the cac mamba
Veteran
we're on the internetLook at your face, straight panic mode now.
From a purely logical perspective how does Jesus being God even make sense?
- Thread starter Turk
- Start date
null
...
OP with the "how can one person have two personalities" questions 
i am not religious but the concept is simple.
1. take 1 person 1 personality 1 body
2. take 1 person n personalities 1 body
3. take 1 person n personalities n bodies
4. take n persons n personalities n bodies
we already have seen 1, 2, 4 .. 3 is just a remix of that.
whether it is true or not is another matter.
all it takes is the belief that the being and the personhood are not 1-2-1.
i am not religious but the concept is simple.
1. take 1 person 1 personality 1 body
2. take 1 person n personalities 1 body
3. take 1 person n personalities n bodies
4. take n persons n personalities n bodies
we already have seen 1, 2, 4 .. 3 is just a remix of that.
whether it is true or not is another matter.
all it takes is the belief that the being and the personhood are not 1-2-1.
TheKongoEmpire
The First Men
Man, these cacs really did a number of black folks and got away, Scot-free. Some of you kneegrows would really allow your ancestors to be slaves if it meant you could still be a Christian. Mission accomplished.
null
...
null
...
some people just need other people to tell them what to believe.
even if they are their cultural enemies.
"african religions bad and evil. christianity good."
be centuries late brehs
and be stuck on gringo religions ... , breh?
Christianity is black
Read more learn more
null
...
The way i interpret, God is within all of us and all around us. Jesus is the son of God but we are all the "children of God". So it's kinda like God would be the sum of all consciousness and all of science, physics, absolute truths, etc. which is why as humans we cannot "see" God because it would be like staring at everything that exists, has existed, will exist and accessing the sum of all lifeforms' consciousness throughout the universe. It's impossible and our brains probably wouldn't be able to process all that data. But our beings are part of it so when you pray, yes in a way you are partially praying to yourself.
I think Jesus in the Bible understood these concepts on some level based on the level of knowledge at the time and he was trying to break it down to his contemporaries but in a way they would understand (by using metaphors, parables, etc.).;
This is just my theory of how to make it all logical. I'm not saying I'm right or that Jesus existed for sure exactly as described in the bible. Just trying to make logical sense of the story if the bible.
I think Jesus in the Bible understood these concepts on some level based on the level of knowledge at the time and he was trying to break it down to his contemporaries but in a way they would understand (by using metaphors, parables, etc.).;
This is just my theory of how to make it all logical. I'm not saying I'm right or that Jesus existed for sure exactly as described in the bible. Just trying to make logical sense of the story if the bible.
When I first learned of the Bible as a kid, I always interpreted that Jesus was like the manager, the one you deal with on a day to say basis, and God was the CEO who held the company (heaven) together. Kinda like an egg (Jesus) in a basket (God). Another thing is that I realized a long my journey is that at some point I started praying towards the God of ALL living, not just the god of the Jeshurun. I felt that somewhere deep down you couldn't restrict the force of the one true God in a book, nor did I believe that such a God would could be jealous or even male.
I eventually got away from that, but for some time I'm just now realizing my early interpretation was pure and good enough.
So, I feel that Jesus is awesome, he's my brother, he's my king, he's my comforter, and he was trying to teach people how to love one another. Jesus deserves all the flowers. And I feel that God is the all encompassing life force that exists within our space and outside of it, and down to the very unseen things like protons and atoms. And that's what makes God beautiful to me, because you can see that power all throughout the natural world. Such beautiful, intelligent design. Even the scary things have purpose, even the destructive things have purpose.
I eventually got away from that, but for some time I'm just now realizing my early interpretation was pure and good enough.
So, I feel that Jesus is awesome, he's my brother, he's my king, he's my comforter, and he was trying to teach people how to love one another. Jesus deserves all the flowers. And I feel that God is the all encompassing life force that exists within our space and outside of it, and down to the very unseen things like protons and atoms. And that's what makes God beautiful to me, because you can see that power all throughout the natural world. Such beautiful, intelligent design. Even the scary things have purpose, even the destructive things have purpose.
some people just need other people to tell them what to believe.
even if they are their cultural enemies.
"african religions bad and evil. christianity good."
traditional african religions are the wave, huh?...these the same religions where ancient practitioners venerated warrior "gods", but couldn't keep the european from subjugating them on their own land?...advocates tout these religions as the pinnacle of spiritual enlightenment and empowerment, but shyt not adding up...
