Germany Just Abolished College Tuition Fees

[MidwestD]

Well why don't we go back to the 1700s and just abolish funding for public education alltogether. No vouchers, subsidies...nothing.

Let citizens invest in their own future. Let them start in Kindergarten. It builds character.

well if those kindergartners want a good education, they need to pull themselves up by the bootstraps. They should be doing a few hours
in a coal mine before school

 

[DEAD7]

:deaddesean: that never ending Dead7 empty talk that goes in circles

 

[DEAD7]

Straight to children in coal mines

 

[PunxsutawneyKILL]

So, if your're a american, do not choose Frankfurt in your first oppinion...
There are many more Citys, where you can live much better.

Frankfurt is expensive to live, because there are all big banks and the most People work but don't live there. It's not very beautiful at all. Ok, maybe as a american you like Mainhattan ... but as a german, i can tell you,
that no one really likes this "big" City Feeling. And at the Central Station are the most fukked up guys i've ever seen.

So, if you want to travel / come to Germany - Choose Berlin or Hamburg.

 

[Robbie3000]

I just dont think its always going to yield better

 

[Denzel_Saucegton]

Whats poppin germany!

 

[karim]

I've been branching out from the echo chamber

... and there is no such thing as "free" anything(IMO).
I'm @ how germany is slowly abandoning what made it the EU's power house and becoming more like the rest of europe.
Only time will tell though... it could be for the better, who knows anymore.

you know nothing.

germany had free education ever since the end of the second world war until more or less ten years ago. neoliberals were pushing hard for tuition fees and they were introduced between 2003 and 2005. the german population never accepted them, which resulted in election defeats for the regional governments who had introduced them. the first thing new governments did was get rid of university tuition. it's a trend that started in 2008. lower saxony is only the last region to do it.

germany currently is a powerhouse in the eu because it's industry produces luxury vehicles, heavy machinery and weapons. these are goods that the emerging powers need (machinery) or desire (luxury vehicles and weapons) but cannot produce on their own, and therefore buy in bulk from germany. germanys economic model has always been highly corporatist, relying on a strong state and what germans call a social market economy. social market economy means that capitalism is regulated and wealth redistributed. as part of this model, workers get well trained and well payed by their employers. in return they are loyal to their company, allowing said company to profit from their employees knowledge and experience. another part of the social market economy model is free education. since germany is low in natural resources, it needs a well educated population, because it's industry is dependend on innovation and high level engineering. in short, the more people that are university educated, the better for germany. tuition fees were a step in the wrong direction, and therefore rightfully abolished after a short period of time.

 

[karim]

You wouldn't know it but all the Caribbean nations know its there just in case.


That's right, until they don't have the supplies or equipment to recover from a natural disaster... because Germany doesn't meddle in their affairs. They don't even send help or money.

http://www.bmz.de/en/ministry/budget/

in addition, germany, as the largest member state, is the biggest contributer to the eu budget. the eu is the largest development cooperation doner in the world.

http://epthinktank.eu/2014/02/13/the-development-cooperation-instrument/

 

[Ghanaman styling...]

All jokes aside, I don't think I've ever seen a nation with more hype and hot air surrounding it, with the resources and know-how to boot, and has yet to ever truly and successfully deliver and live up to the hype. This measure sounds nice in practice, but I question its sustainability and practicability, because it sounds much too idealistic and has done nothing for the countries that have promoted it.

