Fox news guest Bashes Immigrants: At Least ‘White Supremacists are American Citizens’

[NoMayo15]

Well let's see, you believe that people who come here illegally aren't breaking the law. The poster you quoted @nyknick even did his best newspeak rendition by saying it's not "illegal," just "unlawful," and that there's a difference....even though a cursory dictionary reference will show that they mean the same thing. You believe that the people who came here illegally and have been living here for years should just be allowed to stay. No fines, no punishment, no accountability....just "hey, thanks for coming and skipping the line, enjoy America!!"

So based off this, how are you not advocating for open boarders?

I'm sympathetic to the point where I think that those who have been here illegally, either by crossing the border, or by overstaying their visas, and have been here for years and are contributing to society should be allowed to stay, but their wages should be garnished for a set amount of time - somewhere in excess of 10-15 years. The rest should be sent back immediately. Why do we make fathers pay child support? Accountability, right? So what's the problem?

What? You don't know what I believe so stop it.

Again, this is why discussions on politics have become so toxic. One side strawmans, or misrepresents the other's argument, or reframe it to be about something that it's not (i.e., providing funding & services for illegals at the expense of American soldiers).

I'm trying real hard here to give you the benefit of the doubt that you're not intentionally arguing in bad faith. But for future reference, it's really bad form to tell someone, whom you don't even know or barely spoke to, what they believe off bat.

 

[Oceanicpuppy]

How are they struggling to gain citizenship when they are just disregarding the process and skipping the line, cutting in front of those who really ARE struggling and patiently waiting for the chance to come here?

Y'all never have any arguments aside from calling people c00ns and alt-righters. Just be honest and say you support them breaking the law and that you don't believe in border integrity, let that be the starting point for debate.

Sooo Little kids should be tried as adults? This is what you’re basically saying. Children whoose parents commit crimes should be tried as adults.

Their here with conditional residency and if they meet the requirements they can apply for citizenship.
They aren’t jumping line. Children and adults who were forced by their parents as Children aren’t jumping the line.

So you believe children should NOT be protected at the very least?

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Sooo Little kids should be tried as adults? This is what you’re basically saying. Children whoose parents commit crimes should be tried as adults.

Their here with conditional residency and if they meet the requirements they can apply for citizenship.
They aren’t jumping line. Children and adults who were forced by their parents as Children aren’t jumping the line.

So you believe children should NOT be protected at the very least?

When did I talk about putting anybody in prison, let alone children? If you spurn the process and come here illegally, you are jumping the line, period. Families that are relatively recent arrivals should be sent back. Families who have been here for years should be offered a path to citizenship and they should be held monetarily responsible, and yes that should apply to the children once they start working. It would set a good precedent and let them know they are going to be held accountable in some way since they have been essentially granted amnesty. Nobody is going to respect or follow rules if the ones who are putting the rules into place aren't enforcing them. We don't need "walls," we just need to enforce the laws we already have in place.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

What? You don't know what I believe so stop it.

Again, this is why discussions on politics have become so toxic. One side strawmans, or misrepresents the other's argument, or reframe it to be about something that it's not (i.e., providing funding & services for illegals at the expense of American soldiers).

I'm trying real hard here to give you the benefit of the doubt that you're not intentionally arguing in bad faith. But for future reference, it's really bad form to tell someone, whom you don't even know or barely spoke to, what they believe off bat.

Well why don't you tell me what you believe instead of making it about me? I don't know what else to tell you. Don't tell me you don't believe in open borders when that's exactly what people here are advocating. You keep wanting to make this about me personally, but that shows that you have no argument.

Do you believe that those who cross the border illegally or those who overstay their tourist visas are breaking the law? yes or no? Do you believe they should be held accountable? yes or no?

I'm saying though, people here are actually saying that there is a difference between "illegal" and "unlawful" but I'm the one arguing in bad faith?

