So what is your take on this regarding the infos we currently have ? You seem to be in this field so your thoughts would be appreciated.
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Germanwings A320 plane crash in southern France (150 dead) update:co-pilot deliberately crashed it
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RealAssanova
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i tagged you in the other forum fam.
Berniewood Hogan
IT'S BERNIE SANDERS WITH A STEEL CHAIR!
HE CRASHED THE PLANE INTO A MOUNTAIN, BROTHER! DO YOU THINK HE WAS TRYING TO TERRORIZE GOATS, DUDE?
*cleaned the thread*
I imagine you're talking about TLR. If so, I banned myself from this sub so I can't read it neither receive get alerts from tags. If you feel like it, could you copy/paste your reply here ?
Do you have knowledge of a motive or a cause to label this terrorism ?
Smart man. You think it's possible I could banned from there as well, wit an exception to the gym....
EgyptAir Flight 900 this is almost exactly like it...
We'll never know, like the Egypt flight there was deliberate action taken by the officer that brought the plane down...however they don't know why he did it.
Ask in Event Staff. But once you're banned from the main sub, you're also banned from the sub-subs so bye bye Salon, Gym and Show Room too. Choose wisely.
RealAssanova
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@Liu Kang
dude checked out way before the flight even pushed back, so it likely was planned. However, i doubt investigators will recover any evidence of it as i assumed he kept it to himself.
as for the timing, it was roughly 25-30 mins after departure, so at a relatively low stressful stage of flight. Take-off up until cruise and descent till landing are the 2 most stressful stages of flight and requires all of the crew's undivided attention. So the captain was totally fine and legally allowed to leave his position for the bathroom and i'm thinking the first-officer even recommended he do so (hence the sound of the chair moving back). It was at this point that the first-officer locked the door and initiated the descent.
i'm not sure how it is on boeing, but on airbus, the lever is located on the lower section of the panel on the captains side. Three switch lever: unlock, norm and lock. If in the norm position, once a person leaves the cockpit, they will be able to re-enter it using an access code or another method. However, if in "lock", there is no way anyone is getting inside...code, the other method or not.
more so for rogue if your based outta NBO as this took place in africa....there was a more recent accident in 2013 involving a pilot suicide. TM-470.
what i see happening in the future:
- Sterile Cockpit Rules being revamped. Completely. Having an extra crew member in the flight deck once another leaves being mandatory and crew being trained on what to do in the event such as this unfortunate one happens (only drawback here is, if a pilot is hell bent on comitting suicide, he/she can and will do anything in their power to over power the other person, including killing him/her to take control of that flight)
- Live (real time transmission recording) camera's in the cockpit
- Remote flight monitoring and pilot override (sorta like how they operate drones)
the affect? pilots becoming less important, perhaps pay being slashed or even worst, the career being completely replaced (highly unlikely).
in any case, it really will now be about seeking a balance between safety and security. Airlines will be carefully watching how this investigation unfolds and I see major changes in the industry happening after this.
dude checked out way before the flight even pushed back, so it likely was planned. However, i doubt investigators will recover any evidence of it as i assumed he kept it to himself.
as for the timing, it was roughly 25-30 mins after departure, so at a relatively low stressful stage of flight. Take-off up until cruise and descent till landing are the 2 most stressful stages of flight and requires all of the crew's undivided attention. So the captain was totally fine and legally allowed to leave his position for the bathroom and i'm thinking the first-officer even recommended he do so (hence the sound of the chair moving back). It was at this point that the first-officer locked the door and initiated the descent.
i'm not sure how it is on boeing, but on airbus, the lever is located on the lower section of the panel on the captains side. Three switch lever: unlock, norm and lock. If in the norm position, once a person leaves the cockpit, they will be able to re-enter it using an access code or another method. However, if in "lock", there is no way anyone is getting inside...code, the other method or not.
more so for rogue if your based outta NBO as this took place in africa....there was a more recent accident in 2013 involving a pilot suicide. TM-470.
again, we can see the flip side of the same measures implemented to protect us from terrorists post 9-11.A LAM Linhas Aereas de Mocambique Embraer ERJ-190, registration C9-EMC performing flight TM-470 from Maputo (Mozambique) to Luanda (Angola) with 28 passengers and 6 crew, was enroute at FL380 over northern Botswana in clear weather when the aircraft suddenly began to descend at about 6000 feet per minute until radar contact and radio contact was lost with the aircraft at about 11:30Z
On Dec 21st 2013 Mozambique's Civil Aviation Authority reported in a press conference (the preliminary report has not yet been released by Namibia's Accident Investigation Commission), that cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder revealed, that the captain was alone on the flight deck, banging on the flight deck door could be heard on the cockpit voice recorder. The autoflight systems (autothrottle and autopilot) were engaged. There were sounds and clicks consistent with a person knowledgeable of the aircraft systems commanding the engines to idle thrust and selecting the autoflight systems into a descent at 6000 feet per minute. Numerous warnings and alerts were not responded to.
what i see happening in the future:
- Sterile Cockpit Rules being revamped. Completely. Having an extra crew member in the flight deck once another leaves being mandatory and crew being trained on what to do in the event such as this unfortunate one happens (only drawback here is, if a pilot is hell bent on comitting suicide, he/she can and will do anything in their power to over power the other person, including killing him/her to take control of that flight)
- Live (real time transmission recording) camera's in the cockpit
- Remote flight monitoring and pilot override (sorta like how they operate drones)
the affect? pilots becoming less important, perhaps pay being slashed or even worst, the career being completely replaced (highly unlikely).
in any case, it really will now be about seeking a balance between safety and security. Airlines will be carefully watching how this investigation unfolds and I see major changes in the industry happening after this.
i've read there being protocol at least in america for the flight attendants to use their drink carts to actually create a physical barricade so when the pilot who left to use the rest room returns and has to momentarily open the door to the cockpit someone can't just rush in there....
its really staggering how all of this would have been avoided if the airlines simply built these planes to have a little toilet in the cockpit.
.... the room needed to build a seperate compartment for this would have only needed to be no bigger than a simple porta potty that you find anywhere.... all those lives lost and ridiculous protocols with things like drink cart barricades just because the airlines couldnt come out of their pocket to redesign these planes with one extra toilet...
its really staggering how all of this would have been avoided if the airlines simply built these planes to have a little toilet in the cockpit.
.... the room needed to build a seperate compartment for this would have only needed to be no bigger than a simple porta potty that you find anywhere.... all those lives lost and ridiculous protocols with things like drink cart barricades just because the airlines couldnt come out of their pocket to redesign these planes with one extra toilet...
RealAssanova
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like with most things, it all simply boils down to one thing: cost.
think about how many planes are currently serviceable...now take that X by cost per toilet + maintenence fees, etc.
this isnt an isolated incident. there is a history of suicidal pilots crashing planes. statistically there was a slight chance this kind of thing was eventually going to happen, and therefore statistically, its something that still will continue to happen. good design is supposed to plan for this. it did'nt and now the slight statistical chance for it to happen again persists. out of enough pilots there will be one that is suicidal whether that number is ten or a million. there is a fundamental flaw that will always statistically emerge in the way these airplanes are designed. to think that fundamental flaw was a toilet.... is repulsive....
you're saying that an extra toilet would cost too much for the airlines to fix a fundamental flaw in their entire system?
da fukk happen to simply eating your gun or jumping off a bridge
why it gotta be all that?