a difference.

And I specifically told you in my previous post that KD has an argument for being top-3, but that argument does NOT definitively rule him above every other candidate that hasn’t won a title. You seem to think his spot is fixed in when someone like Jokic has arguably been a better player over the last 2-3 years.
 

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Steph has an argument for top-3 too. There are multiple players that can be argued for those spots. This is your issue when you ran up in here not using those rocks inside your head thinking the top-3 can’t be argued which took away from the point the OP was making.

If the OP mentioned someone like Harden then I could understand someone contesting that, but he only listed players that have legitimate cases for being ranked that high.

You’re the one that is using players not winning circumstantial hardware against them in top-3 player rankings. Not me. This is why I brought up Bron because obviously he was a top-3 player before he won anything. Why are using it against Luka and Jokic then? Bron made it all the way to the Finals and played at an elite level in every series prior in 2011; KD completely shyt the bed in the first round and couldn’t even help his team get over the line with all the games being winnable. There’s a difference.

And I specifically told you in my previous post that KD has an argument for being top-3, but that argument does NOT definitively rule him above every other candidate that hasn’t won a title. You seem to think his spot is fixed in when someone like Jokic has arguably been a better player over the last 2-3 years.
OP gave his opinion on the matter and so did I. Get off the fence, who is your top 3?
 
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OP gave his opinion on the matter and so did I. Get off the fence, who is your top 3?
There are about 5-6 players in the convo, all of whom I wouldn’t contest if they’re mentioned.

The players who I think have the strongest arguments (in no particular order):

Giannis
Steph
Jokic.
 
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