Germany Just Abolished College Tuition Fees

tmonster

Superstar
Joined
Nov 26, 2013
Messages
17,900
Reputation
3,205
Daps
31,792
I just logged in to say this is the worst fukking dung i've had the displeasure of reading in a while. Nobody is claiming education will totally erase class and even racial barriers for everyone but a better educated populace can steer a nation in the right direction. Quality higher education will most likely equip the least in society to navigate around some barriers.
Higher education has been free in most parts of Europe. Hell i even had my masters degree in France at a total cost of less than 1500 (edit: 1000) euros for the two years. It has been sustained in many European countries for decades now.
And who the fact is talking about toppling America? The things that might cause the fall of the US are its racism towards a section of its citizenry, corporations being allowed to rape the country and its desire to mess with people who just want to be left the fukk alone.
Access to quality education and health care are things any truly civilized society regards as sacrosanct.
the ether continues so unimpeded...:wow:
 

unit321

Hong Kong Phooey
Joined
May 2, 2012
Messages
22,213
Reputation
1,727
Daps
23,107
Reppin
USA

karim

Superstar
Joined
Dec 2, 2012
Messages
11,968
Reputation
-4
Daps
44,986
Reppin
NULL
:beli: Germany does not have anything close to the Monroe Doctrine where acts of aggression require a military response.
:usure: my response was aimed at your claim that germany didn't send aid to haiti when it did.

the monroe doctrine is not meant to protect other countries, it means latin america is a backyard of the us where they can do as they please. it basically says hands off us property. none of those countries consider the us their protector.

the us is a hegemon, that means on the one hand it provides protection for less powerful countries (among them germany), on the other hand it makes the rules others have to follow and benefits from that position. it's basically a friendly extortion scheme. as a hegemon, the us has no interest of other countries (e.g. germany) being in a position to offer protection to others because it would threaten their position as hegemon.
 

unit321

Hong Kong Phooey
Joined
May 2, 2012
Messages
22,213
Reputation
1,727
Daps
23,107
Reppin
USA
:usure: my response was aimed at your claim that germany didn't send aid to haiti when it did.

the monroe doctrine is not meant to protect other countries, it means latin america is a backyard of the us where they can do as they please. it basically says hands off us property. none of those countries consider the us their protector.

the us is a hegemon, that means on the one hand it provides protection for less powerful countries (among them germany), on the other hand it makes the rules others have to follow and benefits from that position. it's basically a friendly extortion scheme. as a hegemon, the us has no interest of other countries (e.g. germany) being in a position to offer protection to others because it would threaten their position as hegemon.

gaming-pokemon-x-and-y-artwork-3.jpg
 

Fujiman

Rookie
Joined
Mar 7, 2013
Messages
206
Reputation
30
Daps
127
Reppin
NULL
So I guess we are overlooking the fact we can get a top 50 education for free and see and experience most of Europe in the process. That is priceless. A lot or most of these universities teach strictly in English. All you have to do is pay for your food and housing. You are in Europe so traveling to other countries like Spain and Switzerland is easy and cheap. Holiday coming...fukk it I am going to kick it in France. Your passport will be looking :ohlawd: by the time you graduate. It can't be that bad. All the brehs I know that are or were stationed in Germany loved it. It's an interesting option.
 

null

...
Joined
Nov 12, 2014
Messages
33,995
Reputation
6,675
Daps
52,444
Reppin
UK, DE, GY, DMV
:mjlol: you know nothing.

germany had free education ever since the end of the second world war until more or less ten years ago. neoliberals were pushing hard for tuition fees and they were introduced between 2003 and 2005. the german population never accepted them, which resulted in election defeats for the regional governments who had introduced them. the first thing new governments did was get rid of university tuition. it's a trend that started in 2008. lower saxony is only the last region to do it.

germany currently is a powerhouse in the eu because it's industry produces luxury vehicles, heavy machinery and weapons. these are goods that the emerging powers need (machinery) or desire (luxury vehicles and weapons) but cannot produce on their own, and therefore buy in bulk from germany. germanys economic model has always been highly corporatist, relying on a strong state and what germans call a social market economy. social market economy means that capitalism is regulated and wealth redistributed. as part of this model, workers get well trained and well payed by their employers. in return they are loyal to their company, allowing said company to profit from their employees knowledge and experience. another part of the social market economy model is free education. since germany is low in natural resources, it needs a well educated population, because it's industry is dependend on innovation and high level engineering. in short, the more people that are university educated, the better for germany. tuition fees were a step in the wrong direction, and therefore rightfully abolished after a short period of time.

further to this link let me know what about it is BS.

4evZdyq.png


https://www.thecoli.com/threads/bre...on-camps-for-refuseniks.827229/#post-40610545

you are not the only one who has lived in germany.

education
germany has relatively low levels of university educated. vocational training is more about "doing" than the fundamentals. the mittelstand and vocational training is the economic differentiator but those are not universally seen as university level academic qualifications. germany also has low university rankings and no real elite universities. this is leading to an economy which refines rather than creates and which is lagging in high tech / new industries.

