From The New Yorker: "My Great-Grandfather, the Nigerian Slave-Trader"

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Just a little chart I found that briefly explains Spiral Dynamics. Many African societies are at stage red/purple. So many of you guys complain about why Africa is the way it is. You have to understand where they are culturally. This is why things like tribal beefs, slavery is socially acceptable. They have an entirely different value system based on culture and customs that go back centuries. We should not demonize them but rather understand them and work to demolish cultural rifts and barriers.


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What he doesnt realize is currently, white based religions dominate Africa. The issue is whites give resources to certain groups and not to other groups. That is what is going on these days. Tribalism today is more like resourceism. White folks control the resources and they pick and choose. If they don't like you, they will remove you. That's what most African countries are currently dealing with. You can say, why not fight them but they are the hidden hand in Africa, they don't make themselves visible but they are all so powerful but now that they are losing their footing, they are popping back up again in Africa under humanitarian these days but we all know what and who they are.
 

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Great thread.

It was a hard read tho.

History is complicated and ugly, just like the truth.

If anything reading this article makes me want to do ancestry test. I really want to know how this story unfolds for me.

Dear God the burden placed on the backs of our ancestors is unimaginable.

Sold into slavery or choose death
Survive the middle passage
Be sold of into property and separated from your family
Fight for the right to be recognized as man
Only to be viewed as inferior by the rest of the world.

Still Standing!
 

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You're sick. Your excuses in this thread disgust me
No excuses around these parts.

Knowledge has been shared here so I'm sharing what I know. Straight facts and I corrected the mistake you made.

Now what you do with this info, what you think about Africans... Idc at all :yeshrug:
 

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I can understand my african American brothers and sisters/ Caribbeans not understanding this. But that was how things were done.

The exploitation of people like her father, should be held accountable and made to pay.
 

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What he doesnt realize is currently, white based religions dominate Africa. The issue is whites give resources to certain groups and not to other groups. That is what is going on these days. Tribalism today is more like resourceism. White folks control the resources and they pick and choose. If they don't like you, they will remove you. That's what most African countries are currently dealing with. You can say, why not fight them but they are the hidden hand in Africa, they don't make themselves visible but they are all so powerful but now that they are losing their footing, they are popping back up again in Africa under humanitarian these days but we all know what and who they are.

There will always be more technologically advanced socieites looking to exploit Africa as long as tribalism persists. Whether it is at the hands of Europeans, Arabs, or Asians. Tribalism is a major issue. It is part of what helped the trans-Atlantic slave trade to reach the height that it did and its part of what is impeding Africa's progress in this present day. You're correct in that Western interference just makes it 10x worse.

The collective consciousness of Africans has to rise and acknowledge that tribalism is an impediment to overall progress. I think that the more people who are educated and have their basic needs covered (clean water, food, shelter), the more will start to see such elevated thinking take root. Unfortunately it may take a few generations for this to happen.
 

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One thing I never got from Atlantic slave trade was people selling people from their own tribe. Thats the main reason why slave trade didn't happen as heavily where I'm from. The Maasai, who could've easily participated in that abomination by conquering others were against slavery and kept Arab slave traders at bay, indirectly protecting other tribes by doing so. I read from some place that once there was a drought, some Igbos sold their own children into slavery to get food, how true is this?or is it just some whiteman propaganda?
 

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One thing I never got from Atlantic slave trade was people selling people from their own tribe. Thats the main reason why slave trade didn't happen as heavily where I'm from. The Maasai, who could've easily participated in that abomination by conquering others were against slavery and kept Arab slave traders at bay, indirectly protecting other tribes by doing so. I read from some place that once there was a drought, some Igbos sold their own children into slavery to get food, how true is this?or is it just some whiteman propaganda?

Possible.

Igbos were not politically unified until Nigeria’s First Republic. So clans and towns often fought each other.
 

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Interesting but I don't trust it. Reads waaaaaaaay too much like Anti-blk, dark continent European propaganda.

I honestly think alt-right whites are stepping their game up to sow seeds of division amongst blk ethnic groups around the world, even as they rally with whites all over the world.

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I feel the opposite way. I don't think misconceptions, fears, and ignorance about other groups just go away if you ignore it. No, these aren't new issues. Go back and read books, magazines and watch documentaries from the 1960s & 70s. Africans across the globe are just now interacting with each other with more frequency and in ways that never happened before .

People are who they are....those who are here to debate,learn and teach will do that. Those who are here for shenanigans are going to do the only thing they know how to do.

These types of discussions need to take place though. Ideally they supplement whatever previous base of knowledge people have about the slave trade or of the history of Blacks in the Americas.. The danger is when people with no previous education/information of topics enter discussions like this because they can't put any of it in context. Intermediate level discussion here, not for beginners.

Also, under ideal conditions these discussions don't sow seeds of division....gives you a better understanding of history . Learn from history or make the same mistakes.
 

