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Nah. The issue is that Americans just don't care about that stuff :yeshrug: they're more worried about DEI, owning the libs, and trans issues

At a certain point you just have to come to terms with the fact that the social environment is cooked.
Is that your take from the election when we ran terrible candidates no presidential midterms? If so we're cooked
 

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a lot of well meaning leftists think working class/lower middle class White people actually vote on working class issues, bless their hearts.
I wish it was true :francis: I'm a 2016/2020 Bernie primary voter myself but it's clear that culture war>all else with those voters

Sadly no amount of economic self-interest will change the fact that they see Trump as their representative
The problem is white people aren't financially hurting like that. Just look at the stats

White homeownership rate is 70+%, white families that is worth a million dollar or more is close to 20%, white families that live below the poverty line is only 7-8%, Whites share of the overall wealth in America increase from 65% to 80% in recent years.

Even in California,the place I live, white homeownership rate is 63-65%.

If you look at the stats I posted above there are more white families that are worth a million dollar than there are white families that live below the poverty line.

African american and Hispanic and native American stats are almost the complete opposite of those white stats
 

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Is that your take from the election when we ran terrible candidates no presidential midterms? If so we're cooked

No Dem candidate was worse than Trump or anywhere close :yeshrug: America made its choice

The problem is white people aren't financially hurting like that. Just look at the stats

White homeownership rate is 70+%, white families that is worth a million dollar or more is close to 20%, white families that live below the poverty line is only 7-8%, Whites share of the overall wealth in America increase from 65% to 80% in recent years.

Even in California,the place I live, white homeownership rate is 63-65%.

If you look at the stats I posted above there are more white families that are worth a million dollar than there are white families that live below the poverty line.

African american and Hispanic and native American stats are almost the complete opposite of those white stats

Yup. But the problem is that even with those stats most white people are socialized to think they're being oppressed and immigrants/black people are stealing their jobs/spots in college/etc. There was a poll I saw where most believed that white people were more discriminated against than minorities. So I can't see anything changing they're just going to vote against who they see as opps.
 

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a lot of well meaning leftists think working class/lower middle class White people actually vote on working class issues, bless their hearts.

I wish it was true :francis: I'm a 2016/2020 Bernie primary voter myself but it's clear that culture war>all else with those voters

Sadly no amount of economic self-interest will change the fact that they see Trump as their representative
Politicians just haven’t been talking about class solidarity right. Next time will be the charm :troll:
 

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I wonder how other groups that broke for Trump feel

After Trump’s remarks on Gaza, some in Dearborn, Michigan ‘think we screwed up’​


https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/06/trump-arab-americans-dearborn-michigan-00203018
This is eerie

One leader in Dearborn, granted anonymity to speak candidly, described a sense of remorse among some in the Arab American community who voted for Trump or sat out the election but now “think we screwed up but we’re not going to admit it.”

That’s from February BTW
 

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New Trump vaccine policy limits access to COVID shots​


By MATTHEW PERRONE and LAURAN NEERGAARD

Updated 3:28 PM EDT, May 20, 2025

▶ Follow live updates on President Donald Trump and his administration

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Trump administration said Tuesday it will limit approval for seasonal COVID-19 shots to seniors and others at high risk pending more data on everyone else — raising questions about whether some people who want a vaccine this fall will be able to get one.

Top officials for the Food and Drug Administration laid out new requirements for access to updated COVID shots, saying they’d continue to use a streamlined approach to make them available to adults 65 and older as well as children and younger adults with at least one high-risk health problem.

Food and Drug Administration commissioner Martin Markary speaks during an event with President Donald Trump to sign executive orders and proclamations in the Oval Office of the White House, Monday, May 5, 2025, in Washington. (AP Photo/Alex Brandon)


Food and Drug Administration commissioner Martin Markary speaks during an event with President Donald Trump to sign executive orders and proclamations in the Oval Office of the White House, Monday, May 5, 2025, in Washington. (AP Photo/Alex Brandon)

But the FDA framework, published Tuesday in the New England Journal of Medicine, urges companies to conduct large, lengthy studies before tweaked vaccines can be approved for healthier people. In the paper and a subsequent online webcast, the FDA’s top vaccine official said still, more than 100 million Americans still should qualify for what he termed a booster under the new guidance.

Dr. Vinay Prasad described the new approach as a “compromise” that will allow vaccinations in high-risk groups while generating new data about whether they still benefit healthier people.

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AP AUDIO: New Trump vaccine policy limits access to COVID shots

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“For many Americans we simply do not know the answer as to whether or not they should be getting the seventh or eighth or ninth or tenth COVID-19 booster,” said Prasad, who joined the FDA earlier this month. He previously spent more than a decade in academia, frequently criticizing the FDA’s handling of drug and vaccine approvals.

