Gillie Da King Reacts To Wack100 Saying Birdman Is A Real One

[Sbp]

You don’t even believe that Yeah That’s Us was the #2 biggest rap song in summer of 2000, the peak of rap commercial success with songs like Country Grammar, Big Pimpin’, various tracks from Dre’s 2001 and Em’s 2nd album etc all in rotation ... hit rap records were going multi platinum off of pure sales back then...I don’t know what chart or metric you’re using, but I can ensure you it doesn’t mean what you think it means...probably some shyt that tracks adds cause the label was trying make it pop on initial release before seeing it had no traction and letting it flop...cause the very idea that Yeah That’s Us was the 2nd biggest rap at any point is a obscene reimagining of history

Give me a link to “Yeah that’s Us” being on the billboard top 40 (the definition of “hit record” traditionally) and I’ll cash app you $20 right now

That shyt wasn't even the # 2 song on the nightly countdown radio show in Philly

 

[$cam-U-Well_Jack$on]

Nah ....

Y'ALL didn't know who Gillie was. Gtfoh with this bullshyt. You must be young. Gillie and the Figgas was on fire when they came out.

So Stunna gave millions to some unknown Philly nikka?

I don't cosign NONE of the fukk shyt GDK been on as of late, but yall lil nikkas aint gonna come in here and rewrite history.

And yea, I know the 1st figgas album didnt do #'s but dem Philly nikkas bars BEEN respected coast to coast.

True.

 

[Smokin Rider]

Breh i was 19/20 when the Carter 1 came out I listened to that album front to back 1000s of times I don't recall any Philly specific slang being used. Yall cats gonna provide proof or just keep making false statements cuz of what gillie said ?

Funny thing is Gillie said he didn't write anything but coache him on breathe control when pressed in an interview. Gillie a whole clown

 

[360dagod]

Except Gillie ain't godbody ....hell I don't even think he's one of those fake ass philly sunni Muslims either...that was always a reach cause the tangible evidence ain't there...I'd say post Gillie tracks with 5% terminology but nikkas don't actually listen to Gillie songs... At "the Figgas had major buzz back then... Gillie was supposed to be a star"...even on the scale of early aughts random eastcoast generic tough talk mixtape rappers he was a peewee ... During that run he had like a 5 part mixtape series during the heights of the mixtape era...exact same time Wayne was establishing his legendary run and bunch of other rappers built entire careers, and nobody outside of the philly metropolitan area gave a single fukk...nikka been rapping for 25 years but a couple year run being a weed carrier for Cash Money is what stopped him from being a household name?

the ONLY reason he was able to parlay his failed rap career into being a Internet personality was because of the visibility he got from beefing with wayne that allowed him to showcase how entertaining he can be by making funny faces

Come on breh

I was a heavy cmb stan...

This nikka wayne wasnt saying anything remotely close to that realm until gillie and mikkey from Chicago came...

I'm sure Wayne spent time in philly and picked up on shyt...I think Dutch n spade got shoutouts on the carter 1 credits...so he def was around nikkas ..

Gillie and cory gunz are the same in the sense that they are skilled, but lack the commercial makeup to succeed...

 

[nieman]

You don’t even believe that Yeah That’s Us was the #2 biggest rap song in summer of 2000, the peak of rap commercial success with songs like Country Grammar, Big Pimpin’, various tracks from Dre’s 2001 and Em’s 2nd album etc all in rotation ... hit rap records were going multi platinum off of pure sales back then...I don’t know what chart or metric you’re using, but I can ensure you it doesn’t mean what you think it means...probably some shyt that tracks adds cause the label was trying make it pop on initial release before seeing it had no traction and letting it flop...cause the very idea that Yeah That’s Us was the 2nd biggest rap at any point is a obscene reimagining of history

Give me a link to “Yeah that’s Us” being on the billboard top 40 (the definition of “hit record” traditionally) and I’ll cash app you $20 right now

It wasn't mega huge but it was a modest hit. It was a hit enough to at least garner them 1-hit-wonder status, which is more than a lot of the rappers/group from the "generic thug rappers" had, so they were at least a step above that. There were bidding wars for MF & Most Wanted, and the only reason Beans got signed was because Roc got shut down by both. Liva was with Dre, and Dutch & Spade were already on Untertainment, GDK with Suave House...before the Ruffhouse/Ruff Nation deal. Artists from that time, like Papoose, Jinx da Juvy, Mysonne, Ali Vegas, Da Franchise, Gravy, half of Violator didn't even have that.

