Geno Smith Or Mark Sanchez?

[Trip]

the problem is that (and I'm using the excuse every Fez fan wants to use for his performance) the Jets need other things as well. That 2nd rounder coulda been a WR, a RB, a TE, O-Line, a corner that we know won't be Revis but can still be good, etc. We used it on someone that may not ever see the field and won't have the balls to keep over Bridgewater or the others should we choose that high, which we will.

Drafting Geno works if you think the team's on its way up. The Jets are still on their way down

If Tannenbaum were still here I'd agree. Finding the QB is by far the most important part of Idzik's job. The best one on the board fell to him in the second round, that's a no brainer. If Geno is the real deal the team is automatically on the rise. Add in the possibility of a super unit dline, that's very young- there are some good things here. You can tell there's a plan. In 2011 and 2012 the plan was talking about two AFC title games they participated in.

 

[beanz]

sanchez, at his best, is a game manager with a penchant for turning the ball over.

that's worst qb in the league type attributes.

any qb will play better if they're put into a better situation. that's not really indicative of sanchez's talents.

why bother giving another opportunity to a quarterback whose ceiling is "well if the jets run more and have an elite defense.."

i feel u but if those things are working, it gives a qb confidence and makes him better. if his confidence is shot and he isnt even 5 yrs in, theres almost no coming back from that. 4 yrs of elite defense and great running game would have given the guy 4 yrs of confidence and playoff experience.

that said, no he isnt the qb of the future obviously at this point but give him another year while geno learns the offense instead of throwing geno to the wolves with a mediocre supporting cast on offense. qbs are divas and u kinda have to do what u can to give them some confidence.

 

[tremonthustler1]

If Tannenbaum were still here I'd agree. Finding the QB is by far the most important part of Idzik's job. The best one on the board fell to him in the second round, that's a no brainer. Add in the possibility of a super unit dline, that's very young- there are some good things here.

I actually disagree in a way The most important part of Idzik's job is to find late gems that can produce because the team is not gonna be able to financially sustain any window of opportunity without that. The Jets are awful with late picks and UDFA's. Part of why the last window of opportunity was so short was because Tannenbaum didn't give a fukk about late picks. If the Jets have to keep relying on a first or 2nd rounder everywhere to make them good, that's a hard team to sustain. It's the gems that turn out to be good that can allow a franchise QB to have more time to go out and win.

 

[Trip]

I actually disagree in a way The most important part of Idzik's job is to find late gems that can produce because the team is not gonna be able to financially sustain any window of opportunity without that. The Jets are awful with late picks and UDFA's. Part of why the last window of opportunity was so short was because Tannenbaum didn't give a fukk about late picks. If the Jets have to keep relying on a first or 2nd rounder everywhere to make them good, that's a hard team to sustain. It's the gems that turn out to be good that can allow a franchise QB to have more time to go out and win.

Its tough finding late round picks on offense, aside from backs and guards that produce consistently. No team hits with their late round picks consistently. I'd agree they need to hold on to them, which I think they will with Idzik. LAte round picks also look a hell of a lot better with competent QB play

Rex can find a CB on a sandlot somewhere if he had to. interior defensive linemen too.,

 

[tremonthustler1]

Its tough finding late round picks on offense, aside from backs and guards that produce consistently. No team hits with their late round picks consistently. I'd agree they need to hold on to them, which I think they will with Idzik. LAte round picks also look a hell of a lot better with competent QB play

Rex can find a CB on a sandlot somewhere if he had to. interior defensive linemen too.,

So why did they need the 9th and 14th overall picks to do it?

No team hits on them consistently. We don't hit on them at all. Think about it. There's at least one guy on every team in camp where you're like this guy's been impressive so far. Kerley's been our only late round success story in a way (I'm hoping Josh Bush does the same) in the last few years.

 

[Trip]

So why did they need the 9th and 14th overall picks to do it?

No team hits on them consistently. We don't hit on them at all. Think about it. There's at least one guy on every team in camp where you're like this guy's been impressive so far. Kerley's been our only late round success story in a way (I'm hoping Josh Bush does the same) in the last few years.

Because they were the two best players on the draft board.

Idzik's here to improve the late round picks. Lets see what Antonio Allen is. Bilal Powell too.

 

[NYC Rebel]

It's a need, obviously, but I'm also looking at it from a bigger picture perspective. The team isn't yet set up for a young QB to come in and succeed while developing. Too much dead weight. Another year of "transitioning" which the team said this would be, new coach, new GM is already here, way more cap space, and a boatload of picks. We'd be better suited to surround a QB like Bridgewater next year than Geno right now.

I'm sorry...sitting on your hands and waiting on a QB who may not even be available to you next year is an extremely poor plan. The Jets may very well not be in the position next year to set up a young QB. You take whats available to you when there...period.

