From a purely logical perspective how does Jesus being God even make sense?

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That's all it is. Whether he was mentioned or not is up for debate, since there are people who do believe he was and they use scripture to substantiate their claims. I don't care too much, I would just think Israelites/Jews would be grateful that Jesus awarded them grace from Yaweh since they're always getting on his bad side lol.

If they are answered then how could their god be useless? There are countless gods that exist in this world and they all perform miracles for the ones that worship them. Even Yaweh recognized this with his first commandment. I'm not an Israelite, so I'm not under a covenant, but I like Jesus's message and I feel that he's a great representation of how to walk in this world.
Jews and Israelites are separate people, but can be the same.

The Spirit of YWH has a different meaning and purpose. This is a war deity, the deity of war. That is the characteristic of YWH, thus the name shall now be spoken.
 

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Jews and Israelites are separate people, but can be the same.

The Spirit of YWH has a different meaning and purpose. This is a war deity, the deity of war. That is the characteristic of YWH, thus the name shall now be spoken.

Ah okay, thank you for letting me know. I've read up about Yaweh and his personality and I agree that he is a war deity.
 

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I swear I don't ever remember Jesus saying he was th son of God or he had any power at all. Everything was due to his father in heaven.

But what do I know
 

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People say a lot of things but what is actually scripture? People cannot point to a single scripture in the NT that mentions anything about Jesus.
According to the OT, the Israelites were scattered, and that was it, end of story, according to the bible. Yahweh threatened over and over that he was going to do that if they don't act right, they never did, therefore he scattered them and abandoned them.
Did you know the last human that ywhw spoke directly to was Solomon? No one else can say they spoke directly to god, because the bible literally does not say otherwise and he has abandoned "his people" as he said he would.
Yhwh literally made a promise to Solomon that he won't scatter the Israelites until Solomon dies.
Imagine that, after that, there are no explicit recordings of god speaking with anyone directly. It's always through these "prophets" or "seers." Curious.
Again, nothing provided in the bible that we all have that says the so called Israelites today are still accompanied by their god.
Nothing provided in the OT substantiates a Jesus, or anything that he has proclaimed to come to do.

If I were you, I would not like Jesus, as he views people like us, gentiles, as dogs, worthy of only scraps from the children (of Israel). He was a bigoted fakkit.

Matthew 15:21-28 (also Mark 7:24-30):
“It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.” (Matthew 15:26)
Read the whole thing if you think I am lying, I actually implore people to actually read the bible.
It's not for us, anyone who is not an "Israelite." It's filled with Israelite superiority propaganda.

That's why we see what is happening in Gaza right now. The so called "Israelite" is fueled by this supremacy doctrine.
I wish everyone, especially black people, would wake up to this.

Abraham hailed from modern day Iraq, no where in Africa, not an African. This stuff is not for us.

I think you got that first part mixed up, because Jesus is in the new testament. But I'm saying that others have interpreted that he's also in the old testament.

I read the text and I agree, he didn't care for gentiles, but he also praised gentiles when they showed great faith. He was a Jew after all, so his first priority was his own people. Still, he commanded his disciples to go to all nations and baptize all who come to him (or something like that). I guess the real world equivalent I can find of that is how you know people can be caring and helpful, but they only go above and beyond for family members or close friends. That's how I read it.

I like the Bible, it's an interesting book with an interesting history. The first half is clearly for a specific lineage of people and that's okay, I respect others cultures and history. The second half is still for a specific lineage, but also leans towards including others. Nonetheless, Jesus had some great teachings and I respect that. He was only looking out for his people, but still had compassion for others. I'm sure it was a shock to him to learn that even gentiles found him deserving of praise.

I know where Abraham comes from. I've read a moderate amount about Sumerian, Babylon, and even Africans sojournered there. Nimrod is biblically African and had a kingdom in Mesopotamia. The area known as Iran or Iraq has always had people from various places traveling there. It was their version of our America, various people's from all over.