As for sounding like Jay-Z, I'm from Philly, so I have a bias. While some of Philly did take a little from Jay, Jay took A LOT of style from Philly too. It's hard to tell which influence came first. There was a point where outsiders were saying that people from Philly sounded like Beans, yet Beans never was said to sound like Jay.

 

[Sir Brehsington]

You sound stupid

And you sound uniformed. Just admit you don't know wtf you speaking on, and wasn't into rap when the Figgas was buzzing.

I been said I don't fukk with none of the Gillie antics. Post Cash Money, I haven't heard much of anything from him.

I just speak facts on a time period you clearly missed out on.

It's ok to be wrong son.

 

[Sir Brehsington]

It wasn't mega huge but it was a modest hit. It was a hit enough to at least garner them 1-hit-wonder status, which is more than a lot of the rappers/group from the "generic thug rappers" had, so they were at least a step above that. There were bidding wars for MF & Most Wanted, and the only reason Beans got signed was because Roc got shut down by both. Liva was with Dre, and Dutch & Spade were already on Untertainment, GDK with Suave House...before the Ruffhouse/Ruff Nation deal. Artists from that time, like Papoose, Jinx da Juvy, Mysonne, Ali Vegas, Da Franchise, Gravy, half of Violator didn't even have that.

As for sounding like Jay-Z, I'm from Philly, so I have a bias. While some of Philly did take a little from Jay, Jay took A LOT of style from Philly too. It's hard to tell which influence came first. There was a point where outsiders were saying that people from Philly sounded like Beans, yet Beans never was said to sound like Jay.

Real rap. Philly as a whole was on fire at that time. Major bidding wars.

 

[360dagod]

Honestly it was a genius move bringing gillie into the fold....

Bird and slim did their homework and seen how it could help rebuild Wayne's style...

Wayne's career was on a respirator after 500 degreez..that's not up for debate

Wayne's work ethnic and willingness to get better just took it to another level...

 

[Earnings]

I always felt like this... Wayne been rapping since a kid literally. He don't need nobody to "write" his raps. But the influence undeniable when you look at it from a craft/flow/swag perspective, and less from a "Wayne a superstar, Gillie was a one hit wonder how could he ever write for him" angle.

It was 2 freestyles I seen back in HS () that REALLY showed how his influence rubbed off on Wayne during that C1-C2 era (dragging/slurring words with the flow, Calling trucks "Jeeps" on C2(Philly slang))

These the best examples I could find for now.

I think it's like most things. The truth in the middle and got lost in the madness. Like somebody said... When it was cool, Gillie explained it as a coaching, breath control thing. AKA style absorption. But soon as it was smoke, now all of a sudden he wrote everything for the nikka.

 

[the next guy]

silly

 

[blockboy504]

Man y’all nikkas really don’t know shyt if you wasn’t in New Orleans at the time as Wayne came in the mixtape game.