 

[Oceanicpuppy]

When did I talk about putting anybody in prison, let alone children? If you spurn the process and come here illegally, you are jumping the line, period. Families that are relatively recent arrivals should be sent back. Families who have been here for years should be offered a path to citizenship and they should be held monetarily responsible, and yes that should apply to the children once they start working. It would set a good precedent and let them know they are going to be held accountable in some way since they have been essentially granted amnesty. Nobody is going to respect or follow rules if the ones who are putting the rules into place aren't enforcing them. We don't need "walls," we just need to enforce the laws we already have in place.

So children should take the fault of their illegal parents forcing them into the country?

Yes or no?

 

[GetInTheTruck]

So children should take the fault of their illegal parents forcing them into the country?

Yes or no?

We'd have to define children. I'd let anyone under the age of 15 off the hook. Older than that and you gotta ante up.

 

[Oceanicpuppy]

We'd have to define children. I'd let anyone under the age of 15 off the hook. Older than that and you gotta ante up.

Ok DACA Covers children 18 and under forced by illegal parents into the country.

All Dreamers (DACA recipients) came to America under the age of 18.

So you are for Dreamers being here but not teenage children around the age of 15 -18? Some can’t legal drive or sign off as adults and are legally minors. They cant vote or legally drink or smoke? They can’t serve in the military.

 

[NoMayo15]

Well why don't you tell me what you believe instead of making it about me? I don't know what else to tell you. Don't tell me you don't believe in open borders when that's exactly what people here are advocating. You keep wanting to make this about me personally, but that shows that you have no argument.

Do you believe that those who cross the border illegally or those who overstay their tourist visas are breaking the law? yes or no? Do you believe they should be held accountable? yes or no?

I'm saying though, people here are actually saying that there is a difference between "illegal" and "unlawful" but I'm the one arguing in bad faith?

That's my entire point. You're not interested in what people actually believe, but would rather argue against an extreme position. I haven't seen anyone in here arguing for open borders, but instead are defending the DACA framework. You and I probably agree more than not, but your debate tactics are what I take umbrage with.

 

[Oceanicpuppy]

That's my entire point. You're not interested in what people actually believe, but would rather argue against an extreme position. I haven't seen anyone in here arguing for open borders, but instead are defending the DACA framework. You and I probably agree more than not, but your debate tactics are what I take umbrage with.

Yeah I think people against it don’t really understand Dreamers/ illegal immigrantion / Open borders/ chain immigration / diversity lottery visas are not the same issues and should not be used interchangeably.

The rebuplicans he is standing with want to rework legal immigration and chain immigration. He being an First generation American born Indian - American will definitely be effected because. Chinese, Koreans, Indians and Mexicans benefit greatly from chain immigration and the diversity lottery.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Ok DACA Covers children 18 and under forced by illegal parents into the country.

All Dreamers (DACA recipients) came to America under the age of 18.

So you are for Dreamers being here but not teenage children around the age of 15 -18? Some can’t legal drive or sign off as adults and are legally minors. They cant vote or legally drink or smoke? They can’t serve in the military.

I am giving you what I think a general framework would look like. There needs to be a balance between outright amnesty and kicking every single one of them out of the country. But that balance should include penalties and accountability for those families ultimately allowed to stay, not necessarily having to do with daca. I'm curious about what you think this balance should look like? Who would you allow to stay and who would you send back?

 

[Oceanicpuppy]

I am giving you what I think a general framework would look like. There needs to be a balance between outright amnesty and kicking every single one of them out of the country. But that balance should include penalties and accountability for those families ultimately allowed to stay, not necessarily having to do with daca. I'm curious about what you think this balance should look like? Who would you allow to stay and who would you send back?

All Dreamers of course.

Parents of Dreamers should have to pay a heavy fine though. That’s just child endangerment.

Educational programs for people outside the US trying to immigrate to the United States. A lot of people just don’t understand the place there trying to immigrate or illegally immigrate to. Them not understanding that the American Dream is not what they think it is and how to get it is harder than what it seems is another problem.

People would make smarter choices when they know what they are up against but many are uneducated on the process in general.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

You the #knickstape breh and all but you been acting real #trumpset with your posts on HL

@radio rahiem

No he's always been like this.

He kept his schtick isolated to pakistan v india, muslim v hindu threads. Only recently has he expanded to this "I'm american. Protect our borders!" stance.