African Peasant
Veteran
Macron will try to have a big coalition in the center, like in Germany. He might do it with some people from LR. Basically , people who voted Juppe in the primaries.
French 2017 Presidential Election - (MACRON WINS)
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Macron will try to have a big coalition in the center, like in Germany. He might do it with some people from LR. Basically , people who voted Juppe in the primaries.
DynamoEAR
All Star
That'll do it.
mbewane
Knicks: 93 til infinity
Mélenchon asks supporters if they will back Macron
Veteran left-winger was the only leading candidate not to tell his supporters to back centrist rival.
By QUENTIN ARIÈS
4/25/17, 7:29 PM CET
French leftist Jean-Luc Mélenchon on Tuesday launched a consultation asking his supporters if they plan to vote for Emmanuel Macron in the second and final round of the presidential election on May 7.
Mélenchon was the only one of the main candidates not to tell his backers to choose Macron rather than the far-right’s Marine Le Pen after the first round of voting on Sunday.
According to the consultation, sent to 450,000 registered supporters of Mélenchon’s “France Untamed” movement, “None of us will vote for the far-right. But does it mean we need to give voting advice?”
They are then given three options: Vote for Macron, spoil the ballot paper or abstain.
His supporters have until May 2 to make their choice, with the results available online on the same day.
On the campaign trail, Mélenchon was a vocal critic of Macron, the centrist candidate and former banker, and that has continued since the vote, with the veteran left-winger saying he “will oppose the far-right candidate and the candidate of extreme-finance.”
According to a IFOP survey, 48 percent of Mélenchon voters will vote for Macron, 33 percent will abstain and 19 percent will back Le Pen.
Mélenchon asks supporters if they will back Macron
Veteran left-winger was the only leading candidate not to tell his supporters to back centrist rival.
By QUENTIN ARIÈS
4/25/17, 7:29 PM CET
French leftist Jean-Luc Mélenchon on Tuesday launched a consultation asking his supporters if they plan to vote for Emmanuel Macron in the second and final round of the presidential election on May 7.
Mélenchon was the only one of the main candidates not to tell his backers to choose Macron rather than the far-right’s Marine Le Pen after the first round of voting on Sunday.
According to the consultation, sent to 450,000 registered supporters of Mélenchon’s “France Untamed” movement, “None of us will vote for the far-right. But does it mean we need to give voting advice?”
They are then given three options: Vote for Macron, spoil the ballot paper or abstain.
His supporters have until May 2 to make their choice, with the results available online on the same day.
On the campaign trail, Mélenchon was a vocal critic of Macron, the centrist candidate and former banker, and that has continued since the vote, with the veteran left-winger saying he “will oppose the far-right candidate and the candidate of extreme-finance.”
According to a IFOP survey, 48 percent of Mélenchon voters will vote for Macron, 33 percent will abstain and 19 percent will back Le Pen.
Mélenchon asks supporters if they will back Macron
Don't get me wrong, I get the reasons of your worries, I just don't understand why that after looking at the numbers, people are still that scared. I can understand to stay level headed to avoid over confidence, but it's feel like the current fear is irrational imo. The numbers make it impossible for Le Pen.
And when I say taboo, I'm not saying people vote for them scared of repercussions. I'm saying that the taboo comes from the realization of what it could be if they had free reigns. There's a reason why every political leaders call to vote against them. Even Dupont-Aignan still haven't say anything because polls say his voters will vote (at a thin majority) for Macron. I've known a couple of people that have already voted for Le Pen in past elections so I definitely feel what you mean when you say that people consider it more "normal" than what it was. But those individuals are not the majority which still think it's bad to do so. I mean on every polls since the start of this election Le Pen was getting smashed in the second round by Hamon, Meluche, Fillon et Macron. That has to mean something.
Finally, should we trust the polls ? They haven't failed us thus far :
Liste de sondages sur l'élection présidentielle française de 2017 — Wikipédia.
Le Pen is between 30 and 34 currently. 34 is around 12.5M. And the polls thus far give more second hand votes for Macron from every candidates Fillon included. The closest she ever was to win (she was still losing) was some polls against... Fillon ! Interestingly enough, only candidate that was winning every configurations was Macron. So you have in the second round, the candidate who was winning against everybody against the candidate who was losing against everybody.