 

[threattonature]

I personally liked it but ya if we being honest it had a little buzz but it wasn’t anything crazy...and gillie wasn’t necessarily a standout on the track neither

Except Gillie ain't godbody ....hell I don't even think he's one of those fake ass philly sunni Muslims either...that was always a reach cause the tangible evidence ain't there...I'd say post Gillie tracks with 5% terminology but nikkas don't actually listen to Gillie songs... At "the Figgas had major buzz back then... Gillie was supposed to be a star"...even on the scale of early aughts random eastcoast generic tough talk mixtape rappers he was a peewee ... During that run he had like a 5 part mixtape series during the heights of the mixtape era...exact same time Wayne was establishing his legendary run and bunch of other rappers built entire careers, and nobody outside of the philly metropolitan area gave a single fukk...nikka been rapping for 25 years but a couple year run being a weed carrier for Cash Money is what stopped him from being a household name?

the ONLY reason he was able to parlay his failed rap career into being a Internet personality was because of the visibility he got from beefing with wayne that allowed him to showcase how entertaining he can be by making funny faces

...naw I didn't forget about it, it just wasn't worth mentioning or changes what I said in the least bit...



Neither Yeah Thats Us nor Get Down on the Ground were anything approaching "national hits" unless we lower the threshold for what a hit record is to be "was played on rap city for a month" ... in which case we gotta open the books and make basically every song ever aired a "national hit" retroactively...time to give RAM Squad and Cadillac Tah their flowers

Nothing wrong with being a local act, just folks be gassing the hell outta all the "buzz" gillie and the figgas supposedly had...that nikka was at least a dozen alternate universes away from being a "household name" ... and lapped by any number of contemporaries in his lane, in low end random east coast mixtape rapper ranks...

To me people are confusing being hot with buzz. To me Gillie had an industry buzz as an up and comer that may do some things. But IMO he was never hot. To me hot is when it spills over to the fans and at no point in fans eyes was Gillie ever hot or looked at as a big star. I remember Yeah That's Us and it was aight and I don't remember nobody hyping up Gillie from that track and saying he got next. And everybody talks about "bidding wars" but what kind of numbers was behind that bidding war. Was it labels all trying to sign him and he picked the best deal or was it just different labels making standard offers to him and he chose what he thought was best. Huge difference between the two. Cause if it was a huge bidding war and he signed a shyt deal then that makes him look dumb as fukk for not leveraging the bidding war to his favor.

 

[Long Live The Kane]

Come on breh

I was a heavy cmb stan...

This nikka wayne wasnt saying anything remotely close to that realm until gillie and mikkey from Chicago came...

I'm sure Wayne spent time in philly and picked up on shyt...I think Dutch n spade got shoutouts on the carter 1 credits...so he def was around nikkas ..

Gillie and cory gunz are the same in the sense that they are skilled, but lack the commercial makeup to succeed...

All I’m saying that bullshyt like “ Wayne made some random reference to Allah and they’re Muslim rappers in Philly...it was gillie “ is some retroactive internet reaching messageboard talking point bullshyt that actually makes no sense at all ... attributing shyt to him that wasn’t even in HIS music at the time...muhfukkas be all in these threads acting like Wayne was some illiterate orphan who knew nothing but the ten blocks of New Orleans surrounding his childhood home who did nothing but yell wobbly wobbly on records before being exposed to the ways of modern culture by this capping ass loudmouth earthworm jim looking ass nikka Gillie who was kind enough to tell him what Allah meant ... like Wayne wasn’t multiple times platinum and been around the world twice before, and been rapping better than Gillie ever has in life before Gillie got there (random mixtapes cuts like Best of Me or Renegades freestyle from Sq4 better emceeing than Gil's whole career) ...half the shyt y'all be attributing to him comes from Hov who clearly influenced them both... and while I'm sure there's influence between being around cats who are friends...but we gotta cut it out like Gillie was some kinda God MC that if he never came around Wayne would be rapping like lil twist or some shyt...nikka Wayne been nicer than Gillie since before he could legally buy a pack of cigarellos... always struck me as some region hating rapper-racist (it's outrageous) shyt...

