GS and the referee bias cannot be ignored anymore

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

If we were to breakdown that possession where Iggy hacked Bron on the arm - the first indiscretion is actually Bron traveling, yet we have the majority of this board acting as if that play was completely based on the refs missing the foul (whilst disregarding the travel beforehand). If that play was called correctly - it would've resulted in a Bron turnover - not Iggy being called for a foul.

Looks like the NBA agrees with me -

NBA referees make glaring mistakes, too, so now we know PBA officials do not have a monopoly in this department.

On Tuesday, NBA's technical staff admitted referees made a mistake by failing to call a travelling call on Cleveland superstar LeBron James with 1:36 minutes left in overtime and the Cavaliers leading the Golden State Warriors, 92-91, in Game Two of the NBA Finals.

In the crucial play, James drove the lane and, met by three Warriors defenders, clearly took steps before putting up a shot.

James eventually went for a fallaway jumper and was hacked in the arm by Warriors forward Andre Iguodala - a non-call which the NBA admitted was also incorrect, meaning the refs missed two calls in one play.

I guess we can now stop talking about how that non-call went against the Cavs.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Here's the officiating review report detailing what happened over the last two minutes and overtime - http://official.nba.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2015/06/L2M-CLE-GSW-6-7-15-FINALS-GAME-2.pdf

Only TWO plays where the incorrect call/incorrect non-call went against the Cavs
And ONE play where the incorrect call/incorrect non-call went against the Warriors

That last play of regulation that everyone claims was a foul - the NBA says otherwise (CNC = Correct non-call) -

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

Being dumbfounded and finding something hilarious are two completely different things. I've already stated why the majority think the officiating is favoring GS - I'm not confused about any of this. Clearly you and everybody else that's in agreement with your viewpoint are.

And how does that have any significance? You don't think there's a Cavs fan out there that thinks the officiating has been bad for both teams in equal measure?

Then explain to me how I can acknowledge the refereeing mistakes that go against the Cavs but you can't do the same with the ones that go against the Warriors?

This is the issue here, yall are only telling one side of the story.

You are so full of shyt at every turn Sarcastically saying "I find it hilarious" the way you did means you don't understand something and you're frustrated by it. You're dumbfounded.

There's certainly no CAVS fan that thinks the Cavs were gifted the game the way that some Warriors fans have admitted. People went against their strong preconceived biases on this because the shyt was so blatant, and yet you're gonna sit there with this "its bad on both sides" narrative that is so false and just pathetically desperate - a last resort. Only "one side" is being told because the other side is a phantom narrative simply constructed as an alternative to what we all actually witnessed.

The significance of pointing out people with strong biases still admitting the lopsided officiating is self-evident. It certainly holds more significance than the poster you tried to quote as credible - a troll character w/ an alleged monetary interest on the game whose greatest observations all involve calling players fakkits.

 

[Osmosis]

The Draymond Green foul during the jump-ball was the most egregious. The refs know he has a propensity to hold players down during jump-balls and yet they still let him get away with a blatant hold.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

You are so full of shyt at every turn Sarcastically saying "I find it hilarious" the way you did means you don't understand something and you're frustrated by it. You're dumbfounded.

No it means I find it hilarious that dudes can't be objective by only telling one side of the story. Just like you're frustrated when I see through your lies and deceptive behavior.

There's certainly no CAVS fan that thinks the Cavs were gifted the game the way that some Warriors fans have admitted.

This talking point is futile due to the fact you can't provide evidence of this. This rhetoric of referencing fans as a vantage point is forever in conflict, because i) they're FANS ii) you'll find a fan that will disagree with what you deem as the 'consensus'. If you actually went over the game with a fine-toothed comb and an objective eye, you'd see that the calls went BOTH ways - just as equally [at different wavelengths during the game]. But we both know you're not going to do that, because if clashes with your agenda.

People went against their strong preconceived biases on this because the shyt was so blatant, and yet you're gonna sit there with this "its bad on both sides" narrative that is so false and just pathetically desperate - a last resort. Only "one side" is being told because the other side is a phantom narrative simply constructed as an alternative to what we all actually witnessed.

You're saying a bunch of nothing here. Explain why these same people aren't talking about the calls/non-calls that went against the Warriors?

The significance of pointing out people with strong biases still admitting the lopsided officiating is self-evident. It certainly holds more significance than the poster you tried to quote as credible - a troll character w/ an alleged monetary interest on the game whose greatest observations all involve calling players fakkits.

