GOP introduce bill to remove USA from United Nations

[Pull Up the Roots]

Mike Rogers introduced the same bill a few years ago [1], and it went nowhere. Paul Broun tried even earlier - in 2013 - and it went nowhere [2]. This one will suffer the same fate.

1* H.R.1205 - 114th Congress (2015-2016): American Sovereignty Restoration Act of 2015

2* H.R.75 - 113th Congress (2013-2014): American Sovereignty Restoration Act of 2013

 

[David_TheMan]

and anyone talking about "blah blah blah, security, war, blah blah blah" maybe go look up what NATO is and what they do. and how the US is still a member of NATO.

now if they pull from NATO, then you might have some real worries.....

NATO literally has had no reason to exist after the Cold War, and you say leaving that is something to worry about?
If the US pulled out of the UN and NATO it would be positive less money spent to the fukking rapists in the UN and less money spent warmongering against Russia with NATO

 

[Maschine_Man]

NATO literally has had no reason to exist after the Cold War, and you say leaving that is something to worry about?
If the US pulled out of the UN and NATO it would be positive less money spent to the fukking rapists in the UN and less money spent warmongering against Russia with NATO

I'm saying Nato is more important than the UN. And yes NATO is still important.

as someone that has Deployed with both organizations, I can tell you that NATO is far more important to keep together than the UN.

NATO is not just in Europe.....BTW.

 

[David_TheMan]

I'm saying Nato is more important than the UN. And yes NATO is still important.

as someone that has Deployed with both organizations, I can tell you that NATO is far more important to keep together than the UN.

NATO is not just in Europe.....BTW.

NATO isn't important, it literally exists in defense of an entity and agreement that hasn't existed on the face of the earth for 27 years.
You deploying with both literally means nothing.
NATO is specifically for Europe but has been used to justify military action against Libya and afghanistan, which again shows you the organization has lost its way.

 

[Robbie3000]

soooo...you don't know then. OK..I was just checking

I think it's pretty obvious despite the Flaws in the UN.

Can you make a case why we shouldn't have the UN? I'm genuinely curious.

 

[Maschine_Man]

NATO isn't important, it literally exists in defense of an entity and agreement that hasn't existed on the face of the earth for 27 years.
You deploying with both literally means nothing.
NATO is specifically for Europe but has been used to justify military action against Libya and afghanistan, which again shows you the organization has lost its way.

ahhh....so explain to me what ISAF is....

 

[#StarkSet]

Do you really need an explanation on why having a global organization that brings nations together to discuss global event and hopefully ease tensions is a good idea?

And another group couldnt be formed that doesn't involve the US giving all these countries money?

 

[Maschine_Man]

I think it's pretty obvious despite the Flaws in the UN.

Can you make a case why we shouldn't have the UN? I'm genuinely curious.

United Nations Corruption and the Need for Reform | Foundation for Defense of Democracies

