Glen Greenwald: Dems Are Panicking Because Barr Will Now Investigate Real Conspiracy

[AnonymityX1000]

I just want to highlight this shyt because a lot of ya'll complain about the level of discourse in Higher Learning but this is the bullshyt that we're talking about.
Shiggs....I don't know WHAT this cat is on at this point. Says he didn't follow the shyt but is making definitive statements about it.

afro....knows damn well Trump Jr. and them said the shyt was about adoptions UNTIL we found out that it wasn't about adoptions and that the Russians definitely reached out to help but that we don't know the extent of the shyt because everyone in the Trump camp refused to cooperate or were using encrypted methods and shyt to communicate and muddy the waters AMONG OTHER THINGS.

I'm good...go ahead and get your snarky response in and your crackpot "Greenwald is journalist" bullshyt response in

I just wanted this shyt on record

So they said, 'the adoptions' but how was it revealed it wasn't about that if they refused to cooperate and used encryption or whatever? This shyt is too confusing.

 

[storyteller]

What about his kids and son-in-law? I remember when Stone got indicted some of my friends being all giddy they were next. @Black Panther took a ban bet they would get indicted. What happened, they aren't the president?

Seems like (and the report itself is quoted here) there was a strong case but they didn't feel they could prove guilt "beyond a reasonable doubt." The mainstream approach to this was that Jr was too dumb to understand what he was doing (it's alluded to lack of knowledge that they were breaking a law). The bit about Manafort and Kushner also being aware of the purpose has always stood out to me.

The quoted section is actually pulling a Mueller quote
Mueller Confirms: Don Jr. Was Too Stupid to Collude

This series of events [surrounding the June 9 meeting] could implicate the federal election-law ban on contributions and donations by foreign nationals . . . Specifically, Goldstone passed along an offer purportedly from a Russian government official to provide “official documents and information” to the Trump campaign for the purposes of influencing the presidential election. Trump Jr. appears to have accepted that offer and to have arranged a meeting to receive those materials. Documentary evidence in the form of e-mail chains supports the inference that Kushner and Manafort were aware of that purpose and attended the June 9 meeting anticipating the receipt of helpful information to the Campaign from Russian sources.

The Office considered whether this evidence would establish a conspiracy to violate the foreign contributions ban . . . solicitation of an illegal foreign-source contribution; or the acceptance or receipt of “an express or implied promise to make a [foreign-source] contribution” . . . There are reasonable arguments that the offered information would constitute a “thing of value” within the meaning of these provisions, but the Office determined that the government would not be likely to obtain and sustain a conviction for two other reasons: first, the Office did not obtain admissible evidence likely to meet the government’s burden to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that these individuals acted “willfully,” i.e. with general knowledge of the illegality of their conduct; and, second, the government would likely encounter difficulty proving beyond a reasonable doubt that the value of the promised information exceeded the threshold for a criminal violation.

 

[newworldafro]

I just want to highlight this shyt because a lot of ya'll complain about the level of discourse in Higher Learning but this is the bullshyt that we're talking about.
Shiggs....I don't know WHAT this cat is on at this point. Says he didn't follow the shyt but is making definitive statements about it.

afro....knows damn well Trump Jr. and them said the shyt was about adoptions UNTIL we found out that it wasn't about adoptions and that the Russians definitely reached out to help but that we don't know the extent of the shyt because everyone in the Trump camp refused to cooperate or were using encrypted methods and shyt to communicate and muddy the waters AMONG OTHER THINGS.

I'm good...go ahead and get your snarky response in and your crackpot "Greenwald is journalist" bullshyt response in

I just wanted this shyt on record

So basically you thought the Critically Objective Thinker wasn't going to be critically objective thinking.

No snarky comments.

 

[the cac mamba]

Argue in good faith??

Please elaborate?

it's just a bullshyt ass term these dudes throw around when your position goes against the Official Narrative

nothing to see there

 

[AnonymityX1000]

I've seen him on Maher and CNN within the last year and a half. I don't watch a lot of cable myself. There are a lot of outlets out there. Most of the coli watches youtube channels and podcasts as I would assume most people do now.

That seems like an assertion you should prove or back up? Maybe ask Glenn? I don't think he's been deplatformed or blacklisted if that's what you're trying to say.

Carlson is flat out racist, bigot and there's no way around that. The corporate advertisers that no longer advertise on his show have more integrity than Greenwald.

In the last year and a half?! That's a huge window. Has he been on there since the Burr synopsis and the Mueller report came out? Maybe things changed in the last year or so.
He's racist but provides a platform. He probably thinks it's worth it to get his points across. I mean Bill Maher is comfortable enough to drop N bombs whenever and is pretty Islamaphobic and plenty of lefties go on there to. You gotta make trade offs in this political landscape.

 

[Starman]

Let 'em know, Glenn!

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Seems like (and the report itself is quoted here) there was a strong case but they didn't feel they could prove guilt "beyond a reasonable doubt." The mainstream approach to this was that Jr was too dumb to understand what he was doing (it's alluded to lack of knowledge that they were breaking a law). The bit about Manafort and Kushner also being aware of the purpose has always stood out to me.

