Free heroin, cocaine and meth will be handed out in Vancouver (VIDEO)

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

We are discussing drug use and crime.. in which San Francisco has opened multiple centers over the years.. the crime and drug use has gone up... what are you arguing in here ?

Centres were opened because the use and overdose rates went up. The centered didn't drive the rates of usage and they don't supply. They watch people to catch overdoses.

Drug overdoses went up everywhere during covid lockdowns not just San Fran.

You are being purposely obtuse and falsely reinterpreting the info.

 

[Kasgoinjail]

No free weed

 

[bnew]

because you are just typing to type at this point... in reality if a junkie is on the other side of town away from one of those centers they still gone get they fix.. but now they can get their fix on both sides of town.. one from the city and one from the other side of town.. this doesnt help them get clean, it just enables to stay high longer and thats where the crime and drug has risen.. people scammed the PPP / SBA / EDD to get what ? Buy drugs to sell to who ? The people in these centers it solved nothing, only enabled them to get free needles to shoot up outside Dior or Saks 5th a few blocks away You are so focused on these centers.. but San Francisco is "open drug use" city wide.. as in YOU can shoot up illegal heroin infront of a cop, and they wont arrest or even look at you. This can be down by the malls, a restaurant, a high rise apartment or in a center... but guess where they mostly do it at ? Again, you dont live this shyt, you just a sheltered liberal p*ssy

this is why you can't address the drug crisis in a half-assed way. give the drugs for free and offer treatment to those ready to receive help. remove the profit motive! they don't need to be in the streets strung-out either.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

Centres were opened because the use and overdose rates went up. The centered didn't drive the rates of usage and they don't supply. They watch people to catch overdoses.

Drug overdoses went up everywhere during covid lockdowns not just San Fran.

You are being purposely obtuse and falsely reinterpreting the info.

The NPR and even the abc local story that was trying to smear the center painted out pretty well why they exist and abc local smear story gives up the game that it’s opening showed and immediate cut down on overdoses.

The NPR story went deeper into detail about how having the ability to put the homeless addicts in same kind of housing would greatly help as well. That ties back into our conversation. Once again Americans struggle putting the puzzle pieces together

 

[itsyoung!!]

Why does this story written 6 days ago state that cops are arresting people for drugs in tenderloin. What are you talking about?

because of the state of emergency explained multiple times in here because the original programs failed for past few years aka , they fukked up doing what Vancouver is trying to do, and now trying to fix it, but its too late

The city isn’t buying people drugs so I still don’t understand what ur complaint here is?

the city does supply the needles and multiple places to use the drugs though and also no jail time, even has billboards throughout the city that encourage people to do drugs with friends so they dont overdose alone

If you want a crime bill that arrests everyone just say that but you don’t have to lie about what’s going on in order to push what’s biases you have

this is something new and its already ineffective. I work in the tenderloin. Matter of fact ill be there tonight. Ill take a picture of how failed of a project this was if you want

 

[itsyoung!!]

im not even sure what people are arguing here ? San Francisco and Seattle have an increasing drug issue on its streets.. this isnt even arguable... they also offer programs that Vancouver is proposing in the original post.. we are saying that those programs didnt do anything for San Francisco and Seattle.. my mind is blown at the responses in here

 

[bnew]

Since the real life experiences we are sharing just arent official enough, here are news reports, literal crime reports, video, etc


To be clear, they already weren’t, but they made it official in febraury 2021

aug 21

https://www.king5.com/article/news/...gton/281-d2d52708-5ca2-4140-a96b-a221d6dea1d8
There have been more than 200 fatal overdoses in King County so far this year. There were 34 in July alone.
The deaths have already surpassed what King County saw in all of last year when there were 172.
The state is seeing a similar spike in fatal overdoses.
“In terms of trends of who is using, I would say the trend is everybody, the trend is there is no trend,” said Noble, who is an addiction treatment and prevention supervisor with Youth Eastside Services.​

FYE21

‘They are destroying the fabric of our neighborhood’: Seattle crime spikes, mayor pledges fix
Numbers from SPD show that in 2021 compared to 2020:

• Property crime increased 9%.
• Shootings and shots fired increased 40%, an all-time high for Seattle.
• Violent crime overall is up 20%; robberies and aggravated assaults are up, while homicide and rape are down.