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I understand. It just didn't happened like that in America. Black (and some Natives) were only enslaved. But, as you know purchased from Africans to be enslaved by non-Africans.

It's all hard to wrap my head around.

I hate when people say slavery was practiced everywhere - that's true and all -- but Chattel slavery based on race/skin-color were uniquely American.

Uniquely American is a reach it happened on every European slave colony on this hemisphere whether that colony was in North, Central or South America. Whether that colony was located in the West Indies.​
 

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Yeah In Ghana we have a similar system. Theyre called abawaas. I did feel some type of way when I saw it, but like you say it's a step above their previous situation. Most of them can obtain education or a trade while living there rent free, they just have to attend to the head of the house.

If the head of the house is a scumbag, that's when it begins to be slave-like situation.

This is common all over the world though. I'm not saying it's right but its better to have that than selling their body in backpage or instagram.
Maybe its different in west africa but its not that common in my experience. Usually the wife is a stay at home mom and does all that shyt. At least it used to be, a lot more women work now. My grandmother was old, her husband dead and all her kids lived in Europe so she just needed someone to help out
 

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I feel the opposite way. I don't think misconceptions, fears, and ignorance about other groups just go away if you ignore it. No, these aren't new issues. Go back and read books, magazines and watch documentaries from the 1960s & 70s. Africans across the globe are just now interacting with each other with more frequency and in ways that never happened before .

People are who they are....those who are here to debate,learn and teach will do that. Those who are here for shenanigans are going to do the only thing they know how to do.

These types of discussions need to take place though. Ideally they supplement whatever previous base of knowledge people have about the slave trade or of the history of Blacks in the Americas.. The danger is when people with no previous education/information of topics enter discussions like this because they can't put any of it in context. Intermediate level discussion here, not for beginners.

Also, under ideal conditions these discussions don't sow seeds of division....gives you a better understanding of history . Learn from history or make the same mistakes.
Nah. This sudden influx of anti-worldwide blk sentiments isn't coincidence. I wouldn't be surprised if all these types weren't on the alt-right payroll. Timing for these thinkpieces is far too suspect and shyt whites have been saying for years in fringe revisionist forums. Now they feel emboldened and need these types of stories to validate their claims.

"See it wasn't the whites, this is just more blk on blk crime!"
"When are blks gonna stop blaming whitey for everything!"
"You sold urselves into slavery!" "Savages!" "Can't govern themselves!"
I'm sure Africans weren't blameless in their role in the slave trade. This is less about caping for Africans and more about being unwilling to pretend like this isn't agenda. This isn't a nuanced discussion of cultural differences between two groups of black people. This is some 19th century racist anthropologist white fanfiction probably sanctioned by alt-right dollars.

Exorcise whatever demons are left over from the slave trade but shyt like this makes some blks hate themselves more than whites who have done all of us a MILLION times worse. The dire poverty, disease, and exploitation that swept over the African continent after the slave trade has resulted in more than enough karma to repay the dead chiefs who sold us. Not to mention the neo-colonial actions of early African-American repatriates. Well, we will leave Liberia alone for now. Hell we are the ancestors of slaves and we benefit through geopolitics off the continued exploitation of Africans every time we upgrade our damn cell phones. The African karmic cypher is complete.

Talk and discuss, but please don't waste your time trying to convince me of the likelihood of recent influx of blk anti-blk sentiments is not tied to the current political climate. We can't afford to be this short sighted and divided while whites are prepping to stand in violent support of white Afrikkaners as soon as Africans move to take back land that belongs to them. Meanwhile, we will still be grumbling about holding nuts b/c some internet psuedo-intellectuals told us to hold grudges against other blk people for shyt that happened centuries ago.

- The Washington Post

Frankly, I'm tired of making these connections for people. How can something be so obvious to me, yet fly over the heads of others? I can literally see this shyt unfolding. There has even been an influx of alt-right sympathizers on this site in the last year. Bet my student loan debt that these Yvettes, Tariqs, and Tommy Sotomayors are all funded by racist dollars to sow division. All this shyt is connected.
 

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There will always be more technologically advanced socieites looking to exploit Africa as long as tribalism persists. Whether it is at the hands of Europeans, Arabs, or Asians. Tribalism is a major issue. It is part of what helped the trans-Atlantic slave trade to reach the height that it did and its part of what is impeding Africa's progress in this present day. You're correct in that Western interference just makes it 10x worse.

The collective consciousness of Africans has to rise and acknowledge that tribalism is an impediment to overall progress. I think that the more people who are educated and have their basic needs covered (clean water, food, shelter), the more will start to see such elevated thinking take root. Unfortunately it may take a few generations for this to happen.
You don't even have any heritage that you can trace nor do you know your own power or blood. You do not know what you are talking about. You just like hearing yourself talk, shut up

If you only had a clue, you would not be saying what you are saying
 
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