That's funny since you said this about him not too long ago -

@BuddyOmar may be a monster, but at least he's intelligent. Coli could use more of that.

Again I expect nothing less from you - constantly manipulating half-truths into whatever the topic of the day may be. And how the fukk are you going to character reference ONE poster whose opinion goes against yours but then not provide the same for 'people with strong biases who admit to the lopsided officiating'?

Show me these fans that have "strong biases" towards the Warriors that agree with you.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

The Draymond Green foul during the jump-ball was the most egregious. The refs know he has a propensity to hold players down during jump-balls and yet they still let him get away with a blatant hold.

While there's some truth to that, what had more effect on the outcome of the game - that missed call or this incorrect call -

"Take this for example - http://on.nba.com/1G6df72

Klay's called for his second foul in the 1st quarter [he exits the game], when he made NO contact with Shumpert's hand/arm when contesting the layup. At this point, he had nine of the Warriors' 11 points within the first five minutes of the game; the Warriors are leading and on the front foot. This mistake from the officials changed the flow of the game, which allowed the Cavs to stabilize the momentum - taking away any advantage Klay and the Warriors potentially would have had in quest of extending their lead in the first quarter.

That blunder from the officials meant the Warriors went 12-13 possessions without a player that scored 81% of their points up until the point he left the game. Yet the majority doesn't wanna acknowledge the damming effect it had on the Warriors, because i) it happened in the 1st quarter ii) they're too caught up in this agenda of pushing the contrary."

Which @GoddamnyamanProf and other agenda-pushing posters have failed to acknowledge. In fact you'll find that the contact on Klay's first foul (trying to get around screen to get to Delly - minimal contact) also occurred frequently throughout the game by other players but was barely ever called.

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

No it means I find it hilarious that dudes can't be objective by only telling one side of the story. Just like you're frustrated when I see through your lies and deceptive behavior.

This talking point is futile due to the fact you can't provide evidence of this. This rhetoric of referencing fans as a vantage point is forever in conflict, because i) they're FANS ii) you'll find a fan that will disagree with what you deem as the 'consensus'. If you actually went over the game with a fine-toothed comb and an objective eye, you'd see that the calls went BOTH ways - just as equally [at different wavelengths during the game]. But we both know you're not going to do that, because if clashes with your agenda.

You're saying a bunch of nothing here. Explain why these same people aren't talking about the calls/non-calls that went against the Warriors?

That's funny since you said this about him not too long ago -


Again I expect nothing less from you - constantly manipulating half-truths into whatever the topic of the day may be. And how the fukk are you going to character reference ONE poster whose opinion goes against yours but then not provide the same for 'people with strong biases who admit to the lopsided officiating'?

Show me these fans that have "strong biases" towards the Warriors that agree with you.

1.

You must of missed the refs giving the game to GSW and I am a Warriors fan

2. Skip Bayless, acknowledged Bron and Cavs got screwed

It's not my agenda, idiot. I didnt make this thread or any of the posts cosigning it or all the 5 star votes it recieved or all the talk online and off about how one-sided the officiating was. You're attempting to argue with REALITY.

My final comment on the matter: You acknowledge the most blatant calls against Cavs because a) to deny them would be pointless, they're so obvious they're not up for debate and b) it allows you to build this farcical "both sides were bad" argument to try to shift the narrative from what actually happened. You're like a casual racist that acknowledges terrible transgressions against people of color, as long as you get to add the caviat of "white people get discriminated against too" so you can shift the narrative to a more workable and generic "everyone has to deal with tough times" refrain and away from the actual reality of the situation.

 

[Loose]

I am not doubting it was a foul, never said it wasn't. And Lebron gets away with just as much shyt as players get away on him.

I am talking about this.


Keep talking about a foul mid play, and I will keep talking about how lebron picked up the ball on an inbound pass where there is ZERO activity to pay attention too and just walks around with it at center court. Once you see that, now watch just lebron through the game I bet you see 5+ at the very least every game

Did this somehow effect the score of the game?

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

While there's some truth to that, what had more effect on the outcome of the game - that missed call or this incorrect call -

"Take this for example - http://on.nba.com/1G6df72

Klay's called for his second foul in the 1st quarter [he exits the game], when he made NO contact with Shumpert's hand/arm when contesting the layup. At this point, he had nine of the Warriors' 11 points within the first five minutes of the game; the Warriors are leading and on the front foot. This mistake from the officials changed the flow of the game, which allowed the Cavs to stabilize the momentum - taking away any advantage Klay and the Warriors potentially would have had in quest of extending their lead in the first quarter.

