Grizzlies hire Dave Joerger as Head Coach

[tremonthustler1]

The only reason Hollins is no longer the Grizzlies coach is because he wouldn't coach his team based on analytics. Everyone knows the coach they hired would be a Hollinger puppet.

How do you coach a team based on advanced statistics? You don't. It's not as if there's some strategy you can implement that makes you look like LeBron. That's like saying the Spurs and Heat do it. The only move he made based on what advanced stats would indicate was trading Rudy Gay, and practically anyone who closely follows the Grizzlies would tell you if you could have moved Gay, do so.

 

[Sunalmighty]

The only reason Hollins is no longer the Grizzlies coach is because he wouldn't coach his team based on analytics. Everyone knows the coach they hired would be a Hollinger puppet.

What is this analytics b.s. that goofy, sappy nicca "#1 pick" CONSTANTLY says that.

 

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

How do you coach a team based on advanced statistics? You don't. It's not as if there's some strategy you can implement that makes you look like LeBron. That's like saying the Spurs and Heat do it. The only move he made based on what advanced stats would indicate was trading Rudy Gay, and practically anyone who closely follows the Grizzlies would tell you if you could have moved Gay, do so.

I didn't say coach based on advanced stats. I said coach based on stats, stats as in where a guy makes most of his shots from and have him only shoot from there or pass the ball. Stats as in starting lineups that aren't the most talented but put up certain numbers that satisfies Hollinger. It's plenty of ways to manipulate metrics and shyt. Don't act as if there's no way to coach based on stats.

 

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

What is this analytics b.s. that goofy, sappy nicca "#1 pick" CONSTANTLY says that.

I take it you don't participate in fantasy basketball. Neither do I but if you did you would be in love with that shyt. I hate it.

 

[El Bombi]

How do you coach a team based on advanced statistics? You don't. It's not as if there's some strategy you can implement that makes you look like LeBron. That's like saying the Spurs and Heat do it. The only move he made based on what advanced stats would indicate was trading Rudy Gay, and practically anyone who closely follows the Grizzlies would tell you if you could have moved Gay, do so.

It also have to with how many minutes a player get on the court. From my understanding, John Hollinger wanted Lionel Hollins to play certain players in a specific amount of minutes. Because analytics show that the performance of the team is dictated by who is on the court in a certain amount of minutes. John Hollinger also wanted Lionel Hollins to give the younger players more minutes, so they might develop. That's a good idea in baseball and football, but trying to develop younger players in the NBA is much harder. Most of the time a player either have it or he don't in the NBA, and if that player do develop. What make them think, that player is going to stay and not sign with a bigger market team for more money. You basically become a farm system for other NBA teams.

 

[Sunalmighty]

I take it you don't participate in fantasy basketball. Neither do I but if you did you would be in love with that shyt. I hate it.

So wait, this nicca preaches a fantasy basketball setting as a tool that would shut down Jordan had he played in this era?

 

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

So wait, this nicca preaches a fantasy basketball setting as a tool that would shut down Jordan had he played in this era?

Basically.

 

[tremonthustler1]

I didn't say coach based on advanced stats. I said coach based on stats, stats as in where a guy makes most of his shots from and have him only shoot from there or pass the ball. Stats as in starting lineups that aren't the most talented but put up certain numbers that satisfies Hollinger. It's plenty of ways to manipulate metrics and shyt. Don't act as if there's no way to coach based on stats.

Everybody does though. There's a geek in every office designed to overanalyze this shyt. Hollinger just happens to be one who created a formula for it.

82games.com practically lives to break down stats like that. They're more extreme than you would be, but you both have the same concept. If you think a certain pairing doesn't work well together (for argument's sake, STAT and Melo), those metrics may tend to agree with you.

The problem with Hollinger (and why Hollins left) is that Hollinger can't admit to when someone bucks his trend. You do have to watch the games, and Hollinger thinks he can build a team without doing that. Now so far he's got a WCF appearance so something's being done correctly. We just have to see how radical he'll get.

