Gary Payton is completely wrong

[The War Report]

I watched the video, the game is less physical but defense isn't any worse. Back then there were guys going to the lines 10-12 times a game too, have you seen Adrian Dantley play?

Gary Payton said it's a run and gun league, the amount of possessions are identical. He forgot Tony Parker's name and then called him a true point which is ridiculous he is obviously extremely out of touch with today's league.

Gary doesn't know what he's talking about half the time. A lot of GOAT players just sound like flat out jackasses when they talk about their sport. They have no perspective.

 

[ISO]

So you know this by hearsay, and youtube clips.

Just because the Lakers dominated the 80's, not dismissing the Celtics and the Pistons, and the Bulls dominated the 90's, not dismissing the Rockets, Spurs & Lakers does not automatically give you the assumption that their conferences were weak. Not at all. Again, I say, there's a REASON why the majority of the greatest players of all time emerged between those two eras. We wouldn't even have NBA ball as a popular sport had it NOT been for the 80's and 90's. You don't know and unfortunately will NEVER know because you never experienced that period. Watching old clips doesn't give you that.

I'm not taking clips or highlights or mixes I'm talking full games dozens of them. You know more about basketball than Bill Simmons? You know more about basketball than people who actually covered the game? How old are you why you fronting like you saw the NBA in the 80s at an age in which you were capable of even interpreting ball?

I'm not dismissing teams I know their were great teams, I know their were great players. But the conferences were not significantly stronger over the NBA in the past 5 seasons that's bullshyt. The 2000s produced as many top 50 players as just about any era btw.

 

[NYC Rebel]

Breh, stop acting like a lot of dudes on here where self-aware during that period.

I would say most dudes on here grew up on that 00 era of basketball.

Not really breh. Cats thought it was as good as it gets

 

[#1 pick]

That's why the eastern conference been garbage for decade + and this year has the WORST eastern conference in NBA history?


cac

The west is loaded tho

 

[#1 pick]

The 90's got hit by the drugs of the mid and late 80's and more teams with a lack of international players. Today the game is loaded but elite talent was more seen in the 2000's then now. We can't control how many special talents come but the avg. NBA is much better than the 90's.

 

[gluvnast]

I'm not taking clips or highlights or mixes I'm talking full games dozens of them. You know more about basketball than Bill Simmons? You know more about basketball than people who actually covered the game? How old are you why you fronting like you saw the NBA in the 80s at an age in which you were capable of even interpreting ball?

I'm not dismissing teams I know their were great teams, I know their were great players. But the conferences were not significantly stronger over the NBA in the past 5 seasons that's bullshyt. The 2000s produced as many top 50 players as just about any era btw.

The 2000's was the start of the decline... and I cannot even picture a collection of ball players (or teams for that matter) of that era that were superior in comparison. If someone like Steve Nash get consecutive MVP's is your example then I'll pass. Outside of Kobe and the emergence of the class of '03 which half of them damn near play on the same team today, there's nothing much to brag about that decade. The only GREAT teams were the Spurs, the Lakers, and late in the decade the Celtics and that was it. You only really had a handful of guys that were worthy of Hall of Fame status and MOST of them came out from the 90's era.

 

[gluvnast]

And I'm not saying this is exclusively the reason, but the moment Stern made that conscious decision to be more like European ball while expanding to acquire more international players and gain more of an international fanbase, the game completely changed from there on.

 

[ISO]

The 2000's was the start of the decline... and I cannot even picture a collection of ball players (or teams for that matter) of that era that were superior in comparison. If someone like Steve Nash get consecutive MVP's is your example then I'll pass. Outside of Kobe and the emergence of the class of '03 which half of them damn near play on the same team today, there's nothing much to brag about that decade. The only GREAT teams were the Spurs, the Lakers, and late in the decade the Celtics and that was it. You only really had a handful of guys that were worthy of Hall of Fame status and MOST of them came out from the 90's era.

Kevin Garnett
LeBron James
Kobe Bryant
Allen Iverson
Steve Nash
Jason Kidd
Ray Allen
Dwyane Wade
Dirk Nowitzki
Paul Pierce
Tim Duncan
Kevin Durant
Chris Paul

Then you have the Melo's, Carter's, McGrady's and others who had great peaks.

These are all top 50 players All-Time or future top 50 players All-Time with James, Kobe, Shaq being top 10. All these guys peaked and were at their best in the 00s. Steve Nash is one of the most offensively product players ever, people had career years playing with him stop it, I don't think he deserved back to back MVP's but he was a great player.

And towards your little comment about stars playing together, that's always been the case. Bill Russell played with guys like Sam Jones, John Havlicek, Bob Cousy, Tom Heisohn, KC Jones, etc. throughout his career all hall of famers and that was in the 60s.

 

[MustafaSTL]

I miss those 71-70 slugfests.

 

[SoulController]

he kinda lost me by not at least mentioning Curry and Lilliard

i understand Curry isnt much of a defender, but his offensive game is beautiful. Lilliard is just a killer, guy who can run an O yet put the team on his back offensively and hit late game shots. his comments werent completely baseless, but it came off as bitter

 

[ISO]

he kinda lost me by not at least mentioning Curry and Lilliard

i understand Curry isnt much of a defender, but his offensive game is beautiful. Lilliard is just a killer, guy who can run an O yet put the team on his back offensively and hit late game shots. his comments werent completely baseless, but it came off as bitter

They were definitely baseless, literally nothing he said make sense apart from the game being less physical.

 

[SoulController]

They were definitely baseless, literally nothing he said make sense apart from the game being less physical.

the data is solid, its alot closer than i would have thought as far as percentages and ppg.

 

[NYC Rebel]

They're not true point guards that's why.

We know Tony Parker that he mentioned certainly isn't

 

[jmspro]

I think the early 00's was the weakest NBA era.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

How you going to know if a conference is weak or not when you wasn't even BORN to watch it for yourself? Dismissing the Rockets of that time, the Jazz, the Blazers, the Suns, and the Spurs back then. It proves you have no clue what you are talking about and merely just googling NBA records.

This is why I don't bother......But the 90s is overrated when it comes down to the NBA....But its overrated compared to the 80s, not the point they are trying to get across in this thread