Okay, so in theory everyone will have access to higher education. But does this translate into everyone having an opportunity to succeed and becoming a productive member to the benefit of their society and nation? Being educated does not equal being successful or productive in the real world, not to mention that there aren't enough jobs -- good, well-paying ones -- for everyone. Does this allow students from poor backgrounds to break through the deeply entrenched and well-established class and even racial barriers of their societies to become productive members, or is it just back to mediocrity and feeling disillusioned and entitled to more than what's available to them because they're educated while living off the government? An angry underclass that had a taste of what the upper classes experience (that the government allowed them to experience), but there's a glass ceiling in real life that the government didn't tell them about that excludes them, and they want more because the government told them they are entitled to more while giving them a prolonged preview of what they could attain to be successful if they had a better lot in life? That sounds like a recipe for disaster and conflict, like the snake eating its own tail. What's the point of "freely" educating everyone when only the few with the complexion, the right social class, and the adequate monetary means more often than not are going to be the ones ending up succeeding in life and contributing to society, even in Germany? How is this beneficial for the lower classes and not arguably a colossal waste of money and potentially the seeds for an ugly confrontation and great social unrest? It's nice in theory, but it's a circle in futility and has potential to be a mess applied practically in the long run because it goes against the harsh realities of humankind.

It is amusing though how this is the country Europe looks towards to upset the power balance when it wasn't too long ago when they viewed Germany as the insecure try-hard who brought nothing but death and the destruction of Europe's hold on the world. Anything to topple America, I guess. At least China's actions had more meat to them and remained in the realm of the believable.

I just logged in to say this is the worst fukking dung i've had the displeasure of reading in a while. Nobody is claiming education will totally erase class and even racial barriers for everyone but a better educated populace can steer a nation in the right direction. Quality higher education will most likely equip the least in society to navigate around some barriers.
Higher education has been free in most parts of Europe. Hell i even had my masters degree in France at a total cost of less than 1500 (edit: 1000) euros for the two years. It has been sustained in many European countries for decades now.
And who the fact is talking about toppling America? The things that might cause the fall of the US are its racism towards a section of its citizenry, corporations being allowed to rape the country and its desire to mess with people who just want to be left the fukk alone.
Access to quality education and health care are things any truly civilized society regards as sacrosanct.

 

[DEAD7]

you know nothing.

germany had free education ever since the end of the second world war until more or less ten years ago. neoliberals were pushing hard for tuition fees and they were introduced between 2003 and 2005. the german population never accepted them, which resulted in election defeats for the regional governments who had introduced them. the first thing new governments did was get rid of university tuition. it's a trend that started in 2008. lower saxony is only the last region to do it.

germany currently is a powerhouse in the eu because it's industry produces luxury vehicles, heavy machinery and weapons. these are goods that the emerging powers need (machinery) or desire (luxury vehicles and weapons) but cannot produce on their own, and therefore buy in bulk from germany. germanys economic model has always been highly corporatist, relying on a strong state and what germans call a social market economy. social market economy means that capitalism is regulated and wealth redistributed. as part of this model, workers get well trained and well payed by their employers. in return they are loyal to their company, allowing said company to profit from their employees knowledge and experience. another part of the social market economy model is free education. since germany is low in natural resources, it needs a well educated population, because it's industry is dependend on innovation and high level engineering. in short, the more people that are university educated, the better for germany. tuition fees were a step in the wrong direction, and therefore rightfully abolished after a short period of time.

Apparently I need to sh*t the f*ck up.
Thanks for dropping that knowledge, dapped and repped.

 

[Spiritual Stratocaster]

I honestly think if America was a homogeneous white country like Scandanavia, we would have a much more robust welfare state.

I think there are a lot of programs that are not enacted because some people have this notion Black people will be the main beneficiaries and will be taking away from "Hard working Americans"

So they cut off their noses to spite their face.

Truman actually tried to pass universal healthcare and the south fought against it because they would have had to integrate their hospitals. Which was ironic because the south was the poorest region and had the worst healthcare In the nation.

I find it mind boggling that at a time when other nations are placing such a high priority on educating their workforce and not saddling the youth with debt, we seem to not give a fukk. It is sad actually.

fukkING THIS..

I know several cacs that will refuse to take food stamps,unemployment,welfare even if they qualify.

It's like it destroys their fantasy that they're superior than blacks when they have to accept government assistance....they're all about busting their ass and dying for their country,but wanting nothing in return,like that makes them better.