The quoted section is actually pulling a Mueller quote
Mueller Confirms: Don Jr. Was Too Stupid to Collude

You can't say, "there was a strong case" and "they didn't feel they could prove guilt "beyond a reasonable doubt." Those are contradictory accounts. If you can't prove it that means it isn't strong.
Again, Dems should have took the L on this and concentrated on winning in 2020. Now they got egg on their face, the general population's faith in the election system is severely shaken and Trump had more credibility when he calls this a witch hunt. This is a huge L for Dems and the country.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

The subtext to the post Mueller report situation is Establishment Dems lost to Trump, took their shot with Russiagate and missed so now their is blood in the water and they are getting attacked from both sides. Progressives and Republicans are coming for them because they are weaker than ever. Progressives want to turn the party to their priorities and Republicans want to make them look bad and defeat them whenever and wherever possible. It on like popcorn!

"The hunt is on, and you're the prey!"

The investigation started in 2016.

 

[Copy Ninja]

I don't know why people are still going on about this. Mueller in his own report concluded...

"Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

This whole thing was always fugazi to begin with. It helps that Trump and his family are morons who can't help but lie and do stupid shyt.

The Dems took advantage of everyone's emotions and just rolled with it. The liberal media made a killing talking about it every night so they just rolled with it too. Viewers tuned in because they were pissed. It just kept feeding itself.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

There are many progressives who have been warning about the danger of Democrats and mainstream media pushing the whole Russiagate conspiracy (Jimmy Dore, Aaron Mate, Jamarl Thomas). Nothing Glen said was wrong. Pitting two nuclear countries against each other because you don't like the president is dangerous and was a huge blunder. Not only is it dangerous from a military perspective but it ultimately plays into the hand of Trump. Now Trump can easily portray himself (and rightfully so) as a victim of a witch hunt. This will only embolden the radical elements of his support base and make the country that much more divided and volatile. Its just bad strategy at the end of the day.

There are very real and detrimental facets of Trumps presidency that could have been critiqued these past two years.
Such as his denial of climate change, deregulating wall street, being a puppet for the Saudis and Israel, corruption, healthcare, tax cuts to the wealthy etc. I could go and on. All of these things are exceedingly more important and none of them were used as weapon by corporate democrats. And the true reason for all of this is because their policies really aren't much different than this current far right administration.

If someone gets away with a crime why do you act like there was no crime ?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I don't know why people are still going on about this. Mueller in his own report concluded...

"Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

This whole thing was always fugazi to begin with. It helps that Trump and his family are morons who can't help but lie and do stupid shyt.

The Dems took advantage of everyone's emotions and just rolled with it. The liberal media made a killing talking about it every night so they just rolled with it too. Viewers tuned in because they were pissed. It just kept feeding itself.

This is not true.

There was collusion but not what they can prove in court with parallel reconstruction outside of classified intelligence.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

The investigation started in 2016.

The investigation into the Democrats spying on Trump? If you are talking about the investigation into Trump's campaign collusion that has nothing to do with what you quoted.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

If someone gets away with a crime why do you act like there was no crime ?

Innocent until proven guilty means what then?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

The investigation into the Democrats spying on Trump? If you are talking about the investigation into Trump's campaign collusion that has nothing to do with what you quoted.

The dossier was originally funded by a republican before a democrat took up the funding.

Conservative Website First Funded Anti-Trump Research by Firm That Later Produced Dossier

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Good point but he's not a full-on Trump shill as he does take a jab at Trump for his willingness to be involved in the Venezuelan government being removed from office.

But its Russia that supports the current government refusing to be removed as well as Glenn.....

I meant he’s kinda morphed into a Trump shill on just this issue, for all intents and purposes.

He’s been calling out the propagandistic hyperbole surrounding Russia-gate for a while now, and with good reason. A lot of the reporting on it has been laughably over the top and just absurd.

But the Mueller report dropped and it said Trump obstructed justice 10 times and he could’ve been charged if Mueller didn’t choose to give it to Congress, as well as a lot of other things that while don’t prove conspiracy, are very troubling from a standpoint of executive corruption, national security and election integrity and his single-minded focus is still to just bash the media propaganda surrounding it and say there was no (provable) collusion and dismiss the actual issue itself.

We’ve got a president that obstructed justice blatantly and repeatedly, tried to take authoritarian powers to stop the investigation and would’ve been successful if his underlings didn’t not carry out his orders, and a stooge AG who tried to spin the conclusions.

But to Greenwald the larger issue is Rachel Maddow (who the fukk still even watched Rachel Maddow?).

He’s critiquing biased journalism while engaging in the same sort of knee-jerk confirmation bias himself, such as making a fool of himself with his weeks-long gloating twitter victory lap after the Barr summary.

Giving legitimacy to the stooge Barr investigating the investigators on Tucker Carlson now is just sad and pathetic.

Still a legend for the Eric Snowden drop though.