 

[Long Live The Kane]

To me people are confusing being hot with buzz. To me Gillie had an industry buzz as an up and comer that may do some things. But IMO he was never hot. To me hot is when it spills over to the fans and at no point in fans eyes was Gillie ever hot or looked at as a big star. I remember Yeah That's Us and it was aight and I don't remember nobody hyping up Gillie from that track and saying he got next. And everybody talks about "bidding wars" but what kind of numbers was behind that bidding war. Was it labels all trying to sign him and he picked the best deal or was it just different labels making standard offers to him and he chose what he thought was best. Huge difference between the two. Cause if it was a huge bidding war and he signed a shyt deal then that makes him look dumb as fukk for not leveraging the bidding war to his favor.

Back in the early 2000s labels were scrambling everywhere trying to find the new No Limit or Cash Money... trying to jump in front of a camp that was bumbling on a regional level and blow up the whole scene like what happened with New Orleans...Wallo pretty much said they had that type of movement in mind when they made the Figgas, he looked to the success of NL and CMB and took it from there...so labels were throwing deals...the Figgas flopped pretty awfully once they got signed though and that was that...

as far as what kinda demand Gillie had at the time, look at which deals he ended up taking... if you're this prized super buzzing commodity why are you taking deals with independent southern labels that had never broke an East coast act and couldn't compete advance and budget wise with the big majors? No buzzing east coast rapper is signing to go sit on Sauve House and Cash Money's bench when Def Jam and all the new York labels are right up the interstate with the bigger bag

 

[nieman]

I always felt like this... Wayne been rapping since a kid literally. He don't need nobody to "write" his raps. But the influence undeniable when you look at it from a craft/flow/swag perspective, and less from a "Wayne a superstar, Gillie was a one hit wonder how could he ever write for him" angle.

It was 2 freestyles I seen back in HS () that REALLY showed how his influence rubbed off on Wayne during that C1-C2 era (dragging/slurring words with the flow, Calling trucks "Jeeps" on C2(Philly slang))

These the best examples I could find for now.

I think it's like most things. The truth in the middle and got lost in the madness. Like somebody said... When it was cool, Gillie explained it as a coaching, breath control thing. AKA style absorption. But soon as it was smoke, now all of a sudden he wrote everything for the nikka.

I seriously doubt he wrote everything during his period. Honestly, I don't even believe he ever wrote a full verse, let alone a full song. But I don't think it was coaching either. GDK said coaching in 1 interview (Allhip-hop I believe it was) after saying he was writing for Wayne every place else, including BET & MTV.

If anything, I think the truth is probably something like GDK would give Wayne the first half to 3/4 of a verse, and allow Wayne (or whoever) to take it from there for the rest. Dude was signed there since like 2001, left in like 2004.

Back in the early 2000s labels were scrambling everywhere trying to find the new No Limit or Cash Money... trying to jump in front of a camp that was bumbling on a regional level and blow up the whole scene like what happened with New Orleans...Wallo pretty much said they had that type of movement in mind when they made the Figgas, he looked to the success of NL and CMB and took it from there...so labels were throwing deals...the Figgas flopped pretty awfully once they got signed though and that was that...

as far as what kinda demand Gillie had at the time, look at which deals he ended up taking... if you're this prized super buzzing commodity why are you taking deals with independent southern labels that had never broke an East coast act and couldn't compete advance and budget wise with the big majors? No buzzing east coast rapper is signing to go sit on Sauve House and Cash Money's bench when Def Jam and all the new York labels are right up the interstate with the bigger bag

They signed for 1Mil from Ruff House...and their album was pretty much done. They only did like 4 songs for the retail, which is part of the reason it flopped. For their fanbase, most of that ish was old. GDK got a 6 figure deal from Draper and Birdman. IDJMG, Roc, Atlantic and whoever else were offering them like 60-80K to split 7 ways - standard, with the same promises that everyone gets of making them even bigger. They were gonna take the entire Figgas to CMR after RuffNation failed, but once again they weren't talkin enough money for the group and dudes already had 2-3 deals by that time. Plus, NY labels really only wanted 1 Philly act at the time. Most Wanted signed to a not-yet buzzing Neptunes in 1998.

I don't think Birdman ever had any intention of GDK droppin music, since he allowed him to keep his publishing. That was the same with Draper too.