Gary Payton is completely wrong

[Regular_P]

Yes, we all want to go back to the days of 77-73 Knicks/Heat struggles. Who doesn't miss that?

 

[ISO]

That's why the eastern conference been garbage for decade + and this year has the WORST eastern conference in NBA history?


cac

I'm not a cac idiot, and every decade has had a weak conference. The East was not strong in the 90s, the West was considered weak in the 80s. BTW the East was not garbage from 08-13 it was top heavy. And this season isn't over there's a lot of ball to play and New York, Brooklyn, Toronto are all playing well.

 

[gluvnast]

The East this year is weak that is a fact although it's starting to get better. But to say the West isn't far off is ridiculous. The West from 2000 now is arguably the strongest conference in NBA history with multiple contenders every year. That BS about drive and heart is what it is absolute BS that era biased individuals have created. How have fundamentals at all decreased your just pulling things out the ass homie. Physicality has decreased but guys are playing more fundamental defense using their feet not their hands (handchecking), the defensive schemes are more elaborate than ever.

The West today are overrated. Sorry to say, they're only LOOK better due to the fact how weak the East is. And the fundamentals of ball playing has NOT increased, they in fact decreased due to players preferring to always take a charge than challenge the play or always willing to FLOP than use the fundamentals to execute effective ball movement. The referees practically took over and you cannot even say shyt about it as an active ballplayer or coach.

I mean what teams are even remotely exciting anymore? What rivalry is worth watching these days? It's not even a wonder why the Heat at times play half-ass during some games, because the competition isn't up to standard.

 

[NYC Rebel]

Yes, we all want to go back to the days of 77-73 Knicks/Heat struggles. Who doesn't miss that?

And grocery baggers could be the second best player on the squad

 

[gluvnast]

I'm not a cac idiot, and every decade has had a weak conference. The East was not strong in the 90s, the West was considered weak in the 80s. BTW the East was not garbage from 08-13 it was top heavy. And this season isn't over there's a lot of ball to play and New York, Brooklyn, Toronto are all playing well.

There we have it, someone that is too young, probably BORN in the 90's that doesn't know what he is talking about. The East was very strong in the 90's, the West was very strong in the 80's. The difference was there was more of a balance of dominance and it's no mystery as to why most of the greatest players of all time emerged from those two eras.

 

[ISO]

The West today are overrated. Sorry to say, they're only LOOK better due to the fact how weak the East is. And the fundamentals of ball playing has NOT increased, they in fact decreased due to players preferring to always take a charge than challenge the play or always willing to FLOP than use the fundamentals to execute effective ball movement. The referees practically took over and you cannot even say shyt about it as an active ballplayer or coach.

I mean what teams are even remotely exciting anymore? What rivalry is worth watching these days? It's not even a wonder why the Heat at times play half-ass during some games, because the competition isn't up to standard.

Drawing charges is fundamentals, it's always been part of the game did your basketball coach never teach you about drawing charges? There is no ball movement yet today's teams on average about as many assists as a team as teams in the 90s?

The West is overrated. I guess OKC, Clippers, Rockets, Spurs, Warriors aren't great teams with great players and depth

Heat play half ass just like many great teams in NBA history did, they coast through the season. Did you see the 96 Bulls and other great teams and see how they would coast

 

[ISO]

There we have it, someone that is too young, probably BORN in the 90's that doesn't know what he is talking about. The East was very strong in the 90's, the West was very strong in the 80's. The difference was there was more of a balance of dominance and it's no mystery as to why most of the greatest players of all time emerged from those two eras.

The East was strong in the 90s yet you had seasons with teams 12 games under 500. could make the playoffs, the wins from top to bottom from the modern East and 90s East isn't very different at all.

 

[gluvnast]

Drawing charges is fundamentals, it's always been part of the game did your basketball coach never teach you about drawing charges? There is no ball movement yet today's teams on average average more assists as a team?