YqT6LXN.png


economy
germany per-capita output is quite low these days. the great days of west german outperformance are gone. see GDP per-capita. germany has the right focus when it comes to infrastructure and services (which improves the standard of living vs. countries like the uk/france) but is actually failing in terms of income - and this has especially been the case since the early 2000's with HARTZ4 and the push for higher productivity per EUR by keeping wage inflation down esp since around 2008.

deutschland ist ein niedrigloenland geworden. some german links below. i'm guessing you can read them.

1DPeRvql.png


Studie: Löhne in Deutschland sind im EU-Vergleich niedrig - WELT

Studie: So niedrig sind deutsche Renten im Vergleich

JJqg2ry.png


arms exports - historical
6uQZM1om.png


now ..

LXy2j7hm.png
 

null

...
Joined
Nov 12, 2014
Messages
33,995
Reputation
6,675
Daps
52,444
Reppin
UK, DE, GY, DMV
All jokes aside, I don't think I've ever seen a nation with more hype and hot air surrounding it, with the resources and know-how to boot, and has yet to ever truly and successfully deliver and live up to the hype. This measure sounds nice in practice, but I question its sustainability and practicability, because it sounds much too idealistic and has done nothing for the countries that have promoted it.

Okay, so in theory everyone will have access to higher education. But does this translate into everyone having an opportunity to succeed and becoming a productive member to the benefit of their society and nation? Being educated does not equal being successful or productive in the real world, not to mention that there aren't enough jobs -- good, well-paying ones -- for everyone. Does this allow students from poor backgrounds to break through the deeply entrenched and well-established class and even racial barriers of their societies to become productive members, or is it just back to mediocrity and feeling disillusioned and entitled to more than what's available to them because they're educated while living off the government? An angry underclass that had a taste of what the upper classes experience (that the government allowed them to experience), but there's a glass ceiling in real life that the government didn't tell them about that excludes them, and they want more because the government told them they are entitled to more while giving them a prolonged preview of what they could attain to be successful if they had a better lot in life? That sounds like a recipe for disaster and conflict, like the snake eating its own tail. What's the point of "freely" educating everyone when only the few with the complexion, the right social class, and the adequate monetary means more often than not are going to be the ones ending up succeeding in life and contributing to society, even in Germany? How is this beneficial for the lower classes and not arguably a colossal waste of money and potentially the seeds for an ugly confrontation and great social unrest? It's nice in theory, but it's a circle in futility and has potential to be a mess applied practically in the long run because it goes against the harsh realities of humankind.

It is amusing though how this is the country Europe looks towards to upset the power balance when it wasn't too long ago when they viewed Germany as the insecure try-hard who brought nothing but death and the destruction of Europe's hold on the world. Anything to topple America, I guess. At least China's actions had more meat to them and remained in the realm of the believable.

Germany streams people from "undesirable" backgrounds into real-, haupt- and gesamt-schule dead-ends and cul-de-sacs way before they get to university.

And yeah that glass ceiling exists. They even had a problem with a white Swiss guy running Deutsche Bank (Josef Ackermann) back in the days and when an Indian became the heir apparent (via work and promotion in London) Deutsche instituted a twin CEO setup for the first time in its history. A white German (to keep middle Germany from panicking) and an Indian to actually run the bank.

New leadership for Deutsche Bank
 

karim

Superstar
Joined
Dec 2, 2012
Messages
11,968
Reputation
-4
Daps
44,986
Reppin
NULL
further to this link let me know what about it is BS.

4evZdyq.png


https://www.thecoli.com/threads/bre...on-camps-for-refuseniks.827229/#post-40610545

you are not the only one who has lived in germany.

education
germany has relatively low levels of university educated. vocational training is more about "doing" than the fundamentals. the mittelstand and vocational training is the economic differentiator but those are not universally seen as university level academic qualifications. germany also has low university rankings and no real elite universities. this is leading to an economy which refines rather than creates and which is lagging in high tech / new industries.

YqT6LXN.png


economy
germany per-capita output is quite low these days. the great days of west german outperformance are gone. see GDP per-capita. germany has the right focus when it comes to infrastructure and services (which improves the standard of living vs. countries like the uk/france) but is actually failing in terms of income - and this has especially been the case since the early 2000's with HARTZ4 and the push for higher productivity per EUR by keeping wage inflation down esp since around 2008.

deutschland ist ein niedrigloenland geworden. some german links below. i'm guessing you can read them.

1DPeRvql.png


Studie: Löhne in Deutschland sind im EU-Vergleich niedrig - WELT

Studie: So niedrig sind deutsche Renten im Vergleich

JJqg2ry.png


arms exports - historical
6uQZM1om.png


now ..

LXy2j7hm.png
How does this contradict anything I said?
 

null

...
Joined
Nov 12, 2014
Messages
33,995
Reputation
6,675
Daps
52,444
Reppin
UK, DE, GY, DMV
How does this contradict anything I said?

direct refutation of being well paid

well payed by their employers

indirect refutation of Germany's performance is based on university education levels. also contextualisation of "economic powerhouse"

the more people that are university educated,

statement that "I @TENET too ~lived in Germany" - related to your *neg*

4evZdyq.png



-

what about that other thread was BS?
 
Top