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[USSInsiders]

man they'd have been better off holding onto their cap space. they would have still been but at least they could live to sign free agents another day. hell, they could at least be in the position to make a trade to a desperate team looking to dump salary even.

I know he assumed they couldn't make a splash in summer 2010, but damn, you at least gotta try.

Dumars is impulsive as shyt. TO him making a move, no matter how shytty it is, is better than not making one

 

[Swagnificent]

How to lose your job as a GM 101:

I'll see that and raise you:

and

as much as ya'll wanna diss Joe Dumars remember he did create the early 00s Pistons on the same blueprint

Billups, Rip, and Ben Wallace were all pretty much cast-offs that no one really wanted. Many thought Billups (who was a high lottery pick) was a bust when Dumars got him. Ben Wallace was an undrafted nobody who struck out at Washington and Orlando. Rip was a nice player but no one really thought he was anything. Also Rasheed was a trouble maker that no one really wanted.

The team he created was able to rip off 7 straight 50+ win seasons. Win 1 title and lose another finals in 7 games, while being a perennial ECF team pretty much each year for almost an entire decade.

Dumars is the farthest thing from a BAD GM. He's decent at drafting outside of the colossal miss in darko (got Prince and Afflalo late in the 1st round plus Drummond late in the lottery). He just doesn't ascribe to the tanking methodology of winning. He's just trying to replicate what he did in the early 00s. Find decent players in free agency that other don't want, draft well in the middle of the first round, and get them to mesh together to be a solid team.

 

[beenz]

Dumars is impulsive as shyt. TO him making a move, no matter how shytty it is, is better than not making one

I bet the pistons could have gotten david lee at least back then. he was just looking to get paid, and the warriors were the only team willing to do so. it's not like the warriors were even good and dude was coming from the shytty knicks anyways, so he was used to losing.

 

[beenz]

as much as ya'll wanna diss Joe Dumars remember he did create the early 00s Pistons on the same blueprint

Billups, Rip, and Ben Wallace were all pretty much cast-offs that no one really wanted. Many thought Billups (who was a high lottery pick) was a bust when Dumars got him. Ben Wallace was an undrafted nobody who struck out at Washington and Orlando. Rip was a nice player but no one really thought he was anything. Also Rasheed was a trouble maker that no one really wanted.

The team he created was able to rip off 7 straight 50+ win seasons. Win 1 title and lose another finals in 7 games, while being a perennial ECF team pretty much each year for almost an entire decade.

Dumars is the farthest thing from a BAD GM. He's decent at drafting outside of the colossal miss in darko (got Prince last in the 1st round and Drummond late in the lottery). He just doesn't ascribe to the tanking methodology of winning. He's just trying to replicate what he did in the early 00s. Find decent players in free agency that other don't want, draft well in the middle of the first round, and get them to mesh together to be a solid team.

the ben wallace deal was the best move he EVER made. he basically flipped a gimpy grant hill for ben wallace, which was highway robbery in hindsight.

 

[Goat poster]

as much as ya'll wanna diss Joe Dumars remember he did create the early 00s Pistons on the same blueprint

Billups, Rip, and Ben Wallace were all pretty much cast-offs that no one really wanted. Many thought Billups (who was a high lottery pick) was a bust when Dumars got him. Ben Wallace was an undrafted nobody who struck out at Washington and Orlando. Rip was a nice player but no one really thought he was anything. Also Rasheed was a trouble maker that no one really wanted.

The team he created was able to rip off 7 straight 50+ win seasons. Win 1 title and lose another finals in 7 games, while being a perennial ECF team pretty much each year for almost an entire decade.

Dumars is the farthest thing from a BAD GM. He's decent at drafting outside of the colossal miss in darko (got Prince last in the 1st round and Drummond late in the lottery). He just doesn't ascribe to the tanking methodology of winning. He's just trying to replicate what he did in the early 00s. Find decent players in free agency that other don't want, draft well in the middle of the first round, and get them to mesh together to be a solid team.

You can't compare Josh Smith and Brandon Jennings to Chauncy Billups and Rip Hamilton.

Any smart GM wouldn't touch either Jennings or Smith with a ten foot pole and this dude has them on the same squad.

I use to give him a pass on the Darko miss because he put together such a great team in the early 2000 with the PERFECT coach.

But that early 2000 run has looked like an anomaly for quite some time.

