Give Up on Work-Life Balance

[mr. smoke weed]

You know what.....GO fukk YOURSELF AND EVERYTHING YOU BELIEVE IN

Only You justify people working 60+ hours per week and not seeing their families. You the type that get his head chopped off in a French Revolution style protest.

Working that much is 100% a choice

 

[mr. smoke weed]

I strongly implore all of you in this thread to take a hard look at your job. If they don't value you, LEAVE. If they make you work excessive hours with no extra pay, LEAVE. If they treat you like shyt, LEAVE. If you get a 2% raise once every 2 years, LEAVE. If you don't get a bonus, LEAVE. Employer-Employee is a relationship, relationships have to be reciprocal.

 

[ogc163]

People in the USA care too much about work and kids

Americans have a masochistic attitude towards work and they have irrational expectations regarding their kids futures. Either the systems change or Americans expectations change. It's likely that the expectations will change and the upside of that is that people will become less anxious and depressed. The downside is that large institutions won't be challenged as much.

 

[DEAD7]

So let me get this straight...
Workers produce more in a six hour work day...
Cost employers less, in both wages and mistakes...

And “greedy capitalist” are choosing not to do this?

Nothing about this rings true...

 

[ogc163]

So let me get this straight...
Workers produce more in a six hour work day...
Cost employers less, in both wages and mistakes...

And “greedy capitalist” are choosing not to do this?

Nothing about this rings true...

I'm skeptical of the scalability and transferability of the six hour work day, but there are likely many type of jobs that would benefit from a shorter work day. The culture that has been prevalent for decades is probably the reason that a shorter work day is dismissed or not taken into consideration. Belief in the linear "more work=more productivity/utility" is prevalent throughout American life, not just corporate america.

 

[JLova]

Don't take this the wrong way. What are you doing that's so important you have to work 3 extra hours? OT?

It's mainly too much work, not enough staff and IT enabling companies to squeeze every ounce of work out of staff.

 

[Capital Steez]

PPC ? SEO ? Social Media ? AdOps ?

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[Cynic]

Paid social, SEO and Email campaign via HubSpot.

Step into 6 Figures and the digital thread.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

I'm skeptical of the scalability and transferability of the six hour work day, but there are likely many type of jobs that would benefit from a shorter work day. The culture that has been prevalent for decades is probably the reason that a shorter work day is dismissed or not taken into consideration. Belief in the linear "more work=more productivity/utility" is prevalent throughout American life, not just corporate america.

I believe a lot of office/white collar jobs could go to a six hour workday. The amount of breaks, interruptions, bullshytting people do at work is what allows them to fill out their workday. It would take a serious commitment to cutting down email/distractions, unnecessary meetings and possibly being prescriptive about the lunch hour (so many people eat at their desk anyway), but I think it’s possible to roughly attune the workday to 9-3.

I’m on my phone so am not about to search for it, but I think there was a study showing that our actual productive time at work is about 3-4 hours/day. So why are we still stretching to make the 8 hour day apply to office work? It made sense for manufacturing and shift work, but not today’s office workers

 

[rapbeats]

I believe a lot of office/white collar jobs could go to a six hour workday. The amount of breaks, interruptions, bullshytting people do at work is what allows them to fill out their workday. It would take a serious commitment to cutting down email/distractions, unnecessary meetings and possibly being prescriptive about the lunch hour (so many people eat at their desk anyway), but I think it’s possible to roughly attune the workday to 9-3.

I’m on my phone so am not about to search for it, but I think there was a study showing that our actual productive time at work is about 3-4 hours/day. So why are we still stretching to make the 8 hour day apply to office work? It made sense for manufacturing and shift work, but not today’s office workers

the same can be said for telecommuting/working remotely. for white color computer jobs. we dont need to drive to work and we dont need to work more than 6 hours per day. the only reason these two things still happen is because people including management are sheep and they follow what was previously done without researching the positives or negatives. its just easier to keep doing what you've been doing.

 

[analog]

I think another thing that exacerbates the issue is the general lonely existences. The longer hours often leave folks too exhausted to do anything but handle a few errands/tasks before hitting the sack.

You go abroad to some places and the one constant I observe is people socializing in groups over a meal. Whether it be lunch with colleagues, or dinner with family/friends the social interactions are plentiful. I'll never forget walking through St Germain in Paris on a cold December, Tuesday evening and all the restaurants were brimming with patrons so far as to sit in the outdoor patios where they have heating lamps suspended overhead so they can still enjoy dining outdoors in winter

Compare that to here and you may have the occasional colleague make a lunch run only to bring the food back for everyone to eat separately at their desk 'cause there's simply no time to go out and properly enjoy a meal.

Folks get home at all sorts of different times, and consume food whenever most convenient. It may be once or twice a week you have a proper social meal where stories, experiences, opinions, etc. are exchanged... this can't be life

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

the same can be said for telecommuting/working remotely. for white color computer jobs. we dont need to drive to work and we dont need to work more than 6 hours per day. the only reason these two things still happen is because people including management are sheep and they follow what was previously done without researching the positives or negatives. its just easier to keep doing what you've been doing.

i'm a big proponent of telecommuting as well. not only does it provide more WL balance, i think providing people with more flexibility in where they live will help decrease the pressure on high COL areas and possibly make it possible for people to stay more centrally located to family (the push to "desirable" urban job centers has caused more people to move further away from family and i have my own set of views on why this has been generally bad for society)

 

[Serious]

15 min walk would be cool for the flexibility, but I’m happy with a 30 min commute, that’s reasonable and took no toll on me...

I was in London a couple months ago and I was like

I could do this, fukk a car.

I really didn't mind taking the tube everywhere. Most commutes were like 30-45 minutes.

Plus some of the routes were less crowded and had free Wifi.

Only downside to making that move is that wages are garbage compared to the cost of living in the UK.

Its like taking a 20-30% reduction in salary while the cost of living is like NYC. I guess having benefits like Healthcare and not having a car ,are decent trade offs.

I still have dual citizenship there, so I might pull the gun and try living out there for a few years, just because

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

I think another thing that exacerbates the issue is the general lonely existences. The longer hours often leave folks too exhausted to do anything but handle a few errands/tasks before hitting the sack.

You go abroad to some places and the one constant I observe is people socializing in groups over a meal. Whether it be lunch with colleagues, or dinner with family/friends the social interactions are plentiful. I'll never forget walking through St Germain in Paris on a cold December, Tuesday evening and all the restaurants were brimming with patrons so far as to sit in the outdoor patios where they have heating lamps suspended overhead so they can still enjoy dining outdoors in winter

Compare that to here and you may have the occasional colleague make a lunch run only to bring the food back for everyone to eat separately at their desk 'cause there's simply no time to go out and properly enjoy a meal.

Folks get home at all sorts of different times, and consume food whenever most convenient. It may be once or twice a week you have a proper social meal where stories, experiences, opinions, etc. are exchanged... this can't be life

ha, this gets to some of the issue i have with how we're forced to be detached from family due to job migration

 

[Serious]

Don't take this the wrong way. What are you doing that's so important you have to work 3 extra hours? OT?

Happy hour , gym or cheating on his wife