Giannis is this era's Admiral, until further notice...

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i understand your overall point those spurs teams were never as dominant as the recent bucks teams. 94-95 spurs led the nba in wins with 62, but they were only 3rd in point differential and srs in their own conference by a substantial margin. the next year 2nd in the west in wins, but once again only 3rd in point differential and srs. 3rd in net rating in the west both years. contender sure, but they shouldnt have been favorites either year.

compare that to the bucks the 2 years prior to this one and they led the league in wins and were no.1 in every metric by a substantial margin. even this year with them falling back to the 3rd seed they still led the conference in every metric, net rating, point differential, and srs.
 

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You play to be the best and he has the physical tools to be as good as anyone, but his skills are not on the level of other guys of this era (i.e. LeBron, Durant, Kawhi).

These guys play to be the best, and in the league at any given time there are usually no more than 4-6 guys that you can argue are among the best in the world. No great player is playing to be anything less than a top tier superstar.
Again, who put him on the level of those guys? You didn't answer the question.
 

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I'm in agreement.Always said D Rob was the most overrated player of the 90's era.Giannis is his reflection in the 2010's.Shiny stats, but no true glory.

Wow! Overrated? Really?

I watched basketball the entire 90s and after the Dream gave him a nightmare, he seemed to be properly rated. He was typically rated 3rd behind Shaq and Hakeem. And ranked higher than Ewing, Zo, Mutumbo, etc. (granted I'm only speaking on the Center position hierarchy)
 

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Admiral would eat giannis alive 1 on 1 and that’s being nice.
Ain’t to many players seeing admiral tbh
Giannis is good but not that good :huhldup:

That's what I'm saying....just cause D-Rob got washed by Hakeem and never made a Finals without Duncan, doesn't mean he was overrated. I felt he was always properly rated and was often criticized for not making it to an NBA Final.

Getting ya ass bust by Hakeem isn't nothing to be ashamed of.
 

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I'm not gonna argue that Robinson had one of the greatest rosters of that period but it wasn't garbage. Sean Elliott was a 2x All-Star in this era with Robinson and for all intents and purposes, considering it was a slower-paced, more defensively-inclined era, Elliott was the equivalent to Khris Middleton and certainly wasn't some bum, so there's another Giannis/Rob comp (the Middleton/Elliott parallel)...

Those Spurs were also Top 10 units on both ends of the court for a 4-year consecutive stretch from 1992-96 which sounds very similar to Giannis' Bucks of the last 3 years; no one was calling those Spurs rosters trash in the moment. And Robinson's Spurs were an elite defensive team this entire period I defined (his first 8 years)....and yet routinely played subpar despite this every postseason and having easily one of the Top 5 players of the time anchoring their squad...

There's always multiple reasons teams lose so the point isn't that Admiral was the lone reason, ots that HE routinely played below the standards of his regular season self once the Spurs actually had an elite playoff opponent abd stayed getting upstaged by the superstar on the opponent...

Sounds a lot like Giannis and the funny thing is Admiral was shytted on more in real time than Giannis is now, there wasn't all this deflection to his teammates...

Giannis having an Admiral-esque career thru 8 years means he's on an easily HOF-trajectory and likely will end up fairly high on All-Time boards when he retires, but it also means his own limitations at being able to raise his game in the postseason will ultimately impact how his career is viewed in retrospect. He not even getting killed like that, look at this board and the people who deflect blame from him, and look around TV and social media. He gets a minor amount of criticism compared to other players of his caliber and certainly compared to what Admiral got in real time----->time will be less forgiving to Giannis unless he reverses this trend...



This thread just proves the board is overrepresented by a bunch of contextless, comprehension-lacking ass dudes...
You could argue those Spurs teams overachieved in the regular season:

i understand your overall point those spurs teams were never as dominant as the recent bucks teams. 94-95 spurs led the nba in wins with 62, but they were only 3rd in point differential and srs in their own conference by a substantial margin. the next year 2nd in the west in wins, but once again only 3rd in point differential and srs. 3rd in net rating in the west both years. contender sure, but they shouldnt have been favorites either year.

compare that to the bucks the 2 years prior to this one and they led the league in wins and were no.1 in every metric by a substantial margin. even this year with them falling back to the 3rd seed they still led the conference in every metric, net rating, point differential, and srs.

Robinson in the post season lacked a post-game - which is a point of criticism, and is "similar" to Giannis lacking skill. But Giannis's defiencies are worse because he can cost his team games even if his shooters play well or not. He is too limited offensively. Robinson was a great passing big, could cut, slash, ball-handle, so if he had a Vernon Maxwell or Clyde Drexler (yes he was older but still) or a Kenny Smith and Sam Cassell off the bench, I feel like they would bail him out. Those guys were a big reason why Houston won game 2 of the 95 Finals against the Magic.
 

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One thing you guys are forgetting is that DRob's supporting cast was bad, in his prime. Who was he with? Vinny Del Negro? Avery Johnson? He was outplayed by Hakeem, but literally had no help. He had Rodman, but his effectiveness is obviously limited for reasons we all know.

Giannis has an actual good supporting cast. His lack of offensive skill has held them back and killed them in the playoffs the last 3 years.




