Grantland might be done by 2016

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

I'm wondering if anyone will pick up on this point. ESPN seems to be getting most of the blame for this but Simmons deserves some blame if not most of it for the end of Grantland...

Simmons doesn't deserve any of the blame because this all started when ESPN told Simmons what he could or couldn't say. You can't challenge Roger Goodell they said. what kind of shyt is that?

Also, people saying that Grantland didn't get enough traffic. Well, ESPN didn't promote them either. ESPN didn't support it.

 

[Brozay]

Yeah its not worth going back and forth plus it has nothing to do with him working behind the scenes trying to kill Grantland. He didn't seem to care about anybody still working at Grantland since he wanted to kill it

It quite literally has EVERYTHING to do with this

 

[CrimsonTider]

The purpose of a business is to bring in profits.

There are such things in business that have goals over making a profit. Grant land was one of them

 

[NYC Rebel]

There are such things in business that have goals over making a profit. Grant land was one of them

I don't agree.

ESPN is bleeding right now and at the end of the day, it's about money. How can you say it's not when that's the obvious motivation here as to why they were removed?

 

[Squirrel from Meteor Man]

If all media was reduced to that short-sided mentality, film studios would never release anything but tentpole popcorn flicks and the only genre of music being made would be pop.

There's limits for everything. Studios aren't giving you $10 million to make a movie that's only gonna make $100,000.

 

[The War Report]

The only people I checked for in Grantland was Lowe and Goldsberry.

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

But that's who the media appeals to.

Advertisers pay for page clicks.....and salacious headlines with short stories is what garners page clicks which in turn, gets media companies PAID.

MURICA'

Americans read headlines. And not much else.

What gets more ratings - a compelling episode of 30 for 30 or another session of and going back and forth over nothing?

The purpose of branches like Grantland was literally just to lend some credibility to the network and display a bit more insight than the usual garbage. It was a vanity project, not just for Simmons but for ESPN as a whole, so that they could have something to point to and show off that wasnt utter, vapid nonsense.

Exactly. Dude wanted to rage against the machine while making millions of dollars. He wanted to say anything that came to his mind without consequence like he owned the place. He didn't think about the people who worked for him, he was just caught up in trying to appear to be a rebel to his viewers. He wants his readers to think he's a guy showing up to the office with his hat on backwards when in reality he's just as pompous as his bosses at ESPN. It's fine to be an a$$hole when it's just your ass on the line, not when your entire staff is at stake.

If anything he was overpaid which Is evidenced by the lack attention and money Grantland brought in.

You must've missed the part where he's getting more attention and money w his new show than he did at ESPN. Bill Simmons was responsible for the only few worthwhile programs on the entire network. He absolutely had the right to expect carte blanche.

 

[Brozay]

I don't agree.

ESPN is bleeding right now and at the end of the day, it's about money. How can you say it's not when that's the obvious motivation here as to why they were removed?

Thats not what we're discussing though

Nobody is question 'why' ESPN folded Grantland. We all know its about money

Its just a shame that the 'worldwide leader in sports' can't supplement their high level content division. Do you agree with that?

Grantland was created to add credibility/interesting content to a company that was severely lacking in it

 

[NYC Rebel]

Simmons doesn't deserve any of the blame because this all started when ESPN told Simmons what he could or couldn't say. You can't challenge Roger Goodell they said. what kind of shyt is that?

Also, people saying that Grantland didn't get enough traffic. Well, ESPN didn't promote them either. ESPN didn't support it.

American don't read long form anymore, bruh.

Americans read headlines. And not much else.

 

[Brady-Carter]

I don't agree.

ESPN is bleeding right now and at the end of the day, it's about money. How can you say it's not when that's the obvious motivation here as to why they were removed?

If John Walsh was still at ESPN Grantland and bill survive. Grantland dying is about office politics breh. Not numbers.

 

[NYC Rebel]

Of course I agree with it. I just refuse to agree with the idea that ESPN had Grantland

Thats not what we're discussing though

Nobody is question 'why' ESPN folded Grantland. We all know its about money

Its just a shame that the 'worldwide leader in sports' can't supplement their high level content division. Do you agree with that?

Grantland was created to add credibility/interesting content to a company that was severely lacking in it

I'll be real with you....I had TPFSports which had long form, high quality content. At the end of the day, you can post the best shyt on the internet but most folks aren't that interested in reading long form anymore. I have a difficult time blaming ESPN for societies appetite for headlines over substance.

 

[NYC Rebel]

If John Walsh was still at ESPN Grantland and bill survive. Grantland dying is about office politics breh. Not numbers.

I think it's about numbers.

ESPN is in some dire straights when trying to be everything to everyone. John Walsh would still be in this fight even if still at ESPN because cost cutting was on the horizon.

Working in advertising now, I'm seeing all of the changes from companies who mostly relied on offline media having to live in an online media world. Grantland was done regardless.

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

Of course I agree with it. I just refuse to agree with the idea that ESPN had Grantland


I'll be real with you....I had TPFSports which had long form, high quality content. At the end of the day, you can post the best shyt on the internet but most folks aren't that interested in reading long form anymore. I have a difficult time blaming ESPN for societies appetite for headlines over substance.

How can you blame the entire thing on "society's appetites" when ESPN brass clearly has made some disastrous decisions and business deals that have directly resulted in this sudden "need" to cut costs drastically to make up for all the money lost? And youre clearly aware of this as you just posted an article explaining it.

 

[Absolut]

If all media was reduced to that short-sided mentality, film studios would never release anything but tentpole popcorn flicks and the only genre of music being made would be pop.

if a film studio felt it had a rough go of it over the next few years as far as what it was budgeting for, what gets cut? the arthouse spin off division they fund, or transformers 6?

 

[Brozay]

Of course I agree with it. I just refuse to agree with the idea that ESPN had Grantland


I'll be real with you....I had TPFSports which had long form, high quality content. At the end of the day, you can post the best shyt on the internet but most folks aren't that interested in reading long form anymore. I have a difficult time blaming ESPN for societies appetite for headlines over substance.

I feel you, its a sad state of affairs the way media consumption has gone