But as I said, I'm not an Israelite lol I'm under no obligation like they are to their god, and I like Jesus and his teachings. I'm sorry, but you don't have to pity me for that nor look down upon me for that. I'd appreciate it if you didn't, but at the end of the day I'm not going to try to change your perception.
 

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That's interesting, since back in the days of the Dalai Lama. Thee belief that Jesus is God is central to Christian theology and doctrine. For centuries, Christians have upheld the divinity of Jesus Christ as an essential tenet of faith. This conviction is supported by the Bible, early church tradition, theological reasoning, and personal experience. Understanding why Jesus is considered God requires exploring the scriptural basis, historical affirmations, and the implications of this belief on faith and practice. The New Testament presents numerous passages that affirm Jesus as God. Central to this claim are the writings of the apostles and the Gospel accounts, which describe Jesus’ life, teachings, and actions. Jesus makes explicit claims to divinity in several passages. For example, in John 10:30, He declares, “I and the Father are one.” This statement was understood by His contemporaries as a claim to equality with God, as evidenced by the reaction of the Jewish leaders who accused Him of blasphemy. Additionally, in John 8:58, Jesus states, “Before Abraham was born, I am,” invoking the divine name “I AM” (Yahweh) revealed to Moses in Exodus 3:14. The titles attributed to Jesus also point to His divine nature. He is called “Immanuel,” meaning “God with us” (Matthew 1:23), and “the Word” who “was with God and was God” (John 1:1). In Revelation, He is described as “the Alpha and the Omega” (Revelation 22:13), a title reserved for God, signifying His eternal nature. Jesus performed miracles that demonstrated authority over nature, disease, death, and spiritual forces. For instance, He calmed the storm (Mark 4:39), healed the sick (Mark 2:1-12), raised the dead (John 11:43-44), and forgave sins (Luke 5:20-21). The ability to forgive sins, in particular, is significant because it was understood to be a prerogative of God alone. The resurrection of Jesus is the cornerstone of His divinity. Paul asserts in Romans 1:4 that Jesus was “declared to be the Son of God in power…by His resurrection from the dead.” The resurrection is seen as divine validation of His claims and the ultimate proof of His identity as God. The belief in Jesus’ divinity was not a later development but was affirmed by the early church. The apostles and early Christians worshiped Jesus as God, a practice that would have been considered blasphemous within a strictly monotheistic Jewish framework unless they were convinced of its truth. The Nicene Creed, formulated in AD 325, explicitly declares Jesus as “God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, of one being with the Father.” This creed reflects the church’s understanding of Jesus’ divinity based on apostolic teaching and Scripture. Early church fathers like Ignatius of Antioch, Justin Martyr, and Irenaeus consistently affirmed the divinity of Jesus. Ignatius, writing in the early second century, referred to Jesus Christ as “our God” in his letters to the churches. Many early Christians faced persecution and death for their belief in Jesus as God. Their willingness to die for this faith underscores their conviction in its truth and importance. Christian theology provides a framework for understanding how Jesus can be both fully God and fully man, a concept known as the hypostatic union. This doctrine asserts that in the person of Jesus, two natures—divine and human—exist in perfect unity without confusion or separation. The incarnation, where God took on human flesh, is seen as the ultimate self-revelation of God to humanity. As stated in Colossians 2:9, “In Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form.” This means that Jesus is the visible image of the invisible God (Colossians 1:15), making Him the definitive way to know God. Only God can provide the perfect atonement for sin, a role fulfilled by Jesus. His divine nature ensures the sufficiency of His sacrifice, while His human nature allows Him to represent humanity. As Hebrews 9:14 explains, Christ offered Himself “through the eternal Spirit” as a perfect sacrifice to cleanse humanity from sin. Jesus’ divinity is also affirmed within the context of the Trinity. The doctrine of the Trinity holds that God is one in essence but exists in three persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Jesus is the second person of the Trinity, co-equal and co-eternal with the Father and the Spirit. This relational dynamic is evident in passages like Matthew 28:19, where Jesus commands His disciples to baptize “in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.” the belief in Jesus as God is not merely an abstract theological concept but has profound implications for individual faith and daily living. Recognizing Jesus as God leads to worship and adoration. Christians believe that Jesus is worthy of the same honor and devotion as the Father. This is exemplified in Revelation 5:12-13, where all creation praises the Lamb (Jesus) alongside God the Father. Through Jesus, believers have access to a personal relationship with God. As the mediator between God and humanity (1 Timothy 2:5), Jesus enables reconciliation and intimacy with the divine. Jesus’ divinity assures believers of His power to transform lives and provide eternal hope. His victory over sin and death through the resurrection guarantees the promise of eternal life for those who trust in Him (John 11:25-26). As God incarnate, Jesus provides the ultimate example of how to live. His teachings and actions serve as a model for love, humility, and service, calling His followers to emulate His character. While the belief in Jesus as God is foundational to Christianity, it has faced challenges both historically and in modern times. Critics argue that the concept is inconsistent with monotheism or that it lacks sufficient evidence. However, Christians respond by emphasizing the coherence of the doctrine of the Trinity, the reliability of scriptural testimony, and the transformative impact of Jesus’ divinity on individuals and societies. The belief that Jesus is God is rooted in Scripture, affirmed by the early church, and supported by theological reasoning. It reveals the depth of God’s love in reaching out to humanity through the incarnation and provides a foundation for worship, salvation, and ethical living. Understanding Jesus as God is central to grasping the Christian message and experiencing the transformative power of His life, death, and resurrection.
 