It’s unclear what the upcoming changes mean for people who may still want a fall COVID-19 shot but don’t clearly fit into one of the categories.

“Is the pharmacist going to determine if you’re in a high-risk group?” asked Dr. Paul Offit, a vaccine expert at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia. “The only thing that can come of this will make vaccines less insurable and less available.”

The nation’s leading pediatrics group said FDA’s approach will limit options for parents and their children.

“If the vaccine were no longer available or covered by insurance, it will take the choice away from families who wish to protect their children from COVID-19, especially among families already facing barriers to care,” said Dr. Sean O’Leary of the American Academy of Pediatrics.

Provisional data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention shows more than 47,000 Americans died from COVID-related causes last year. The virus was the underlying cause for two-thirds of those and it was a contributing factor for the rest. Among them were 231 children whose deaths were deemed COVID-related, 134 of them where the virus was the direct cause -- numbers similar to yearly pediatric deaths from the flu.

The new FDA approach is the culmination of a series of recent steps under Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. scrutinizing the use of COVID shots and raising major questions about the broader availability of vaccines. It was released two days ahead of the first meeting of FDA’s outside vaccine experts under the Trump administration.

Last week the FDA granted full approval of Novavax’s COVID-19 vaccine but with major restrictions on who can get it — and Tuesday’s guidance mirrors those restrictions. The approval came after Trump appointees overruled FDA scientists’ earlier plans to approve the shot without restrictions.

A vial of Moderna COVID-19 vaccine rests on a table at an inoculation station in Jackson, Miss., on July 19, 2022. (AP Photo/Rogelio V. Solis, File)


A vial of Moderna COVID-19 vaccine rests on a table at an inoculation station in Jackson, Miss., on July 19, 2022. (AP Photo/Rogelio V. Solis, File)

Pfizer and Moderna, makers of the most commonly used COVID shots, each said they would continue to work with the agency.

For years, federal health officials have told most Americans to expect annual updates to COVID-19 vaccines, similar to the annual flu shot. Just like with flu vaccines, until now the FDA has approved updated COVID shots so long as they show as much immune protection as the previous year’s version.

But FDA’s new guidance appears to be the end of that approach, according to Prasad and FDA Commissioner Marty Makary, who co-authored the journal paper and joined the FDA webcast.

Prasad and Makary criticized the U.S.’s “one-size-fits-all,” contrasting it with some European countries that recommend boosters based on age, risk and other factors.

Prasad said the FDA will ask all manufacturers to do a new clinical trial in healthy people ages 50 to 64, randomly assigning them to get a vaccine or a placebo and tracking outcomes with special attention to severe disease, hospitalization or death. He said such a study might need to be repeated if there’s a large virus mutation rather than the past year’s incremental evolution. Companies are also free to test their vaccines for approval in younger adults and children, Prasad said, adding “this is a free country.”

Since becoming the nation’s top health official in February, Kennedy has filled the FDA and other health agencies with outspoken critics of the government’s handling of COVID shots, particularly their recommendation for young, healthy people. Under federal procedures, the FDA releases new guidance in draft form and allows the public to comment before finalizing its plans. The publication of Tuesday’s policy in a medical journal is highly unusual and could run afoul of federal procedures, according to FDA experts.

Health experts say there are legitimate questions about how much everyone still benefits from yearly COVID vaccination or whether they should be recommended only for people at increased risk.

In June, an influential panel of advisers to the CDC is set to debate which vaccines should be recommended to which groups.

The FDA’s announcement appears to usurp that advisory panel’s job, Offit said. He added that CDC studies have made clear that booster doses do offer protection against mild to moderate illness for four to six months after the shot even in healthy people.

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The Associated Press Health and Science Department receives support from the Howard Hughes Medical Institute’s Science and Educational Media Group and the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation. The AP is solely responsible for all content.
 

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No Dem candidate was worse than Trump or anywhere close :yeshrug: America made its choice



Yup. But the problem is that even with those stats most white people are socialized to think they're being oppressed and immigrants/black people are stealing their jobs/spots in college/etc. There was a poll I saw where most believed that white people were more discriminated against than minorities. So I can't see anything changing they're just going to vote against who they see as opps.
Man, it aint even that deep.

There are some white people who are racist as fukk and are irredeemable. But there a lot who just hate government due to media and politicians from both parties training us to hate government. And a large chunk of those people don't vote.

I really hate that a lot of you think most American voters are irredeemable and think the best solution is to sit on your hands and whine about it---which tends to happen in this forum.
 

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No Dem candidate was worse than Trump or anywhere close :yeshrug:
I disagree, this is democrat party hubris. Polling has told us since before the midterms that Joe Biden was effectively a worse choice then Donald trump, hence his polling in the fukking 30s.
 
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