That blunder from the officials meant the Warriors went 12-13 possessions without a player that scored 81% of their points up until the point he left the game. Yet the majority doesn't wanna acknowledge the damming effect it had on the Warriors, because i) it happened in the 1st quarter ii) they're too caught up in this agenda of pushing the contrary."

Which @GoddamnyamanProf and other agenda-pushing posters have failed to acknowledge. In fact you'll find that the contact on Klay's first foul (trying to get around screen to get to Delly - minimal contact) also occurred frequently throughout the game by other players but was barely ever called.

There was slight contact but no less than any other number of calls including the ensuing drive by Curry on the other end. Could've gone either way, definitely not the blatantly wrong calls that went against Cavs late.

From the jump he came out super aggressive on defense (read: fouling) and easily could've been called for a foul while significantly bumping Delly on the very first Cavs possession. The first foul was contact on a screen and is something frequently called most games. So knowing that, Klay then slaps down on a breakaway drive to the rim, not once but twice, in what absolutely looked like a foul in real-time, as the announcers all agreed. Klay should be smarter but he's an idiot and has done this before. It's like he's been conditioned to think he can play super physical aggressive and the refs won't call him for another foul - because that's been the case most of the year - then when they do call the foul as they would on anyone else, he gets upset and reacts like he's pissed they won't let him play defense like Jim Carrey in Cable Guy. The home crowd throws a verbal tantrum that mirrors his entitled bytchfit and then clowns like you write online about the egregious "phantom call" that somehow negates GS getting every call down the stretch, and camouflages the illegal screens, illegal defense etc that no one even talks about.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

1.
@p00rky

2. Skip Bayless, acknowledged Bron and Cavs got screwed.

So the only examples you can provide is ONE poster who only has 1,000 posts and is deep in the red and Skip fukking Bayless?

You're not going to provide character references for either of them?

It's not my agenda, idiot. I didnt make this thread or any of the posts cosigning it or all the 5 star votes it recieved or all the talk online and off about how one-sided the officiating was. You're attempting to argue with REALITY.

It is your agenda, whether or not you made this thread or any posts cosigning it is irrelevant, as you've been beating this drum for the ENTIRE playoffs.

My final comment on the matter: You acknowledge the most blatant calls against Cavs because a) to deny them would be pointless, they're so obvious they're not up for debate and b) it allows you to build this farsical "both sides were bad" argument to try to shift the narrative from what actually happened. You're like a casual racist that acknowledges terrible transgressions against people of color, as long as you get to add the caviat of "white people get discriminated against too" so you can shift the narrative to a more workable and generic "everyone has to deal with tough times" refrain and away from the actual reality of the situation.

This is a terrible analogy. Nothing about this is immanently systematic to favoring ONE team - every team is on the same level - star power is then factored in. The problem is you and like-minded simpletons are only highlighting a FEW instances that go against ONE team over the course of an entire game, failing to add up each and EVERY incorrect call/non-call in equal measure. I dare you to go back over Game 2 with a fine-toothed comb, act as a non-partisan and you'll see that the difference/effect of incorrect calls/non-calls for both teams are a lot closer than you're making them out to be.

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

This is a terrible analogy. Nothing about this is immanently systematic to favoring ONE team

Listen

I'm smarter than you.

I understand basketball in ways you do not.

I held no previous pro or anti-Warriors bias coming into this season.

I've watched 90-some percent of Warriors basketball this season.

And I am telling you that that is ABSOLUTELY the case, and has been during the entire 2014-15 season.

Which is why I've been pointing it out all season. Not just some recent delevopment or excuse for if they win the Finals.

Now the spotlight is on Golden State and a lot of the same things are still happening.

And a lot of people are paying attention for the first time.

And now a lot of people are seeing and repeating what I've been seeing and repeating for months.

And it is making your head explode.

 

[KingJudah]

LeBron is the only superstar I've ever seen not get calls. Gotdam. I ain't a big Bron fan but this shyt is ridiculous.

Dwayne Wade gets foul calls when dudes are a foot away from him SMH.

It was hack a Lebron late in the game and the refs just acted like WWE refs when bad guys cheat.

nikka get mad calls, in GS they just give the dubs hella more calls. Reffing is atrocious all around .