United Nations Corruption and the Need for Reform

• The United Nations is a hotbed for corruption and abuse. It is opaque, diplomatically immune, largely unaccountable – and has come to regard billions in U.S. tax dollars not as a privilege to be earned, but as an entitlement.
• The UN does not issue clear reports to donor nations on how their money is spent. That includes the United States, the U.N.’s biggest donor, which bankrolls roughly 25% of the U.N.’s soaring system-wide spending. In Fiscal 2010 (the last year for which the U.S. administration has provided any total figures), U.S. taxpayers contributed more than $7.7 billion to an incoherent U.N. system-wide budget, which by some estimates has continued to expand to well over $30 billion per year.
• In the 193-member U.N. General Assembly, which shapes the core budget and works on a system of one country-one vote, the U.S. is often marginalized or out-voted, despite contributing funds totaling more than two-thirds of the least-assessed U.N. member states combined. Decisions tend to be dominated by substantially nondemocratic voting blocs, such as the 56 member states of the Organization of the Islamic Conference (headquartered in Saudi Arabia), or the 120 member Non-Aligned Movement, chaired from 2012-2015 by Iran.
• In recent years, the U.S. has done too little to require accountability or responsibility of the UN. Since U.S. law required the cut off of U.S. funding to the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) for admitting the Palestinian Authority to full membership in 2011, the U.S. administration has been pushing not to change UNESCO, but to waive U.S. law. This has emboldened further anti-American moves at the UN.
• The U.N. in some cases uses U.S. money to actively undermine American values and interests. For instance: Procurement of dual-use technology for Iran and North Korea by the UN’s World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) in Geneva, or the previous dual-use procurement Cash-for-Kim scandal involving the UN’s flagship agency, the U.N. Development Program (UNDP) violating its own rules to transfer dual-use goods and hard currency to the government of North Korea. Or the U.N. offering itself as a platform for gags on free speech, and for such anti-American anti-Semitic exercises as the 2009 Durban II conference in Geneva (featuring Iran’s President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as a main speaker), and Durban III conference in 2011 in New York.
• Among many other examples of U.N. abuses: The Human Rights Council, even after a major 2006 “reform,” continues to keep scrutiny of Israel as the only standing item on its agenda, condemns Israel more than any other state, and among its members newly elected in 2012 are such human rights abusers as Pakistan, Cote d’Ivoire, Gabon, Kazakhstan and Venezuela,
• UNRWA, the U.N.’s Palestinian Refugee Agency, to which the U.S. is the biggest donor, was created in 1949 as a temporary outfit, but more than 60 years later has become an entrenched welfare system, its client rolls swollen five-fold to some 5 million recipients, impeding peace and fostering terror in the Middle East. Headquartered in terrorist-controlled Gaza, UNRWA in 2011 opened a representative office in Washington, staffed by former U.S. congressional aides, in effect using U.S. tax dollars to help promote UNRWA’s interests to Congress and the administration.
• The U.N. has failed to reform. Following the Oil-for-Food scandal, in which the U.N. profited from and covered up for billions in Baghdad kickbacks and corruption, the U.N. in 2006 promised greater transparency, accountability, an end to Peacekeeper rape, the elimination of redundant mandates, and a more ethical culture. Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon arrived in office in 2007 promising “to restore trust” and calling for a system-wide audit. None of these things has been accomplished.
• Inside the U.N., a special anti-corruption task force set up in 2006 was dissolved at the end of 2008. The U.N.’s internal audit division, the Office of Internal Oversight Services, has been roiled with scandals and frictions, including a former chief of the unit accusing the UN Secretary-General of “deplorable” actions to impede her hiring of investigators, and charging that “the secretariat is now in a process of decay.”
• Among UN member states, the only serious oversight comes from the U.S., the great majority of the other 193 member states being effectively free riders on U.S. credibility and funding. The only real levers for reform have been exposure of abuses and withholding of U.S. money, and on neither front has the U.S. administration been taking stands strong enough to maintain leadership..

and there is more...

 

[David_TheMan]

ahhh....so explain to me what ISAF is....

You realize I typed Afghnistan and Libya in that post don't you?

 

[#StarkSet]

United Nations Corruption and the Need for Reform | Foundation for Defense of Democracies

United Nations Corruption and the Need for Reform

• The United Nations is a hotbed for corruption and abuse. It is opaque, diplomatically immune, largely unaccountable – and has come to regard billions in U.S. tax dollars not as a privilege to be earned, but as an entitlement.
• The UN does not issue clear reports to donor nations on how their money is spent. That includes the United States, the U.N.’s biggest donor, which bankrolls roughly 25% of the U.N.’s soaring system-wide spending. In Fiscal 2010 (the last year for which the U.S. administration has provided any total figures), U.S. taxpayers contributed more than $7.7 billion to an incoherent U.N. system-wide budget, which by some estimates has continued to expand to well over $30 billion per year.
• In the 193-member U.N. General Assembly, which shapes the core budget and works on a system of one country-one vote, the U.S. is often marginalized or out-voted, despite contributing funds totaling more than two-thirds of the least-assessed U.N. member states combined. Decisions tend to be dominated by substantially nondemocratic voting blocs, such as the 56 member states of the Organization of the Islamic Conference (headquartered in Saudi Arabia), or the 120 member Non-Aligned Movement, chaired from 2012-2015 by Iran.
• In recent years, the U.S. has done too little to require accountability or responsibility of the UN. Since U.S. law required the cut off of U.S. funding to the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) for admitting the Palestinian Authority to full membership in 2011, the U.S. administration has been pushing not to change UNESCO, but to waive U.S. law. This has emboldened further anti-American moves at the UN.
• The U.N. in some cases uses U.S. money to actively undermine American values and interests. For instance: Procurement of dual-use technology for Iran and North Korea by the UN’s World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) in Geneva, or the previous dual-use procurement Cash-for-Kim scandal involving the UN’s flagship agency, the U.N. Development Program (UNDP) violating its own rules to transfer dual-use goods and hard currency to the government of North Korea. Or the U.N. offering itself as a platform for gags on free speech, and for such anti-American anti-Semitic exercises as the 2009 Durban II conference in Geneva (featuring Iran’s President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as a main speaker), and Durban III conference in 2011 in New York.
• Among many other examples of U.N. abuses: The Human Rights Council, even after a major 2006 “reform,” continues to keep scrutiny of Israel as the only standing item on its agenda, condemns Israel more than any other state, and among its members newly elected in 2012 are such human rights abusers as Pakistan, Cote d’Ivoire, Gabon, Kazakhstan and Venezuela,
• UNRWA, the U.N.’s Palestinian Refugee Agency, to which the U.S. is the biggest donor, was created in 1949 as a temporary outfit, but more than 60 years later has become an entrenched welfare system, its client rolls swollen five-fold to some 5 million recipients, impeding peace and fostering terror in the Middle East. Headquartered in terrorist-controlled Gaza, UNRWA in 2011 opened a representative office in Washington, staffed by former U.S. congressional aides, in effect using U.S. tax dollars to help promote UNRWA’s interests to Congress and the administration.
• The U.N. has failed to reform. Following the Oil-for-Food scandal, in which the U.N. profited from and covered up for billions in Baghdad kickbacks and corruption, the U.N. in 2006 promised greater transparency, accountability, an end to Peacekeeper rape, the elimination of redundant mandates, and a more ethical culture. Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon arrived in office in 2007 promising “to restore trust” and calling for a system-wide audit. None of these things has been accomplished.
• Inside the U.N., a special anti-corruption task force set up in 2006 was dissolved at the end of 2008. The U.N.’s internal audit division, the Office of Internal Oversight Services, has been roiled with scandals and frictions, including a former chief of the unit accusing the UN Secretary-General of “deplorable” actions to impede her hiring of investigators, and charging that “the secretariat is now in a process of decay.”
• Among UN member states, the only serious oversight comes from the U.S., the great majority of the other 193 member states being effectively free riders on U.S. credibility and funding. The only real levers for reform have been exposure of abuses and withholding of U.S. money, and on neither front has the U.S. administration been taking stands strong enough to maintain leadership..