 

[tremonthustler1]

It also have to with how many minutes a player get on the court. From my understanding, John Hollinger wanted Lionel Hollins to play certain players in a specific amount of minutes. Because analytics show that the performance of the team is dictated by who is on the court in a certain amount of minutes. John Hollinger also wanted Lionel Hollins to give the younger players more minutes, so they might develop. That's a good idea in baseball and football, but trying to develop younger players in the NBA is much harder. Most of the time a player either have it or he don't in the NBA, and if that player do develop. What make them think, that player is going to stay and not sign with a bigger market team for more money. You basically become a farm system for other NBA teams.

True. Analytics don't believe in someone having the hot hand or not and removes the human element from a lot of things. There aren't layers of human context to it.

 

[Air Nikes N Hats]

How do you coach a team based on advanced statistics? You don't. It's not as if there's some strategy you can implement that makes you look like LeBron. That's like saying the Spurs and Heat do it. The only move he made based on what advanced stats would indicate was trading Rudy Gay, and practically anyone who closely follows the Grizzlies would tell you if you could have moved Gay, do so.

Moving Gay was a result of finances....granted they got back solid pieces but the only way this trade becomes favorable is if Ed Davis gets a lot of playing time (maybe they move Zbo and put Ed in the starting lineup)

 

[tremonthustler1]

Moving Gay was a result of finances....granted they got back solid pieces but the only way this trade becomes favorable is if Ed Davis gets a lot of playing time (maybe they move Zbo and put Ed in the starting lineup)

Moving Rudy also had to do with the fact that for the money he gets, his production doesn't warrant it. That is something advanced metrics would agree with. Hollinger replaced an overpaid Gay with guys like Prince and Davis who don't play as much and don't produce as much, but in the limited amount of PT give you conceivably more bang for your buck.

 

[Air Nikes N Hats]

Moving Rudy also had to do with the fact that for the money he gets, his production doesn't warrant it. That is something advanced metrics would agree with. Hollinger replaced an overpaid Gay with guys like Prince and Davis who don't play as much and don't produce as much, but in the limited amount of PT give you conceivably more bang for your buck.

True, he wasnt worth anything close to a max contract. As far as Prince and Davis.....Davis could be a special player, however that depends on how much time he gets and whether the organization feels hes worth developing.

 

[El Bombi]

Moving Gay was a result of finances....granted they got back solid pieces but the only way this trade becomes favorable is if Ed Davis gets a lot of playing time (maybe they move Zbo and put Ed in the starting lineup)

That is the flaw in John Hollinger system. If Ed Davis do develop, what make John Hollinger think Ed Davis will stay and not sign with a big market team. You end up developing players for the big market teams. Which is basically a farm system. I guess that's why they hired a NBDL coach.

 

[tremonthustler1]

That is the flaw in John Hollinger system. If Ed Davis do develop, what make John Hollinger think Ed Davis will stay and not sign with a big market team. You end up developing players for the big market teams. Which is basically a farm system. I guess that's why they hired a NBDL coach.

That is where you can't compare it to football and baseball. Analytics in those sports can allow youto sign a player to a steal of a deal before they realize it. You don't even have to be a super high advanced metric grader to get a bloated deal. The locating of diamonds in the rough only impacts a small scale of guys. It's important for finding that last rotation player in free agency or a draft steal. Great players will be great. Advanced numbers don't need to be shown to indicate that.

 

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

Everybody does though. There's a geek in every office designed to overanalyze this shyt. Hollinger just happens to be one who created a formula for it.

82games.com practically lives to break down stats like that. They're more extreme than you would be, but you both have the same concept. If you think a certain pairing doesn't work well together (for argument's sake, STAT and Melo), those metrics may tend to agree with you.

The problem with Hollinger (and why Hollins left) is that Hollinger can't admit to when someone bucks his trend. You do have to watch the games, and Hollinger thinks he can build a team without doing that. Now so far he's got a WCF appearance so something's being done correctly. We just have to see how radical he'll get.

I would love to see Hollinger run across a coach like Phil Jackson and suggest he coach his team based on synergy Phil would chew that nerd the fukk out and make him go back to ESPN with that shyt. Nobody has credited their success of a championship to that. They can try that moneyball shyt all they want while the Yankess(Heat) keep on winning chips.

Memphis tryna find ways to win without spending money. This game is simple, the most talent wins. It's always been this way and always will be. Spend the money on the best players instead of tryna pull the Billy Beane cheap roster overachieving by making the playoffs type of shyt.