I don't know breh. Trust us Frenchies a bit
To be frank, Melenchon was still too far as he needed to avoid facing Macron. With Macron winning the 1st, even if Mélenchon had beaten Le Pen he would have lost in the 2nd round.Melenchon was just a few points offfukkin Hamon splitting the vote
thatrapsfan
Superstar
According to the consultation, sent to 450,000 registered supporters of Mélenchon’s “France Untamed” movement, “None of us will vote for the far-right. But does it mean we need to give voting advice?”
Leading question
They are then given three options: Vote for Macron, spoil the ballot paper or abstain.
JLM is a troll. With that framing and these options, we already know what the results of this consultation will be.
Leading question
They are then given three options: Vote for Macron, spoil the ballot paper or abstain.
JLM is a troll. With that framing and these options, we already know what the results of this consultation will be.
thatrapsfan
Superstar
Présidentielle : pourquoi Marine Le Pen fait une percée en outre-mer
MLP won the overseas vote overall
Article claims result was because of: locally relevant rhetoric about immigration, frustration at EU's impact on cost of living in the territories, and record abstentions.
MLP won the overseas vote overall
Article claims result was because of: locally relevant rhetoric about immigration, frustration at EU's impact on cost of living in the territories, and record abstentions.
mbewane
Knicks: 93 til infinity
Don't get me wrong, I get the reasons of your worries, I just don't understand why that after looking at the numbers, people are still that scared. I can understand to stay level headed to avoid over confidence, but it's feel like the current fear is irrational imo. The numbers make it impossible for Le Pen.
And when I say taboo, I'm not saying people vote for them scared of repercussions. I'm saying that the taboo comes from the realization of what it could be if they had free reigns. There's a reason why every political leaders call to vote against them. Even Dupont-Aignan still haven't say anything because polls say his voters will vote (at a thin majority) for Macron. I've known a couple of people that have already voted for Le Pen in past elections so I definitely feel what you mean when you say that people consider it more "normal" than what it was. But those individuals are not the majority which still think it's bad to do so. I mean on every polls since the start of this election Le Pen was getting smashed in the second round by Hamon, Meluche, Fillon et Macron. That has to mean something.
Finally, should we trust the polls ? They haven't failed us thus far :
Liste de sondages sur l'élection présidentielle française de 2017 — Wikipédia.
Le Pen is between 30 and 34 currently. 34 is around 12.5M. And the polls thus far give more second hand votes for Macron from every candidates Fillon included. The closest she ever was to win (she was still losing) was some polls against... Fillon ! Interestingly enough, only candidate that was winning every configurations was Macron. So you have in the second round, the candidate who was winning against everybody against the candidate who was losing against everybody.
I don't know breh. Trust us Frenchies a bit
Haha no doubt breh, all in all I've lived 10 years in France (going on my 6th year in Paris right now, earlier sting in Amiens and Lille) and I consider myself a "Français du coeur", so it's all good
Like I said I really hope you're right and I'm wrong. But just an example, this evening a friend of mine told me that out of 10 of her friends she spoke to who identify on the Left, only 2 will go vote (for Macron). I'm not so much afraid of people voting for Le Pen (she'll get some votes from LR), but rather of people not voting at all, which will benefit her because she has a stable voting base as opposed to Macron (his voters might get too comfortable).
I have to say this though, to be totally honest : all of what I'm saying is based on what people tell me/what I see online (facebook/twitter) so it's a limited sample. But tbh when I see an article on the elections and teh first guy who comments "I'm not gonna vote, fukk Macron" gets 653 likes, I'm like damn, this might end up being much closer than it should be. People saying "They're both fascists", etc.
And I also hope Macron's team is picking up on all this discontent and will adapt his approach before the 2nd round, and that he doesn't say/do anything il-advised. That one dude who was on the set on sunday evening speaking with Cécile Duflot came off quite arrogant for example. I think an added point is that Chirac in 2002 was established and respected (even somewhat liked, the whole "Super-menteur" thing with Les Guignols that actually got him sympathy, seen as a "regular guy", what he said when he went to Israël...despite "les bruits et les odeurs") even by some people on the Left, as a "state man". Macron quite the contrary.
Of course all of this is conjecture, and again I hope I'm wrong and you're right, of course.
88m3
Fast Money & Foreign Objects
88m3
Fast Money & Foreign Objects
