Gaza Michigan Receipts

[Conan]

No, it’s confirmation that we were right and lessons should be learned if something analogous comes up in a future election cycle.

The people who were trying to get you to vote for Kamala were right if Gaza was your number one issue because it would have led to the better outcome for the Palestinians between the two options, by a wide margin.

What lessons should be learned?

 

[Outlaw]

What lessons should be learned?

When someone like Trump is on the ballot then don’t play games with your vote

 

[Conan]

When someone like Trump is on the ballot then don’t play games with your vote

I just wanted to make sure that I had your dumb opinion on record.

For anyone following, the overarching lesson to take from the last 2 years, with regards to this specific topic, is: vote blue, despite the fact that

1. Prior to October 7, there was de-facto bipartisan support and acceptance of the situation in Gaza and the West Bank

2. After October 7, the president and his cabinet fully supported Israel's indiscriminate bombing of Gaza, ignoring the mounting death toll of civilians

3. The president and his cabinet virtually ignored Israel's killing of Americans in the West Bank by Israel

4. After Biden's stepping down, Kamala did not separate herself from Biden on the Israel matter

5. The Democratic National Convention SHUT OUT all pro-palestinian voices from the event. Kamala declined to meet with any of the protestors (even the moderate ones who JUST wanted her to acknowledge the other side). She declined to enforce a harder line on Israel. She called Iran America's number 1 enemy (yes, above China, Russia, North Korea...), aligning herself with neocons across the board

6. Leftists were repeatedly scolded over this topic running up to the election. On this very board we were told that Gaza was not a consequential issue and that the election would be decided on Trump's odiousness

7. Kamala in one of the worst fukking election performances of all time lost people across the board in moderate swing states due to her refusal to budge on Gaza and her overall fecklessness that has been a characteristic ever since she lucked her way into the senator and VP seats

8. Kamala has offered no indication across her career that she is anything but a staunch pro-Israel politician like Jeffries and Booker... She accepted funds from AIPAC, voted for Israel in the Senate, perpetrated the myth/unsubstantiated stories of systemic sexual assault on October 7, shut out Pro-Palestinian voices from the convention and campaign, played cover for Biden's endorsement of the horror in Gaza and the West Bank...

9. She has said nothing since on the matter! No statements. No condemnation of Trump's policy. No acknowledgement she got it wrong. Even the would be VP, Waltz, has publicly acknowledged they got it wrong and were obtuse... If she was any different from Trump, now would be the absolute best fukking time to say so

10. The Blues, despite public opinion finally turning against Israel, continue to run cover for Israel. Look at Buttigieg's response on Pod Save America. Look at the fact that the Democratic leaders of the House and Senate have NOT endorsed the frontrunner for the NYC mayoral race to date, rubbishing the notion of "vote blue no matter who"

On this topic, there is nothing that damns people who refused to vote. Both sides crossed the line of blessing the current situation. "A more humane genocide with less starvation but the same level of death and killing" endorsed by the Democrats is of zero benefit to anyone with any sense of morals.

 

[Conan]

We're witnessing a genocide and the foremost thought on some people's minds is: "oh how I wish people voted for Kamala so that the genocide would be conducted in a more humane manner"

How rotten must you be as a human to walk around with such thoughts and think that makes you a good person, and badger others for not stooping to the same levels as you?

 

[Outlaw]

I just wanted to make sure that I had your dumb opinion on record.

For anyone following, the overarching lesson to take from the last 2 years, with regards to this specific topic, is: vote blue, despite the fact that

1. Prior to October 7, there was de-facto bipartisan support and acceptance of the situation in Gaza and the West Bank

2. After October 7, the president and his cabinet fully supported Israel's indiscriminate bombing of Gaza, ignoring the mounting death toll of civilians

3. The president and his cabinet virtually ignored Israel's killing of Americans in the West Bank by Israel

4. After Biden's stepping down, Kamala did not separate herself from Biden on the Israel matter

5. The Democratic National Convention SHUT OUT all pro-palestinian voices from the event. Kamala declined to meet with any of the protestors (even the moderate ones who JUST wanted her to acknowledge the other side). She declined to enforce a harder line on Israel. She called Iran America's number 1 enemy (yes, above China, Russia, North Korea...), aligning herself with neocons across the board

6. Leftists were repeatedly scolded over this topic running up to the election. On this very board we were told that Gaza was not a consequential issue and that the election would be decided on Trump's odiousness

7. Kamala in one of the worst fukking election performances of all time lost people across the board in moderate swing states due to her refusal to budge on Gaza and her overall fecklessness that has been a characteristic ever since she lucked her way into the senator and VP seats

8. Kamala has offered no indication across her career that she is anything but a staunch pro-Israel politician like Jeffries and Booker... She accepted funds from AIPAC, voted for Israel in the Senate, perpetrated the myth/unsubstantiated stories of systemic sexual assault on October 7, shut out Pro-Palestinian voices from the convention and campaign, played cover for Biden's endorsement of the horror in Gaza and the West Bank...

