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[Ms.CuriousCat]

You really want me to break down the situation in turkey for you? First off, who is "they" who wanted to organize a coup? Second, yes followers of the government and opposition both opposed the coup on the streets because of turkeys history of military rule, but since then the government used the excuse of the coup to destroy all opposition and turned into a fully fledged dictatorship. They forced tens of thousends of people out of their jobs and threw more or less the same amount of people in jail. They used the very same night of the coup to extralegally execute people in the opposition and
everybody who is not a supporter lives in fear now. And on top of that the countries economy sits on a mountain of private debt. People pay of their credit card bills with new credit cards creating an enormous credit bubble which will burst sooner or later and when it does the whole country will go down the drain. On top of that, turkey is engaged in a proxy war with iran, stirred up the conflict with the kurds for reasons of domestic politics and alieanated all of its neighbors to a point where it is now dependent on russia, to which it is basically a useful idiot and which has neither the resources nor cares enough to support turkey once shyt hits the fan politically and financially. Oh and of course, turkey has a history of chauvinist nationalism and racism. So no, it's not awesome and your example was, as i said, stupid

The answer of who was behind the coup will be greeted by many opposing answers. I believe that "they" are people who want to see Turkey burn. Whatever issues may exist regrading the politics of Turkey it's for the Turkish people to sort through. The fact that people lined the streets during the coup was phenomenal and something we can all learn from. That is why I brought it up in this thread.

Finally regarding the Turkish economy, private debt bubbles are the reality in many countries. It's not a Turkish thing. Let me remind you that the Turkish economy growth rate is one of the highest in the world.

You seem to have a strong and negative reaction to this topic. Where is that coming from?

 

[karim]

The answer of who was behind the coup will be greeted by many opposing answers. I believe that "they" are people who want to see Turkey burn. Whatever issues may exist regrading the politics of Turkey it's for the Turkish people to sort through. The fact that people lined the streets during the coup was phenomenal and something we can all learn from. That is why I brought it up in this thread.

Finally regarding the Turkish economy, private debt bubbles are the reality in many countries. It's not a Turkish thing. Let me remind you that the Turkish economy growth rate is one of the highest in the world.

You seem to have a strong and negative reaction to this topic. Where is that coming from?

i don't have a strong negative reaction to turkey, i have a strong negative reaction to conspiracy theories and the simplistic celebration of autocratic leaders who disguise their cleptocracy behind anti-western postures. after colonization, there were two types of autocrats in africa: those who aligned with the west in order to rob their people blind and those who took up an anti-western posture to disguise the fact that they were robbing their people blind.

Spoiler: put this in spoiler because it is ot

turkish economic growth is subsidized by private debt because the presidents popularity is linked to the fact that under his rule, formerly marginalized conservative parts of the population managed to ascent into the middle and upper middle class. they did so because of the "turkish miracle" of huge economic growth since the early 2000's. however, that miracle has ended, and now the government is desperately trying to sustain it, because they know that they will loose massive support once reality sets it. hence the incredible increase in private debt. the longer they keep on doing this, the bigger the bang once the bubble will burst. the government knows this and to prepare for that day, they destroyed turkish democracy and replaced it with an autocratic regime that violently crushes all opposition.

the coup was the result of infighting in the alliance that secured the presidents power, not because outside forces wanted to see turkey burn. nobody wants to see turkey burn, because instability in turkey is a huge security risk for everybody. the presidents party allied with a conservative civil society plattform called the gulenists to fight and ultimatley destroy the power of the old secular kemalist elites. they did so by providing young followers with excellent education and training them to work their way up in the military, judiciary and the civil service. however, once the power of the old elite was broken, the former allies turned on each other and a power struggle began. the party began trying to get rid of gulenists in the military and the bureaucracy. according to the official narrative of the government, gulenists tried to prevent that by overthrowing the governments. the gulenists say that the government staged the coup in order to have an excuse to get rid of them. whatever the case, citizens on the streets or not, the coup would have never been a success, because those who staged it did not have enough support in the military and the planning was incompetent. the government whipped up its supporters to march on the streets and the opposition followed for two reasons: 1. turkey has a history of military coups in which mainly left wing forces in turkish society were killed and tortured, so leftists in turkey oppose military coups as a matter of principal 2. the climate the government created was basically "either you are for us or against us" and they did not want to be seen as supporting a coup that was obviously going to fail. and that is why turkey is not a good example to follow for any african country, because people pouring out in the street in turkey solidified the autocratic rule of a paranoid megalomaniac who is ruining their country.

 

[Ugo Ogugwa]

Talk is cheap.

Look at this bytch azz nikka

 

[Ugo Ogugwa]

Great speech but talk is cheap. The only way they'll be able to cut off western dependence is if they become dependent on China/Russia/India. Get rid of one master only to serve another. They have all the raw materials but can't make anything out of them. So education is key.

You contradicted yourself. The only way is to serve a new master however what happens if they attain the education you mentioned and make use of their raw materials?

 

[MewTwo]

You contradicted yourself. The only way is to serve a new master however what happens if they attain the education you mentioned and make use of their raw materials?

What happens? They wouldn't have to serve a master and can be self reliant.

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

What's the underlying factors that causes every single black country in the world to remain poor & have substandard education

Substandard education in every single black country?



The fukk u get this from?



Education isn't public or free most often but it doesn't mean that it's substandard.. on the contrary Africa produces some of the world's top students. All they need is better access to learning on the continent.