 

[Shogun]

Geno will never have to worry about this.

And as far as giving Fez a chance, at this point you almost don't want him to succeed. What's the gain?

New York can be a tough place for rookie to go through growing pains

Plus, I don't see any gain to starting Geno right away. I'm pretty confident it will go down like that....fez taking the first half or so, Geno wrapping the season up.

 

[Frump]

I actually disagree in a way The most important part of Idzik's job is to find late gems that can produce because the team is not gonna be able to financially sustain any window of opportunity without that. The Jets are awful with late picks and UDFA's. Part of why the last window of opportunity was so short was because Tannenbaum didn't give a fukk about late picks. If the Jets have to keep relying on a first or 2nd rounder everywhere to make them good, that's a hard team to sustain. It's the gems that turn out to be good that can allow a franchise QB to have more time to go out and win.

Its a qb league you NEED to find one before anyhting else all the late round picks you talk of are not nearly as important

if Genos the real deal youre set,and it cleans up alot of flaws/holes

Look at the teams that win they are all flawed every nfl team is mediocre in alot of places because of the hard cap, the Ravens won because Flacco went apeshyt their defense was old and not all that great

You dont try to cover up every hole and THEN go after the qb you have it ass backwards because in this league you are always gonna have holes with the cap.

A very good/great qb makes it to where every year youre at least competitve and once you get to the playoffs anyhting can happen

 

[tremonthustler1]

Its a qb league you NEED to find one before anyhting else all the late round picks you talk of are not nearly as important

if Genos the real deal youre set,and it cleans up alot of flaws/holes

Look at the teams that win they are all flawed every nfl team is mediocre in alot of places because of the hard cap, the Ravens won because Flacco went apeshyt their defense was old and not all that great

You dont try to cover up every hole and THEN go after the qb you have it ass backwards because in this league you are always gonna have holes with the cap.

A very good/great qb makes it to where every year youre at least competitve and once you get to the playoffs anyhting can happen

I don't disagree. What I'm saying is whether Geno's playing or not, this year's team isn't gonna do shyt. Starting Geno at best gets us the record we had a year ago. Starting Fez puts us in Bridgewater /Boyd territory. I'm not saying Geno sucks. What I'm saying is I don't want the Jets to be put in a position where they blew a pick on something they were gonna get just by playing Fez every game. If anything, how does this team NOT wind up picking high enough to land Bridgewater by starting Fez?

 

[NYC Rebel]

I don't disagree. What I'm saying is whether Geno's playing or not, this year's team isn't gonna do shyt. Starting Geno at best gets us the record we had a year ago. Starting Fez puts us in Bridgewater /Boyd territory. I'm not saying Geno sucks. What I'm saying is I don't want the Jets to be put in a position where they blew a pick on something they were gonna get just by playing Fez every game. If anything, how does this team NOT wind up picking high enough to land Bridgewater by starting Fez?

Bridgewater tears his rotator cuff in college and then what happens to your plan?

For as much as we may love Bridgewater, planning with him on mind before this season starts is careless as fukk.

 

[King Biko]

Geno Smith

Though its not because I like him or think he’s a better option than Sanchez. Truth is I’m not sold on Geno and didn’t want the Jets to draft a QB this year. Wanted them stick with what they have and wait until 2014 to draft one, when the draft class is much deeper. That’s what the Jags are doing, which is a smart move.

Might as well stick Geno in early and see what hes got. If he succeeds, we have our future QB. If not, then we can just draft a better one next year.

Damn u would only give a rookie qb his rookie season to prove himself

 

[Trip]

Damn u would only give a rookie qb his rookie season to prove himself

drafting a QB next year doesnt mean the teams giving up on Geno either. The wage scale helps a lot too obviously.

 

[King Biko]

drafting a QB next year doesnt mean the teams giving up on Geno either. The wage scale helps a lot too obviously.

True

 

[tremonthustler1]

Bridgewater tears his rotator cuff in college and then what happens to your plan?

For as much as we may love Bridgewater, planning with him on mind before this season starts is careless as fukk.

We follow your logic, which is draft another QB anyway. Or, Geno underperforms AND Bridgewater get hurt, then everyone loses.

The scenario I wanna avoid is the Jets picking at #2 and we pass up this savior QB because we wanna see what Geno can do even though we don't know for sure whether he's the guy, or like that time where we picked up a bullshyt OT win at the end of the season during Herm's tenure that cost us a shot at Bush /Vince Young. This team does this too much.

If the Jets wanna bet the house on Geno (which I'm not against), then cool, but I don't wanna hear about this QB competition anymore and just play the guy. We'll still suck, but at least we'll know what's there. What would help us learn more about Geno now is if some of these players like Hill, maybe Bilal, some UDFA or late pick steps up, now and going forward.