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give me 3 dates.

1. when genesis happened.

2. when matthew happened.

3. when eth adopted christianity.

then explain the significance of that.

give me the reason why you're asking me to go thru this exercise...

not only NOT interesting but also wrong.

ethiopia was not colonised but did not remain independent. it was conquered and occupied when the italians returned during WWII

(maybe god was asleep during WWII? maybe the pope put in a special word).

liberia was never colonised nor occupied.

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i haven't got time to read PAGES .. summarise your points or they will be ignored.


no, its not wrong...maybe you should brush up on history before speaking out of your ass...

Per ChatGPT:

In Africa, two countries are often considered to have never been formally colonized by European powers:

  1. Ethiopia
    • Ethiopia successfully resisted colonization during the late 19th and early 20th centuries. The most notable event was the Battle of Adwa (1896), where Ethiopian forces, under Emperor Menelik II, defeated the Italian army, ensuring Ethiopia's independence. Although Italy briefly occupied Ethiopia from 1936 to 1941 during Mussolini's regime, this was considered a military occupation rather than colonization.
Ethiopia's occupation was a military one - they didn't lose their independence, they fought to maintain it.
  1. Liberia
    • Liberia was established in 1821 by the American Colonization Society as a settlement for freed African Americans. It declared its independence in 1847 and functioned as a republic governed by these settlers (referred to as Americo-Liberians). Although it had ties to the United States, it was never formally colonized by a European power.
Liberia is not a traditional African nation. While the land was occupied by various indigenous tribes prior to the ACS establishing the nation state of Liberia, it was never a formal nation state prior to 1821.

my point still stands...Ethiopia is the only nation in Africa to maintain it's independence and is the first nation in Africa to adopt Christianity...facts don't give a fukk about your feelings...

I haven't got time to read UNEDUCATED takes...exercise intelligence and critical thought or you will be ignored...
 