Acts 8:27-39:
"27 And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,
28 Was returning, and sitting in his chariot [he] read Esaias [Isaiah] the prophet.
29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.
30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?
31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
32 The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:
33 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.
34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?
35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, [the eunuch said] I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing."
arguments are always presented on here to try to discredit ethiopia when discussing the early adoption of christianity in africa, but what's always conveniently absent from the argument is the fact that ethiopia is the only country on the continent to never have been colonized by the European. the earliest manuscripts from the Book of Acts, where the above verses come from, are dated to around 200-250 AD, but its commonly accepted by scholars that it was originally written between 80-90 AD...
whether you're conservative with its dating or not, it was written at least a century before king ezana of the aksumite empire embraced christianity and made it the national religion...
the position of the eunuch mentioned in Acts was that of a treasurer and high ranking official within the ethiopian royal court who eagerly and willingly choose Christ. the fact that he was a public official with status and influence meant that recognition and reverence for scripture was not something relegated to the poor and ignorant, it was embraced by the wealthy and educated as well...
interesting that the only nation in africa to maintain it's independence was also the first nation on the continent to willingly adopt christianity...
TheKongoEmpire
The First Men
What does any of this have to do with plight of the descendants of the trans-Atlantic slave trade? we're being punished for not accepting a foreign? that's how your deity works? why didn't the Bible take place in Kenya? Why isn't Yeshua Ethiopian?traditional african religions are the wave, huh?...these the same religions where ancient practitioners venerated warrior "gods", but couldn't keep the european from subjugating them on their own land?...advocates tout these religions as the pinnacle of spiritual enlightenment and empowerment, but shyt not adding up...
Acts 8:27-39:
"27 And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,
28 Was returning, and sitting in his chariot [he] read Esaias [Isaiah] the prophet.
29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.
30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?
31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
32 The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:
33 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.
34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?
35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, [the eunuch said] I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing."
arguments are always presented on here to try to discredit ethiopia when discussing the early adoption of christianity in africa, but what's always conveniently absent from the argument is the fact that ethiopia is the only country on the continent to never have been colonized by the European. the earliest manuscripts from the Book of Acts, where the above verses come from, are dated to around 200-250 AD, but its commonly accepted by scholars that it was originally written between 80-90 AD...
whether you're conservative with its dating or not, it was written at least a century before king ezana of the aksumite empire embraced christianity and made it the national religion...
the position of the eunuch mentioned in Acts was that of a treasurer and high ranking official within the ethiopian royal court who eagerly and willingly choose Christ. the fact that he was a public official with status and influence meant that recognition and reverence for scripture was not something relegated to the poor and ignorant, it was embraced by the wealthy and educated as well...
interesting that the only nation in africa to maintain it's independence was also the first nation on the continent to willingly adopt christianity...
The Realist Perspective
Superstar
The old testament and new testament don't link up at all.
Supposedly the new testament is supposed to have a foundation in the old testament but nothing about Jesus nor any of his promises, or purpose, or even existence is mentioned anywhere in the old testament.
People stay in the new testament, and talk about Jesus Jesus Jesus but who exactly is this Jesus? Yahweh nor Abraham, Isaac, nor Israel spoke of him.
Neither did Moses.
Neither did David.
Neither did Solomon.
Not once is he mentioned, or his supposed deeds mentioned in the old testament.
So you then have to think, who is this Jesus, really?
Could it really be the devil? Because now, people worship this Jesus, when Yahweh said not to put any other gods before me.
Who is this Jesus that says, you must go through me to get to the father.
Is that why none of your prayers are answered? Why african americans are the most religious, Jesus Jesus Jesus, yet are the most down bad after all these years?
Curious.
Supposedly the new testament is supposed to have a foundation in the old testament but nothing about Jesus nor any of his promises, or purpose, or even existence is mentioned anywhere in the old testament.
People stay in the new testament, and talk about Jesus Jesus Jesus but who exactly is this Jesus? Yahweh nor Abraham, Isaac, nor Israel spoke of him.
Neither did Moses.
Neither did David.
Neither did Solomon.
Not once is he mentioned, or his supposed deeds mentioned in the old testament.
So you then have to think, who is this Jesus, really?
Could it really be the devil? Because now, people worship this Jesus, when Yahweh said not to put any other gods before me.
Who is this Jesus that says, you must go through me to get to the father.
Is that why none of your prayers are answered? Why african americans are the most religious, Jesus Jesus Jesus, yet are the most down bad after all these years?
Curious.