The full crime report
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jan 22

https://www.king5.com/article/news/...unty/281-b5ff5665-c45b-49bb-a9af-116cf484d66c
It's all kinds of drugs being lit up on the bus. Lighting up on the bus is becoming a problem from bus zones, to bus zones, and there's nothing we can do about it," Price said.

Data provided by King County Metro shows a sharp rise in illicit drug use that was formally reported by transit operators, with 44 reported in 2019, 73 reported in 2020, and 398 reported in 2021.​

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something tells me this won’t be sufficient and the goal posts will change shape (not even move lol)

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thats why I propose the government build and manage compounds so that addicts can consume drugs out of sight of the public. they shouldn't be half-assing solutions.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

im not even sure what people are arguing here ? San Francisco and Seattle have an increasing drug issue on its streets.. this isnt even arguable... they also offer programs that Vancouver is proposing in the original post.. we are saying that those programs didnt do anything for San Francisco and Seattle.. my mind is blown at the responses in here

San Fran and Seattle are offering drugs to their citizens? I didn’t see that in any of those stories

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

thats why I propose the government build and manage compounds so that addicts can consume drugs out of sight of the public. they shouldn't be half-assing solutions.

But then the “why does my tax dollars go towards this” complaints come from the same crowd. I think the only thing that would actually make them happy is if we legitimately just started rounding these people and killing them.

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

85% of San Francisco's drug arrests happen in the Tenderloin. Police explain why | abc7news.com

Why does this story written 6 days ago state that cops are arresting people for drugs in tenderloin. What are you talking about? The city isn’t buying people drugs so I still don’t understand what ur complaint here is?

If you want a crime bill that arrests everyone just say that but you don’t have to lie about what’s going on in order to push what’s biases you have

im not even sure what people are arguing here ? San Francisco and Seattle have an increasing drug issue on its streets.. this isnt even arguable... they also offer programs that Vancouver is proposing in the original post.. we are saying that those programs didnt do anything for San Francisco and Seattle.. my mind is blown at the responses in here

Vancouver pioneered those programs decades ago before you ever heard of them they were studied for many years before they were even implemented in other cities in Canada. Or places like San Fran.

You tried to link safe injection sites with increased drug use and criminal activity. Then ask why are we arguing? Because you in here lying to make a point. Why do people feel the need to lie in conversations here? If your points had merit they would stand on their own. Instead you need to embellish.

You are saying those places didn't do anything. Studies over a decade long said otherwise. The goal is only to prevent overdose deaths. Nothing else you purport is happening.

 

[itsyoung!!]

San Fran and Seattle are offering drugs to their citizens? I didn’t see that in any of those stories

If you snort some coke does it matter if it came from the local government or from a dealer if its legal to use either way ? its still going in your body, legally, yes ?

 

[bnew]

But then the “why does my tax dollars go towards this” complaints come from the same crowd. I think the only thing that would actually make them happy is if we legitimately just started rounding these people and killing them.

and the thing is it actually costs significantly less immediately than the policy they want to continue.

the policy they advocate for will continue to costs tax payers more and more every year while criminals profit because decades of data shows us thats exactly whats been happening.

 

[itsyoung!!]

You tried to like safe injection sites with increased drug use and criminal activity.

I said no such thing.. I said they exist.. only because another poster was saying to post proof of San Francisco having any programs similar to this.. so I posted articles showing they exist...

I said the legal use of drugs is why the spike in drug use... and that programs like this are useless (they are) and that giving junkies any kind of help to get their fix is not generally a good idea because cities like San Francisco and Seattle show proof that if you aid a junkie get a fix (rather its free needles and "safe" places to do drugs, or just out right giving them drugs) only destroys cities and not help them.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

If you snort some coke does it matter if it came from the local government or from a dealer if its legal to use either way ? its still going in your body, legally, yes ?

Ummmm yes that matters

 

[itsyoung!!]

Nothing else you purport is happening.

So San Francisco doesnt have a crazy drug problem ?