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

There was slight contact but no less than any other number of calls including the ensuing drive by Curry on the other end. Could've gone either way, definitely not the blatantly wrong calls that went against Cavs late.

Klay made NO contact with Shumpert's hand/arm on the attempted layup. I looked at this play over 20 times. Tony Brothers called the foul, while being stationed behind the play - which obstructed his view from from seeing if any contact was actually made when Klay took two swipes at the ball. Zach Zarba was positioned right on the baseline, and he could see in clear view what occurred and he didn't blow his whistle. Keep in mind too that Brothers called the foul late, so it wasn't as if Zarba didn't have enough time to call a foul if he saw any contact. The replay showed the angle from the front and Klay didn't make any contact - Klay said he didn't touch him when walking to midcourt and even JVG and Jackson both admitted that there was no contact on the play.

The fact that you don't view this as a blatantly wrong call, shows your inability to view this whole scenario objectively.

So knowing that, Klay then slaps down on a breakaway drive to the rim, not once but twice, in what absolutely looked like a foul in real-time, as the announcers all agreed. Klay should be smarter but he's an idiot and has done this before.

As I said above, the announcers, just like Brothers who called the foul couldn't see the play properly in real-time. There was no contact - JVG and Jackson corrected themselves when they saw the replay. Why was Brothers even blowing a whistle on that play when he was in an impossible position to call it correctly? He should've left it to Zarba who was right there on the baseline and he didn't see anything wrong with it - the replay then showed that there was NO contact. If Brothers was in Zarba's position, he wouldn't have called a foul on Klay because he'd be able to actually see whether or not there was contact, and not just have made a judgement call without a clear view.

An incorrect call that took the momentum away from the Warriors while Klay sat out for 12-13 possessions.

It's like he's been conditioned to think he can play super physical aggressive and the refs won't call him for another foul - because that's been the case most of the year - then when they do call the foul as they would on anyone else, he gets upset and reacts like he's pissed they won't let him play defense like Jim Carrey in Cable Guy.

Delly played "super physical aggressive" in the second half, and there were a # of plays he could've been called for a foul but wasn't. Strange how you're framing this character foible on a player who you claim comparatively prospers from being one of these overruling, basketball [white] supremacy, cat-in-the-hat institutionalized overseers (and the benefits that come with it), then in the next breath say 'they call these type of fouls just as they would on anyone else' and that they won't allow him to play a cracker, uncoordinated, arms-and-legs, overaggressive type of defense?

The home crowd throws a verbal tantrum that mirrors his entitled bytchfit and then clowns like you write online about the egregious "phantom call" that somehow negates GS getting every call down the stretch, and camouflages the illegal screens, illegal defense etc that no one even talks about.

i) GS didn't get every call down the stretch
ii) Cavs got away with illegal screens when Bron was the only one the court who could create offense
iii) TT got away with hacking in the paint, Delly got away with extra contact and Bron got away with only three fouls in 50 minutes

 

[meth68]

Did this somehow effect the score of the game?

Yes, when you are supposed to lose possession when you walk or travel and do it 5+ times a game yes it obviously can effect the game.

I have a better question, why do it? We all knew how to dribble since we were 7 years old, how the fukk you forget when your 30 and its your profession?

Again does crossing half court within 8sec clock effect the score? No... Do they call it EVERY time? Yes

@GoddamnyamanProf mybad for typo 10sec was ncaa. And I am not a warrior stan or lebron hater so sorry to break that to you lol

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I held no previous pro or anti-Warriors bias coming into this season.

Your agenda against Curry extends past this season and most of all, this is just your Lakers/referees-complex rearing it's ugly head again. You're just using the Warriors to fill that void.

And I am telling you that that is ABSOLUTELY the case, and has been during the entire 2014-15 season.

Which is why I've been pointing it out all season. Not just some recent delevopment or excuse for if they win the Finals.

Now the spotlight is on Golden State and a lot of the same things are still happening.

And a lot of people are paying attention for the first time.

And now a lot of people are seeing and repeating what I've been seeing and repeating for months.

And it is making your head explode.

A lot of people are only paying attention to what they want to see, not what's actually happening. The Warriors have become the team that everybody loves to hate, and they'll use any rationale as weight to push their campaign, no matter how one sided or vacuous it may be.

Just like @Miami316 and @gtj1982 dappin your post.