9. She has said nothing since on the matter! No statements. No condemnation of Trump's policy. No acknowledgement she got it wrong. Even the would be VP, Waltz, has publicly acknowledged they got it wrong and were obtuse... If she was any different from Trump, now would be the absolute best fukking time to say so

10. The Blues, despite public opinion finally turning against Israel, continue to run cover for Israel. Look at Buttigieg's response on Pod Save America. Look at the fact that the Democratic leaders of the House and Senate have NOT endorsed the frontrunner for the NYC mayoral race to date, rubbishing the notion of "vote blue no matter who"

On this topic, there is nothing that damns people who refused to vote. Both sides crossed the line of blessing the current situation. "A more humane genocide with less starvation but the same level of death and killing" endorsed by the Democrats is of zero benefit to anyone with any sense of morals.

I’m sure everything you said makes perfect sense in the realm of mental masturbation but your line of logic led to Trump which is the worse outcome for nearly everyone on this planet including the Gazans.


I’m sure if Kamala won, Laura Loomer would be dictating our foreign policy.

The lesson learned from all of this is voting for the lesser of two evils (you view Kamala as evil) is nearly infinitely more preferable than allowing the greater evil win. Abstentia is never the answer

 

[Robbie3000]

For him, this topic is primarily about his betrothed, Kamala, losing.

It's not about the genocide being funded by our tax dollars.

It's not about both parties being wrapped around Israel's finger.

It's about: Kamala. That's where it starts and ends. So much so, that for them, it's enough that despite no evidence, they were willing to accept her platform of "10% less genocide"

This is as much as I'm willing to say now. I'll say more on the next tag.

Dude is so pathetic. I hope he is a young man and this was his first political heartbreak otherwise,

 

[Torrential]

Biden failed us. This is on him

 

[Torrential]

I just wanted to make sure that I had your dumb opinion on record.

For anyone following, the overarching lesson to take from the last 2 years, with regards to this specific topic, is: vote blue, despite the fact that

1. Prior to October 7, there was de-facto bipartisan support and acceptance of the situation in Gaza and the West Bank

2. After October 7, the president and his cabinet fully supported Israel's indiscriminate bombing of Gaza, ignoring the mounting death toll of civilians

3. The president and his cabinet virtually ignored Israel's killing of Americans in the West Bank by Israel

4. After Biden's stepping down, Kamala did not separate herself from Biden on the Israel matter

5. The Democratic National Convention SHUT OUT all pro-palestinian voices from the event. Kamala declined to meet with any of the protestors (even the moderate ones who JUST wanted her to acknowledge the other side). She declined to enforce a harder line on Israel. She called Iran America's number 1 enemy (yes, above China, Russia, North Korea...), aligning herself with neocons across the board

6. Leftists were repeatedly scolded over this topic running up to the election. On this very board we were told that Gaza was not a consequential issue and that the election would be decided on Trump's odiousness

7. Kamala in one of the worst fukking election performances of all time lost people across the board in moderate swing states due to her refusal to budge on Gaza and her overall fecklessness that has been a characteristic ever since she lucked her way into the senator and VP seats

8. Kamala has offered no indication across her career that she is anything but a staunch pro-Israel politician like Jeffries and Booker... She accepted funds from AIPAC, voted for Israel in the Senate, perpetrated the myth/unsubstantiated stories of systemic sexual assault on October 7, shut out Pro-Palestinian voices from the convention and campaign, played cover for Biden's endorsement of the horror in Gaza and the West Bank...

9. She has said nothing since on the matter! No statements. No condemnation of Trump's policy. No acknowledgement she got it wrong. Even the would be VP, Waltz, has publicly acknowledged they got it wrong and were obtuse... If she was any different from Trump, now would be the absolute best fukking time to say so

10. The Blues, despite public opinion finally turning against Israel, continue to run cover for Israel. Look at Buttigieg's response on Pod Save America. Look at the fact that the Democratic leaders of the House and Senate have NOT endorsed the frontrunner for the NYC mayoral race to date, rubbishing the notion of "vote blue no matter who"

On this topic, there is nothing that damns people who refused to vote. Both sides crossed the line of blessing the current situation. "A more humane genocide with less starvation but the same level of death and killing" endorsed by the Democrats is of zero benefit to anyone with any sense of morals.

