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ok, so trump and MAGA being in power isn't that big of a deal. good to know :mjlol:
Very disingenuous take. The fact that you feel the one guy who's sole aim was to dismantle the government so that he can further enrich himself is gonna now help put back in power the party that's for regulating and government in general is very naive.

Your white brethren aren't gonna vote Democrat because your boy Elon throws some money at a candidate. It hasn't even worked this year in the other direction.

It's like yall never learned from the mistakes made by Hillary and Kamala's campaigns. Just run the Biden or Obama playbook. Pretend to be big change for the middle and lower class, take in billionaire money on the sly, and build a huge coalition that wins all down the ticket.
 

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They care more about losing with pride than winning by getting your hands dirty.

Politics is social Darwinism, the sooner leftists understand that the quicker they’ll actually be able to win instead of bytch and whine
This doesn't make any sense either. Historically when Social Darwinism is brought up in politics it pertains to The Gilded Age. Which is pretty telling considering that yall basically want Elon to run the party lol.
 

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This doesn't make any sense either. Historically when Social Darwinism is brought up in politics it pertains to The Gilded Age. Which is pretty telling considering that yall basically want Elon to run the party lol.
Republicans operate under social Darwinism, that’s why they win despite having unpopular policy positions. Leftists are still bytching about 2016 and 2020 because liberals checkmated bernie with politics
 

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Republicans operate under social Darwinism, that’s why they win despite having unpopular policy positions. Leftists are still bytching about 2016 and 2020 because liberals checkmated bernie with politics
The Republicans run on fascist propaganda that's been constructed since the mid 90s. Calling it Social Darwinism is very weak. Which is why the Democrat party in general polling is so damn low. The party's so weak they got yall believing the GOP is stronger so they've survived :mjlol:

No, they've influenced the masses through lies on every type of medium and played into the racism this country was built on to keep lower and middle class whites on their side.

All yalls arguments are just strawmen about Bernie and The Left. Who lost in 2016 and 2024? Who won in 2020? Why were those results different. Obama's and Biden's messages were more inclusive to everyone in the country. Hillary played herself and Kamala allowed the consultants to have her switch up.

Elon's not gonna save anything. And it's very telling considering there's a shyt ton of other billionaire's yall could take money from.
 

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no one said this :mjlol: stop operating in extremes
So what's the strategy then? How do you bring Elon into the fold? I've been asking this for days.

The dude is a drugged up sociopath who needs to control everything. He's also technically the richest man on the planet so you can't really tell him shyt either.

Just lay it out :dame:
 

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The Republicans run on fascist propaganda that's been constructed since the mid 90s. Calling it Social Darwinism is very weak. Which is why the Democrat party in general polling is so damn low. The party's so weak they got yall believing the GOP is stronger so they've survived :mjlol:

No, they've influenced the masses through lies on every type of medium and played into the racism this country was built on to keep lower and middle class whites on their side.

All yalls arguments are just strawmen about Bernie and The Left. Who lost in 2016 and 2024? Who won in 2020? Why were those results different. Obama's and Biden's messages were more inclusive to everyone in the country. Hillary played herself and Kamala allowed the consultants to have her switch up.

Elon's not gonna save anything. And it's very telling considering there's a shyt ton of other billionaire's yall could take money from.
No one is saying Elon is going to save shyt but if we’re trying to save the country from a full fascist takeover, they need every powerful ally that they can get.. you know the one that controls the biggest propaganda platform in the world.

Everything you mention about republicans is social Darwinism in action. They don’t play by any type of “rules” they get dubs by any means necessary even if it’s to pretend to like Elon so that they can use his money to win in 2024 .

Republicans saw the value in allying with in the layman’s eyes an ideological antonym in Elon because it would help them gain more power. Leftist refuse to get their hands dirty even if it means they can ultimately get what they want
 

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So what's the strategy then? How do you bring Elon into the fold? I've been asking this for days.

The dude is a drugged up sociopath who needs to control everything. He's also technically the richest man on the planet so you can't really tell him shyt either.

Just lay it out :dame:
trump is openly shook of Elon working with Democrats. what else do you need to know :mjlol:

i dont care about your moist purity tests
 

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No one is saying Elon is going to save shyt but if we’re trying to save the country from a full fascist takeover, they need every powerful ally that they can get.. you know the one that controls the biggest propaganda platform in the world.

Everything you mention about republicans is social Darwinism in action. They don’t play by any type of “rules” they get dubs by any means necessary even if it’s to pretend to like Elon so that they can use his money to win in 2024 .