 

[tmonster]

I just logged in to say this is the worst fukking dung i've had the displeasure of reading in a while. Nobody is claiming education will totally erase class and even racial barriers for everyone but a better educated populace can steer a nation in the right direction. Quality higher education will most likely equip the least in society to navigate around some barriers.
Higher education has been free in most parts of Europe. Hell i even had my masters degree in France at a total cost of less than 1500 euros for the two years. It has been sustained in many European countries for decades now.
And who the fact is talking about toppling America? The things that might cause the fall of the US are its racism towards a section of its citizenry, corporations being allowed to rape the country and its desire to mess with people who just want to be left the fukk alone.
Access to quality education and health care are things any truly civilized society regards as sacrosanct.

so well said it bought a tear to eye

 

[Spiritual Stratocaster]

you know nothing.

germany had free education ever since the end of the second world war until more or less ten years ago. neoliberals were pushing hard for tuition fees and they were introduced between 2003 and 2005. the german population never accepted them, which resulted in election defeats for the regional governments who had introduced them. the first thing new governments did was get rid of university tuition. it's a trend that started in 2008. lower saxony is only the last region to do it.

germany currently is a powerhouse in the eu because it's industry produces luxury vehicles, heavy machinery and weapons. these are goods that the emerging powers need (machinery) or desire (luxury vehicles and weapons) but cannot produce on their own, and therefore buy in bulk from germany. germanys economic model has always been highly corporatist, relying on a strong state and what germans call a social market economy. social market economy means that capitalism is regulated and wealth redistributed. as part of this model, workers get well trained and well payed by their employers. in return they are loyal to their company, allowing said company to profit from their employees knowledge and experience. another part of the social market economy model is free education. since germany is low in natural resources, it needs a well educated population, because it's industry is dependend on innovation and high level engineering. in short, the more people that are university educated, the better for germany. tuition fees were a step in the wrong direction, and therefore rightfully abolished after a short period of time.

repped.

 

[tmonster]

I honestly think if America was a homogeneous white country like Scandanavia, we would have a much more robust welfare state.

I think there are a lot of programs that are not enacted because some people have this notion Black people will be the main beneficiaries and will be taking away from "Hard working Americans"

So they cut off their noses to spite their face.

Truman actually tried to pass universal healthcare and the south fought against it because they would have had to integrate their hospitals. Which was ironic because the south was the poorest region and had the worst healthcare In the nation.

I find it mind boggling that at a time when other nations are placing such a high priority on educating their workforce and not saddling the youth with debt, we seem to not give a fukk. It is sad actually.

fukkING THIS..

I know several cacs that will refuse to take food stamps,unemployment,welfare even if they qualify.

It's like it destroys their fantasy that they're superior than blacks when they have to accept government assistance....they're all about busting their ass and dying for their country,but wanting nothing in return,like that makes them better.

You can sort of see a microcosmic metaphor in how the republicans treat Obama, they would rather blow up the gov then let him shine at all
same idea goes for the populace, The hate is so deep shyt is fukked up

 

[tmonster]

you know nothing.

germany had free education ever since the end of the second world war until more or less ten years ago. neoliberals were pushing hard for tuition fees and they were introduced between 2003 and 2005. the german population never accepted them, which resulted in election defeats for the regional governments who had introduced them. the first thing new governments did was get rid of university tuition. it's a trend that started in 2008. lower saxony is only the last region to do it.

germany currently is a powerhouse in the eu because it's industry produces luxury vehicles, heavy machinery and weapons. these are goods that the emerging powers need (machinery) or desire (luxury vehicles and weapons) but cannot produce on their own, and therefore buy in bulk from germany. germanys economic model has always been highly corporatist, relying on a strong state and what germans call a social market economy. social market economy means that capitalism is regulated and wealth redistributed. as part of this model, workers get well trained and well payed by their employers. in return they are loyal to their company, allowing said company to profit from their employees knowledge and experience. another part of the social market economy model is free education. since germany is low in natural resources, it needs a well educated population, because it's industry is dependend on innovation and high level engineering. in short, the more people that are university educated, the better for germany. tuition fees were a step in the wrong direction, and therefore rightfully abolished after a short period of time.

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