This is what we call powerful posting

 

[Conan]

I’m sure everything you said makes perfect sense in the realm of mental masturbation

but your line of logic led to Trump

For the last time: no!

The Democrats' uselessness around hiding Biden's health issues until it was too late to run an open primary, selecting a candidate who was unpopular across the board and seen as a useless prop, her inability to move the needle on multiple issues (including Gaza) led to trump sweeping the electoral vote map in critical swing states. He was not inevitable and the sooner you Democrat stans get over this the better.

which is the worse outcome for nearly everyone on this planet including the Gazans.

When it comes to Gaza, this distinction is nearly useless when the red line of genocide was crossed ages ago. No one is wishing Kamala was in office so that marginally fewer people would die in a fukked up situation. And again, she has said and shown nothing to prove that she would be a significantly better option. She has a mouth and can use it. She doesn't need her stans to run interference for her nonchalance

I’m sure if Kamala won, Laura Loomer would be dictating our foreign policy.

Yes. We were all feening for a Blinken V2

The lesson learned from all of this is voting for the lesser of two evils (you view Kamala as evil) is nearly infinitely more preferable than allowing the greater evil win.

Kamala is too useless and devoid of principles (maybe except on abortion) to be evil. I don't think about her unless you stans bring her up. Her career is thankfully over as far as national politics is concerned, and good riddance.

Thankfully the more serious candidates for 2028 realize that it's not enough to present yourself as "the lesser of 2 evils"... You have to offer something of substance.

And furthermore, unlike your morally depraved self, more and more Democrats are coming around to the fact that Israel's atrocities are no longer to be tolerated or swept under the rug, and campaigns will be made or broken on this issue. Similar to Vietnam back in the day.

Abstentia is never the answer

Yeah Kamala and other politicians. Absentia is never the answer. Neither is cowardice. Or sucking up to Israel's teat. Or expecting voters to show up for the lesser of two evils, despite every incidence of this failing spectacularly

Hop off Kamala's dikk

 

[Conan]

Dude is so pathetic. I hope he is a young man and this was his first political heartbreak otherwise,

He's not alone. There's a bunch of sad idiots on here who were mentally ruined by the loss and have gone Blue MAGA since, thinking current events validates their disgusting world views.

I'm just annoyed I had to go through all that effort because I know it's wasted effort reasoning with them

 

[Outlaw]

We're witnessing a genocide and the foremost thought on some people's minds is: "oh how I wish people voted for Kamala so that the genocide would be conducted in a more humane manner"

How rotten must you be as a human to walk around with such thoughts and think that makes you a good person, and badger others for not stooping to the same levels as you?

What good is your morality when you didn’t vote against USAID getting cut?

What good is your morality when you didn’t vote against the gutting of social programs?

What good is your morality when you didn’t vote against the complete decimation of climate change science?

What good is your morality when you didn’t vote against domestic concentration camps?

What good is your morality when in your own words you didn’t vote against “10% more genocide”?

What good is your morality when you didn’t vote against the gutting of vaccine research and investment?

What good is your morality when you didn’t vote against Donald Trump?

I can go on but it’s not I who should reevaluate my moral code, it’s you breh

 

[voltronblack]

Lawmaker 'stuffs ballots' in swing state Trump only won by 80K votes

Abu Musa, city councilmember of Hamtramck, Michigan, was seen in the passenger seat of a car, watching another man deposit three stacks of ballots into a drop box.

www.dailymail.co.uk

A chilling video has allegedly shown a lawmaker accompanying a friend who stuffed ballots in a swing state that Donald Trump only won by just over 80,000 votes.

Abu Musa, a city council member of Hamtramck, Michigan, was in the passenger seat handing several bundles of what appear to be absentee ballots to the driver.

Musa then watches the driver deposit three stacks of ballots into a drop box.

Michigan State Police confirmed the authenticity of the clip, which was filmed on August 1. It is part of an investigation into council members’ residency requirements.

The alleged ballot box stuffing incident took place just before the city's latest primary election on August 5 - which Musa won with more than 1,129 votes.

The video comes days after two of Musa's councilmen colleagues, Muhtasin Sadman and Mohammed Hassan, were charged over forging ballots in the city's tightly fought 2023 election.