Republicans saw the value in allying with in the layman’s eyes an ideological antonym in Elon because it would help them gain more power. Leftist refuse to get their hands dirty even if it means they can ultimately get what they want
Once again tho you're confusing what Social Darwinism is in politics and society in general. What you're advocating for is ideologies like the rich are deserving to be rich. The poor deserve to be poor, eugenics blah blah blah. What we actually should be talking about is the strategy to wield power. Which is not a bad take to say "the left" has never welded power on the scale of a billionaire or president in this country.

I don't believe Elon is gonna put Dems over the top so you're not gonna get me off that. But the future discussion of how moderates, the left, The Democrats or whoever is opposed to Maga can wield power to make gains in the future is worthwhile to me. But, once again Elon is literally one of the worst people in this countries history and is actively hurting black people Memphis so that's a no go for me. Call me a crazy leftist I guess. However, if yall have some Sun Tzu like gameplan for it, spill it out :manny:
 

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Once again tho you're confusing what Social Darwinism is in politics and society in general. What you're advocating for is ideologies like the rich are deserving to be rich. The poor deserve to be poor, eugenics blah blah blah. What we actually should be talking about is the strategy to wield power. Which is not a bad take to say "the left" has never welded power on the scale of a billionaire or president in this country.

I don't believe Elon is gonna put Dems over the top so you're not gonna get me off that. But the future discussion of how moderates, the left, The Democrats or whoever is opposed to Maga can wield power to make gains in the future is worthwhile to me. But, once again Elon is literally one of the worst people in this countries history and is actively hurting black people Memphis so that's a no go for me. Call me a crazy leftist I guess. However, if yall have some Sun Tzu like gameplan for it, spill it out :manny:
I think you’re misunderstanding what I’m saying, I mean Social Darwinism in a metaphorical sense politically not a literal sense from a sociological perspective. Democrats should look to wield power in any way possible as long as it’s not “illegal” they should go about it from a cut throat win/survive by any means necessary not try to win by being more “morally just”.

Elon is a classic narcissist and craves admiration/validation, the smartest thing the Democrats could do right now is to strategize a way where a truce and a soft alliance can be brokered where twitter is either reset to pre-Elon or flip the algorithm where it suppresses right wing voices. The Dems in return could promise more government contracts for space x, starlink or expansion in EV credits.. all three things are congruent with a center left democrat platform
 

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I think you’re misunderstanding what I’m saying, I mean Social Darwinism in a metaphorical sense politically not a literal sense from a sociological perspective. Democrats should look to wield power in any way possible as long as it’s not “illegal” they should go about it from a cut throat win/survive by any means necessary not try to win by being more “morally just”.

Elon is a classic narcissist and craves admiration/validation, the smartest thing the Democrats could do right now is to strategize a way where a truce and a soft alliance can be brokered where twitter is either reset to pre-Elon or flip the algorithm where it suppresses right wing voices. The Dems in return could promise more government contracts for space x, starlink or expansion in EV credits.. all three things are congruent with a center left democrat platform
Valid on the first part. But there is a power in not being a fascist lol. Parts of the Civil Rights Movement and Workers Rights was fought on a sort of morality without being considered "weak." But sometimes you gotta go to war too. So it can go either way.

I don't think Elon is gonna reset Twitter. He's literally transformed it into a Neo-Nazi breeding ground. This is what he wanted. This is what he believes. The Energy subsidies are valid but that's not the only reason he's mad at Trump. He wants government stripped down to the studs. If you can convince this man that cut pediatric cancer research that he should just give you money and be content being a welfare queen is enough then good luck. If that works great.
 

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Valid on the first part. But there is a power in not being a fascist lol. Parts of the Civil Rights Movement and Workers Rights was fought on a sort of morality without being considered "weak." But sometimes you gotta go to war too. So it can go either way.

I don't think Elon is gonna reset Twitter. He's literally transformed it into a Neo-Nazi breeding ground. This is what he wanted. This is what he believes. The Energy subsidies are valid but that's not the only reason he's mad at Trump. He wants government stripped down to the studs. If you can convince this man that cut pediatric cancer research that he should just give you money and be content being a welfare queen is enough then good luck. If that works great.
I think we have a disagreement on Elon’s motivations. I think he’s racist but I also think he’s an autistic incel at heart and was willing to go overboard to be liked by the right wing.

He didn’t do shyt like this when he was in the left wing orbit - I think his daughter turning trans is what made him spiral into an anti woke death spiral where years later he does Nazi salutes

I also think Elon being in MAGA orbit made him more racist to overcompensate versus Elon being in MAGA made them more racist.

By the way, philosophically do you agree with America absorbing Nazi scientists instead of executing them after WW2 ended?
 
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