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What does any of this have to do with plight of the descendants of the trans-Atlantic slave trade?

it might not have been you, but I've seen brehs on here denigrate other brehs for following christianity, while propping up traditional African religions. If traditional African religions are supposed to be what's best for us, why did the warrior "gods" of these religions allow their adherents to get enslaved and subjugated on their own land? if I'm using basic logic, those "gods" didn't seem to have any actual authority or power, yet brehs tout the religions that venerate them as the pinnacle of spiritual empowerment...

we're being punished for not accepting a foreign? that's how your deity works?

who's being punished, breh? maybe you should be speaking for yourself. I've been blessed and highly favored for as long as I can remember.

why didn't the Bible take place in Kenya? Why isn't Yeshua Ethiopian?

because it didn't and because he's not - what relevance does that have to the message in scripture? Yeshua gave his life for jew and gentile alike and extended acceptance into the Kingdom of Heaven to jew and gentile alike. if your arrogance would only allow you to venerate God incarnate if he came from an African nation, that's on you, but don't complain that you're being "punished" in the same breath...no, you made a choice not to accept Christ, so you're left to deal with the world as it is...that's like being a high profile celebrity and deciding you don't want security detail for protection. then when you get assaulted and robbed you cryin saying I'm being punished for not accepting my security detail...no, you refused protection so you gotta deal with whatever the world throws at you...
 

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Logistically it’s like creating yourself in a video game.

You are simultaneously the one in control AND the one experiencing the game.

That’s the best logical parallel I can think of :manny:
 

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it might not have been you, but I've seen brehs on here denigrate other brehs for following christianity, while propping up traditional African religions. If traditional African religions are supposed to be what's best for us, why did the warrior "gods" of these religions allow their adherents to get enslaved and subjugated on their own land? if I'm using basic logic, those "gods" didn't seem to have any actual authority or power, yet brehs tout the religions that venerate them as the pinnacle of spiritual empowerment...



who's being punished, breh? maybe you should be speaking for yourself. I've been blessed and highly favored for as long as I can remember.



because it didn't and because he's not - what relevance does that have to the message in scripture? Yeshua gave his life for jew and gentile alike and extended acceptance into the Kingdom of Heaven to jew and gentile alike. if your arrogance would only allow you to venerate God incarnate if he came from an African nation, that's on you, but don't complain that you're being "punished" in the same breath...no, you made a choice not to accept Christ, so you're left to deal with the world as it is...that's like being a high profile celebrity and deciding you don't want security detail for protection. then when you get assaulted and robbed you cryin saying I'm being punished for not accepting my security detail...no, you refused protection so you gotta deal with whatever the world throws at you...
Spoken like a good negro.

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give me the reason why you're asking me to go thru this exercise...




no, its not wrong...maybe you should brush up on history before speaking out of your ass...

Per ChatGPT:

In Africa, two countries are often considered to have never been formally colonized by European powers:

  1. Ethiopia
    • Ethiopia successfully resisted colonization during the late 19th and early 20th centuries. The most notable event was the Battle of Adwa (1896), where Ethiopian forces, under Emperor Menelik II, defeated the Italian army, ensuring Ethiopia's independence. Although Italy briefly occupied Ethiopia from 1936 to 1941 during Mussolini's regime, this was considered a military occupation rather than colonization.
Ethiopia's occupation was a military one - they didn't lose their independence, they fought to maintain it.
  1. Liberia
    • Liberia was established in 1821 by the American Colonization Society as a settlement for freed African Americans. It declared its independence in 1847 and functioned as a republic governed by these settlers (referred to as Americo-Liberians). Although it had ties to the United States, it was never formally colonized by a European power.
Liberia is not a traditional African nation. While the land was occupied by various indigenous tribes prior to the ACS establishing the nation state of Liberia, it was never a formal nation state prior to 1821.

my point still stands...Ethiopia is the only nation in Africa to maintain it's independence and is the first nation in Africa to adopt Christianity...facts don't give a fukk about your feelings...

I haven't got time to read UNEDUCATED takes...exercise intelligence and critical thought or you will be ignored...

e-grow please :mjlol::camby:
 
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