Musa was previously named as 'under investigation' in the same conspiracy - but was not charged at the time.

According to a document by Attorney General Dana Nessel requesting a special prosecutor in the 2023 case, Musa's colleagues 'conspired to receive unvoted absentee ballots that had been signed by recently naturalized citizens.'
The accused then allegedly proceeded to 'fill in the candidates of their choosing' during the city's 2023 elections, according to the document issued in April.

Musa received the most votes in the August 5 primary election, per unofficial election results released on August 6 - receiving 12.5 percent of total votes in a field of 12 candidates.

Of the total 1,129 votes received by Musa, 843 were cast by absentee ballot. The 286 total of election day votes received by Musa is only the fifth-highest tally.

Hamtramck's council was embroiled in the election forgery scandal earlier this year - and Sadman and Hassan were charged on August 11. Musa and another council member, Mohammed Alsomiri, were not charged at the time.

The drama was ramped up when Attorney General Nessel then decided to recuse herself from the investigation because of criticism she had faced in the past.

Nessel, a Jewish lesbian, previously criticized policy positions taken by the Muslim-majority council to ban Pride flags from being flown on city-owned property.

The Michigan Attorney General had also faced harsh scrutiny for her prosecutions of pro-Palestinian protestors at the University of Michigan in the wake of October 7.

Nessel was additionally accused of prosecuting the campus protestors due to 'bias against Muslims and/or people of Arab descent.'

She foresaw similar criticisms coming her way in this ballot forgery case, as five of the defendants 'are of Arab descent' - therefore she removed herself.

Hamtamack, a city in Metro Detroit, has a population just over 28,000 residents, which is over 70 percent Muslim. The city became the first in America to be governed by an all-Muslim council in 2022.

Musa received the most votes in the August 5th primary election, per unofficial election results released on August 6 - receiving 12.5 percent of total votes in a field of 12 candidates

Musa received the most votes in the August 5th primary election, per unofficial election results released on August 6 - receiving 12.5 percent of total votes in a field of 12 candidates

The ballot drop box is seen here. The alleged ballot box stuffing incident took place just before the city's latest primary election on August 5

The ballot drop box is seen here. The alleged ballot box stuffing incident took place just before the city's latest primary election on August 5

Muhtasin Sadman
Mohammed Hassan
Muhtasin Sadman and Mohammed Hassan were charged over forging ballots in the city's tightly-fought 2023 election. The new video, showing their colleague Musa helping stuff ballots into the box, comes just days after they were charged

Detroit's Local 4 News reported that the initial investigation began 'after the city clerk noticed unusual patterns with absentee ballots - including identical handwriting on multiple envelopes and large bundles of ballots submitted at once.'

Hamtramck City Clerk Rana Faraj told Votebeat that 'state laws are clear that your ballot should only be handled by you or a family member,' adding that 'everyone’s cousins around here.'

The council is made up of six members, and three slots are up for election every two years. Members serve four-year terms.

Donald Trump won Michigan's 15 electoral votes in 2024 with 49.7 percent of the votes to Kamala Harris' 48.3 percent.

Hamtramck's Mayor Amer Ghalib made waves last year after endorsing Trump for President as the mayor of America's first Muslim-majority city.

Trump later nominated Ghalib to be the Ambassador to the State of Kuwait.

Daily Mail have contacted Musa for comment.

 

[88m3]

“He’s a war hero because we work together. He’s a war hero. I guess I am, too,” Trump said in an interview.



thehill.com
Trump calls Netanyahu a ‘war hero’ – ‘I guess I am, too’
President Trump said he is a war hero, alongside Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netan

 

[the cac mamba]

I just wanted to make sure that I had your dumb opinion on record.

For anyone following, the overarching lesson to take from the last 2 years, with regards to this specific topic, is: vote blue, despite the fact that

1. Prior to October 7, there was de-facto bipartisan support and acceptance of the situation in Gaza and the West Bank

2. After October 7, the president and his cabinet fully supported Israel's indiscriminate bombing of Gaza, ignoring the mounting death toll of civilians

it's insane that you dishonest clowns think you can just casually skip over October 7th like this

this is why people tell you to get fukked, with your false claims of a moral high ground. nobody believes you. you treat Oct 7th like a "big, beautiful day" instead of the brutal rape/murder and tactical failure that it actually was

if Hamas had israel's firepower, they'd do the exact same thing to israel. and everyone knows it

 

[Outlaw]

Biden failed us. This is on him

The voters who couldn’t see the forest from the trees failed us. It’s on them