Spurs retooled their roster and got a good coach before Admiral's rookie year. One of the best set of front office moves in sports history actually. Drafted him, waited......and then assembled a nice squad with Larry Brown.
Got proven vets on the team to compliment the production they expected to get from Admiral. He more than lived up to expectations as a rookie.

Once Magic left, the Lakers dominance of the WCF was over and it was up for grabs in the 90s.

The pre Duncan Spurs had as much talent and continuity as any other WC team, except Mailman/Stockton Jazz.

They could just never get it done in the playoffs. Again, there's not a player of that or any era who could stop prime Admiral. He just either got outplayed by the other team's star, or didn't show up in clutch moments.

That Rockets team wasn't better than the Spurs, on paper. Their star just dominated Drob, and the other Rockets followed his lead.


Agree that Giannis is just offensively limited. Through hard work and a 24/7 motor, he has fully maximized his potential.
The roster of the Bucks doesn't complement his skillset though, in playoff settings. Teams can't just be a stockpile of talented players. You can win games that way, but not championships.


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Ppl getting butthurt dont get the point

Robinson was great,no one is disputing that or denigrating him but

Both are guys who got tons of accolades, put up video games stats but all that doesnt translate to postseason success.

That is the point

Without Timmy,DRob woulda gone ringless

Every year Robinson put up crazy numbers just to fall.on.his face in the playoffs...

Giannis is having the same career pattern.....he needs someone to come in and save him just like Duncan saved Robinson
 

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i understand your overall point those spurs teams were never as dominant as the recent bucks teams. 94-95 spurs led the nba in wins with 62, but they were only 3rd in point differential and srs in their own conference by a substantial margin. the next year 2nd in the west in wins, but once again only 3rd in point differential and srs. 3rd in net rating in the west both years. contender sure, but they shouldnt have been favorites either year.

compare that to the bucks the 2 years prior to this one and they led the league in wins and were no.1 in every metric by a substantial margin. even this year with them falling back to the 3rd seed they still led the conference in every metric, net rating, point differential, and srs.

Hakeem never had a great squad either...his #2 was a past his prime Drexler but he still raised his game and won.
 

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Ppl getting butthurt dont get the point

Robinson was great,no one is disputing that or denigrating him but

Both are guys who got tons of accolades, put up video games stats but all that doesnt translate to postseason success.

That is the point

Without Timmy,DRob woulda gone ringless

Every year Robinson put up crazy numbers just to fall.on.his face in the playoffs...

Giannis is having the same career pattern.....he needs someone to come in and save him just like Duncan saved Robinson
Giannis's teams are good, his failures are him just not being a skilled player, moreso than with Robinson.

The comparison makes sense, I jsut feel you could use a better one :manny:
 

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Spurs retooled their roster and got a good coach before Admiral's rookie year. One of the best set of front office moves in sports history actually. Drafted him, waited......and then assembled a nice squad with Larry Brown.
Got proven vets on the team to compliment the production they expected to get from Admiral. He more than lived up to expectations as a rookie.
Once Magic left, the Lakers dominance of the WCF was over and it was up for grabs in the 90s.

The pre Duncan Spurs had as much talent and continuity as any other team, except Mailman/Stockton Jazz.

They could just never get it done in the playoffs. Again, there's not a player of that or any era who could stop prime Admiral. He just either got outplayed by the other team.s star, or didn't show up in clutch moments.

That Rockets team wasn't better than the Spurs, on paper. Their star just dominated Drob, and the other Rockets followed his lead.


Agree that Giannis is just offensively limited. Through hard work and a 24/7 motor, he has fully maximized his strengths and advantages in the league. The roster of the Bucks doesn't compliment his skillset though, in playoff settings. Teams can't just be a stockpile of talented players. You can win games that way, but not championships.


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The Rockets definitely struggled in the 2nd half of the season after the trade. However, when the playoffs came around the Rockets proved that they just needed some time to gel Drexler into the team.

Who was the 2nd star to compliment Robinson on that 94-95 Spurs team?

On paper, yes the Spurs finished the regular season with a much better record - but on paper the Rockets (with their line-up) should have had a better record. Besides Robinson who on the Spurs was better than Drexler? Drexler was giving you 22, 6 rebounds and 4 assists. Sean Elliot, the Spurs 2nd best player, losses to Drexler on almost every major stat that year.

Rockets also had Cassell coming off the bench who was nearly as productive in his 22 minutes per game as Avery Johnson was getting 38mpg.

Robert Horry was also on that Rockets team. Yes, Spurs finished with a better record, but it's more because the record of the Rockets didn't reflect their true potential as indicated by the playoffs. Mario Ellie and Kenny Smith also came through often in clutch situations.

My point is, who did D Rob have as a second star that era? In the West it was Stockton and Malone, Kemp and Payton, Barkley and Kevin Johnson (Danny Manning was also giving you buckets), Olajuwon and Drexler (during 94-95). It was tough to win without a second legitimate star.
 

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Ppl getting butthurt dont get the point

Robinson was great,no one is disputing that or denigrating him but

Both are guys who got tons of accolades, put up video games stats but all that doesnt translate to postseason success.

That is the point

Without Timmy,DRob woulda gone ringless

Every year Robinson put up crazy numbers just to fall.on.his face in the playoffs...

Giannis is having the same career pattern.....he needs someone to come in and save him just like Duncan saved Robinson

Isn't this the same for almost everyone?
 
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