The West is overrated. I guess OKC, Clippers, Rockets, Spurs, Warriors aren't great teams with great players and depth

Heat play half ass just like many great teams in NBA history did, they coast through the season. Did you see the 96 Bulls and other great teams and see how they would coast

OKC maybe the most complete out west, but with one starter out and that team is like a completely different squad. Spurs is the most disciplined, but that's only because it's the ONLY team in the NBA that sticks with the pure fundamentals. The REST OF THE WEST are purely runnin' and gunnin' it and weak defensively. Only the Grizzlies is a decent defensive team.

And you NEVER see the 90's Bulls play half-ass in games, especially in that season where they gain the season record for most wins. They kept going at teams until the lead is so big that Phil just sit his starters in the 4th quarter.

Like I said, you obviously was either born or in diapers in the 90's. You do not even know what you are talking about.

 

[ISO]

There we have it, someone that is too young, probably BORN in the 90's that doesn't know what he is talking about. The East was very strong in the 90's, the West was very strong in the 80's. The difference was there was more of a balance of dominance and it's no mystery as to why most of the greatest players of all time emerged from those two eras.

How were the 80s West strong, 35 win teams made the playoffs and Magic had some cakewalks to the Finals?

 

[HiphopRelated]

Lol @ a John Starks character being someone of prominence in today's NBA

 

[ISO]

OKC maybe the most complete out west, but with one starter out and that team is like a completely different squad. Spurs is the most disciplined, but that's only because it's the ONLY team in the NBA that sticks with the pure fundamentals. The REST OF THE WEST are purely runnin' and gunnin' it and weak defensively. Only the Grizzlies is a decent defensive team.

Not true at all.

Golden State runs and guns but they play good D especially with the pace they play at. Golden State is 10th in points allowed, 3rd in points allowed per 100 possessions and 5th in opponents FG%. Houston runs and guns but they are top 5 in opponents FG% as well, the Clippers are 6th in points allowed per 100 possessions and 8th in opponents FG%.

San Antonio does play fundamentally sound ball, always have. Portland doesn't play good D, but they are the epitome of a ball movement team with great fundamentals and shooting.

 

[gluvnast]

How were the 80s West strong, 35 win teams made the playoffs and Magic had some cakewalks to the Finals?

How you going to know if a conference is weak or not when you wasn't even BORN to watch it for yourself? Dismissing the Rockets of that time, the Jazz, the Blazers, the Suns, and the Spurs back then. It proves you have no clue what you are talking about and merely just googling NBA records.

 

[ISO]

How you going to know if a conference is weak or not when you wasn't even BORN to watch it for yourself? Dismissing the Rockets of that time, the Jazz, the Blazers, the Suns, and the Spurs back then. It proves you have no clue what you are talking about and merely just googling NBA records.

How can you accuse me of not having watching them play? I didn't watch the 80s live but I've heard experts, historians and people who saw the era objectively not an era stan like you talk about the decade and say it was weak in many years and Magic having a cake walk in some years, I've seen plenty of games you know NBATV, YouTube, full games are available online I've seen plenty of games from the 80s, entire playoff series' for that matter.

 

[gluvnast]

How can you accuse me of not having watching them play? I didn't watch the 80s but I've heard experts and people who saw the era objectively not an era stan like you talk about the decade and say it was weak in many years and Magic having a cake walk in some years, I've seen plenty of games you know NBATV, YouTube, full games are available online I've seen plenty of games from the 80s, entire playoff series' for that matter.

So you know this by hearsay, and youtube clips.

Just because the Lakers dominated the 80's, not dismissing the Celtics and the Pistons, and the Bulls dominated the 90's, not dismissing the Rockets, Spurs & Lakers does not automatically give you the assumption that their conferences were weak. Not at all. Again, I say, there's a REASON why the majority of the greatest players of all time emerged between those two eras. We wouldn't even have NBA ball as a popular sport had it NOT been for the 80's and 90's. You don't know and unfortunately will NEVER know because you never experienced that period. Watching old clips doesn't give you that.

 

[The War Report]

Preach...

I can't be the only one who felt the NBA was taking a step down during the 90s

Breh, stop acting like a lot of dudes on here where self-aware during that period.

I would say most dudes on here grew up on that 00 era of basketball.