for you historians out there, what was ECW's downfall?

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Why would ECW being dead make Vince more money? They weren't a competitor, and they weren't taking an audience away from WWE. Ever. ECW fans watched everything, despite the myth that they were only into ECW. ECW being around meant WWE always had access for new talent that were already semi-known on the national scene and wouldn't have to build them from the ground up.

Despite what people think, Vince was never trying to seriously put any group out of business except WCW. Even during the expansion era, he wasn't just taking top stars to be spiteful. When you go back and look, he was taking guys who had already done everything they could do and were even past their primes. He was almost never taking the top stars of various territories at the peak of their stardom there, and if he did, he compensated (most seen with Stampede).

Throughout the 90s, Vince always supported every minor company that wasn't WCW. He sent talent to USWA, SMW, and ECW regularly. In the late 90s/early 2000s, he sent talent to UPW before they were even developmental, and allowed talent to go to ROH multiple times. And today, Triple H was recently promoting EVOLVE dates on twitter.


lol.

he took plenty of top stars from those '80s promotions. and now hes trying to run everybody out of business all over again. trying to get rid of TNA, attempted to buy out the entire lucha underground roster, and last year when ROH got on destination America, he immediately tried to sign new champion jay lethal, adam cole and another one of their main stars. sound familiar? since we're on the topic of ECW/TNN, did we forget about how vince swooped in and signed tazz & the dudleyz right when ecw was debuting on TNN?

vince compensates certain promotions that he benefits from, which also allows him to keep a foot on their neck.

btw, EVOLVE is on the verge of becoming developmental.


Vince did what he could for ECW. And SMW, and USWA. And post 2001, he's done what he could for indies, even when taking their talent. Gabe has admitted WWE has given him extra compensation for taking top ROH stars back in the day.


we call that a power move.
 
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When has Vince ever tried to kill TNA? What top stars from TNA has he poached? What about the time when he lent Christian to be on their show after Christian was already back with WWE?

WWE is the biggest company in their chosen field. They're always going to take people from other place. That's how shyt works. Those other places only exist in the wake of the giant WWE, and people get into wrestling to get to WWE, not to stay wrestling in front of 140 people a night in a gym. The best talent will always find its way to WWE. That's how the entire business is structured. That's not the same thing as intentionally trying to put people out of business.
 

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When has Vince ever tried to kill TNA? What top stars from TNA has he poached? What about the time when he lent Christian to be on their show after Christian was already back with WWE?

WWE is the biggest company in their chosen field. They're always going to take people from other place. That's how shyt works. Those other places only exist in the wake of the giant WWE, and people get into wrestling to get to WWE, not to stay wrestling in front of 140 people a night in a gym. The best talent will always find its way to WWE. That's how the entire business is structured. That's not the same thing as intentionally trying to put people out of business.


TELL THE WHOLE STORY. the WWE lent Christian to TNA in exchange for TNA letting ric flair do the hall of fame.

lol @ everybody getting into wrestling to get the to WWE. stop falling for the hype. the WWE has been the only arena-regular promotion in the U.S. for just 15 years now. not 25-40. so no, that's not how the entired business is structured. this isn't the NBA or NFL.

and its funny, when wcw started plucking talent back from the wwf, vince and all his fanboys started crying foul.
its also funny how you ignored all the other stuff that I posted. I'm beginning to think that you work for the WWE.

lol. the WWE is even discouraging people from signing with TNA. I think it was a bill dermott interview where he said, if you go to TNA, youre likely not gonna get a push if you come to the WWE afterwards.
 

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Yeah because, as noted in other threads on this very board, the TNA brand is poisoned and people going there are immediately infected with that shyt for years.
 

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whats the bolded all about?

He has hepatitis (B, I think), and has kept it hidden for years even though he regularly was bleeding on people and even sharing the same blade (which he often didn't even ask to cut someone, he'd just do it). In the last few years, he was actually sued by another wrestler who contracted it from him in a match and had to pay a couple million dollars in damages for it.

http://deadspin.com/wrestler-wins-hepatitis-c-lawsuit-against-abdullah-the-1585891157

Abdullah, real name Larry Shreve, has spent more than 50 years in the industry, mostly with regional promotions but with notable stints in the NWA, and in Japan and Puerto Rico. He also has hepatitis C, and rumors have long dogged him that he's infected countless other wrestlers. (It led Superstar Billy Graham to blast the WWE for his HOF induction.) But there'd never previously been any proof, until yesterday, when Canadian wrestler Devon (Hannibal) Nicholson won a $2.1 million (USD) negligence suit against Shreve in Ontario court, successfully arguing that he contracted hepatitis C during a 2007 match.

During that match in Cochrane, Alberta, Shreve sliced them both open with the same blade. According to Nicholson, Shreve had not revealed he carried hepatitis C, which is usually treatable but can lead to cirrhosis, liver cancer, and liver failure, and is highly contagious. Nicholson says that WWE offered him a contract in 2009, but rescinded it after he tested positive for the disease. It's those lost earnings that led him to sue Shreve, although it's certain that Shreve doesn't have that kind of money. If he did, he wouldn't be, as noted, still wrestling the indy circuit into his 70s.

Nicholson was able to produce court records showing that he and Shreve carried the same rare strain of the disease, making it highly unlikely he picked it up somewhere else. Shreve's defense was that it was Nicholson who gave it to him, and when he bladed Nicholson, he was only following orders.

"Devon's the promoter," Shreve told Maclean's in 2011. "He's the one who told me what to do. I'm a professional. If somebody did not want to do nothing, then I did not do nothing to them."

But in a taped interview that same year (note the permanent blading grooves in his forehead), Shreve denied ever slicing Nicholson. "I have never cut you," he says, though the photo at the top of this article shows Shreve using a fork on Nicholson's forehead in a separate 2007 match.​
The griminess and audacity of this nikka....:laff:
 
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