 

[Swagnificent]

the ben wallace deal was the best move he EVER made. he basically flipped a gimpy grant hill for ben wallace, which was highway robbery in hindsight.

At the time Ben Wallace was a nobody. He also made Rick Carlile the head coach that year. Next year he trades Stackhouse for Rip (another great move). And in the off-seasons drafts Prince and signs Billups and Memet Okur. After that he hires Larry Brown and trades for Rasheed. So begins the dynasty (they only won once but I consider them a dynasty considering they were in the ECF like every season).

 

[USSInsiders]

At the time Ben Wallace was a nobody. He also made Rick Carlile the head coach that year. Next year he trades Stackhouse for Rip (another great move). And in the off-seasons drafts Prince and signs Billups and Memet Okur. After that he hires Larry Brown and trades for Rasheed. So begins the dynasty (they only won once but I consider them a dynasty considering they were in the ECF like every season).

I loved that fukking team. They shoulda won so many more times

 

[PortCityProphet]

Like anything else if the GM really put in work and explored ALL options then they can be successful .

No matter what market.

After Fully evaluating the players i have the option to and trying to make the best decision with my lottery pick, that's when the REAL work starts.

If I'm a GM of a small market I'm studying SA,Indiana, Memphis,and OKC down to the TEE.
I'm going overseas and to small schools like pop does and finding players that are FUNDEMENTALLY SOUND have a GREAT WORK ETHIC and can work in ANY TEAM CONCEPT.

You don't play defense? Your getting cut/traded.
You consistently take bad shots ( Josh Smith)? Your getting cut/traded.

You don't find the open man ( for PG especially)? Your getting cut/traded

Also I don't want to hear about no talent in the second round there has been many players taken in the second that have contributed to championship teams. I'm looking for a defensive stopper in the second round.

And also the RIGHT COACH is very important and might be the hardest thing to get in my opinion (pop basically coaches AND GMs)

These dudes are just a part of a boys club that gets recycled job after job, they need to bring some hungry dudes up with fresh ideas add some new blood to the GM circle

You just gonna cut dudes at random? good luck with the cap breh. Good luck trying to sign a quality FA who's gonna fear being cut for missin the open man
That's a good perfect little scenario you put together

 

[beenz]

I loved that fukking team. They shoulda won so many more times

over who??? they are lucky they pulled one off in the midst of the / and spurs era.

 

[Hollywood Co]

I'll see that and raise you:

and

That's a decade's worth of terrible decisions..


He gotta go

 

[beenz]

You just gonna cut dudes at random? good luck with the cap breh. Good luck trying to sign a quality FA who's gonna fear being cut for missin the open man
That's a good perfect little scenario you put together

GM's can cut dudes if they want. but you best believe the team is gonna still take the cap hit and still have to basically pay a cat to do nothing. that ain't whats hot in these streets at all.

then the cat that gets cut could go out and sign with another team and collect two checks.

 

[Swagnificent]

You can't compare Josh Smith and Brandon Jennings to Chauncy Billups and Rip Hamilton.

Any smart GM wouldn't touch either with a ten foot pole and this dude has them on the same squad.

I use to give him a pass on the Darko miss because he put together such a great team in the early 2000 with the PERFECT coach.

But that early 2000 run has looked like an anomaly for quite some time.

Come on now. You seem to forget that Billups and Rip were nothing like the players they became when they signed. Hindsight is always 20/20.

Billups (before coming to Detroit): 11.3 ppg on 40.0% shooting, 2.4 rpg, 4.2 apg (age 25)
Rip (before coming to Detroit): 15.6 ppg on 43.3% shooting, 2.8 rpg, 2.4 apg (age 23)

compare that to:

Brandon Jennings: 17.0 ppg on 39.4% shooting, 3.4 rpg, 5.7 apg (age 23)
Josh Smith: 15.3 ppg on 46.5% shooting, 8.0 rpg, 3.2 apg (age 27)

if anything, Josh Smith and Brandon Jennings are better signings than Billups and Rip AT THE TIME

better numbers, pretty much the same age

 

[USSInsiders]

over who??? they are lucky they pulled one off in the midst of the / and spurs era.

I was talking more the East. They had so many opportunities to get out of the ECF and couldn't do it.

Had one of the most complete teams I've ever seen.

 

[Miggs]

This thread turned into a Joey D indictment

 

[beenz]

This thread turned into a Joey D indictment

cuz EVERY time they get a little cap relief, they trick off all their bread overpaying non-difference makers.