and there is more...

This is fukking disgusting


But but America first is sexist, racist, homophobic

 

[ORDER_66]

They Serious?!!?

Wasn't the entire point of the United Nations was to establish a coalition of world powers to make connections and help each other?! You do know that if the U.S. pulls OUT of the united nations and they go overseas provoking wars they might be subject to push back by others in the U.N. charter then they would really be the bad guys then?! This is Insanity... what if the U.N. all the world leaders seek to close down all the foreign U.S. military bases in the world. that would make wars from staging areas tons harder. smfh talking about we gonna catch isil. how sway... you end up in an hostile sovereign nation with no good will towards you, aint no one coming to help if you fukk up.

 

[Maschine_Man]

You realize I typed Afghnistan and Libya in that post don't you?

so then you realize that it just a coalition of "like-minded" countries that work together.

it's not just for European defence.

 

[Maschine_Man]

They Serious?!!?

Wasn't the entire point of the United Nations was to establish a coalition of world powers to make connections and help each other?! You do know that if the U.S. pulls OUT of the united nations and they go overseas provoking wars they might be subject to push back by others in the U.N. charter then they would really be the bad guys then?! This is Insanity... what if the U.N. all the world leaders seek to close down all the foreign U.S. military bases in the world. that would make wars from staging areas tons harder. smfh talking about we gonna catch isil. how sway... you end up in an hostile sovereign nation with no good will towards you, aint no one coming to help if you fukk up.

LOL, the UN wouldn't be able to do anything without all the US funding.
Not to mention the US has separate agreements with many countries (such as NATO) which wouldn't cause that type of friction.

the UN is just a bloated bureaucratic mess. and if the US pulled out many others would be pulling out as well. It would probably open up REAL coalitions that would do the work the UN was intended for. Possibly opening up the roles that NATO currently has.

 

[David_TheMan]

so then you realize that it just a coalition of "like-minded" countries that work together.

it's not just for European defence.

Don't need NATO for a coalition to launch war, Iraq itself proves that.
That said NATO even operating in the ME engaging in bombings in Libya and being active in Afghanistan don't show how its needed, it shows how it has no purpose and is acting outside the scope it was created for. There is no reason for NATO to be in Afghanistan, there is no reason for the US to be footing 75% of the bills and trying to expand it to Russia's borders.

There is no purpose for it

 

[EndDomination]

Good. fukk the UN.

when you even have countries like Canada thinking about the UN you know it's not as sweet as they would make it sound.

It's time Canada considers leaving the UN, Tory MP says


anyone automatically thinking this is a bad decision just because this administration is behind it just fails to do more research in them.

It's become a bloated bureaucratic load of crap that is ripe with corruption.

but I mean...Trump right???

Quote a member of the Canadian Conservative Party brehs