I get what you mean, but refined is usually a bad thing with hip hop.
H.N.I.C. >>> Hell On Earth
- Thread starter ThaRealness
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Agree that it is the better comparison, but MM is better.
Can you make the case for HNIC over HOE?
I don't know if I'd go that far - but P was a far superior rapper on HOE as compared to HNIC. The rhymes weren't yet at Infamy level...
It's better than the Infamous?
P was definitely a top notch lyricist from 94-97. That includes Infamous, HOE and Noyd's EP. He faltered slightly on MM. But even then - he was still elite in 99. Quiet Storm was a tour de force.
Why do you think people of a smaller stature and top notch lyricists are mutually exclusive?
Why do you think talking tough and top notch lyricism are mutually exclusive?
And whether you think he was top notch or not - you're not seriously arguing his rhymes on Infamy were as good as Infamous and HOE?
ThaRealness
Superstar
I guess I can't make the case for it being objectively better. HNIC is more my style
JuvenileHell
Veteran
I vehemently disagree. HNIC was good but Prodigy was on another level on Hell On Earth. There is not one song on HNIC that is fukking with
Hell On Earth
Still Shining
Midnight Vultures
Animal Instinct
Apostle's warning
Hell On Earth is probably the closest thing we'll get to the perfection that was The Infamous. HNIC is not on that level, but it's a dope album.
Hell On Earth
Still Shining
Midnight Vultures
Animal Instinct
Apostle's warning
Hell On Earth is probably the closest thing we'll get to the perfection that was The Infamous. HNIC is not on that level, but it's a dope album.
yes imo..that album's overall sound was too regional for me
lol i never said either or was mutually exclusive..
all im saying is he was never viewed as a true lyricist in the 1st place to me, so his alleged drop off wasn't significant to the point where i felt he truly fell off..like i seen plenty people online saying he fell off on hnic, and i really didn't notice a major difference..it definitely wasn't to the extent of NORE's fall off from war report to melvin flynt (and im not saying nore was a lyricist either, im just giving an example of a obvious fall off)
HNIC is a good album but P being in meh form for a lot of the tracks hold it down for me. As opposed to Hell On Earth where he's in prime form for the entirety of the album. Hav gave him dope shyt to rap over and he killed everything, the cameos were dope. And again, it didn't drag like HNIC
JayBaldacci
All Star
I can easily go that far. It's basically carried by production.
Pinyapplesuckas
He's A Good Man
i think those
yeah i tend to skip the first song on Murda Muzik...some joints i just dont want to hear anymore..but that HNIC seems to get better every year.. P was on a decline lyrically, but he was still in a good space
Why would an album having a regional sound be a bad thing?
I asked you the questions I did because those were the only points you made in support of your contention that P wasn't a top notch lyricist.
Im dumbfounded that you can't tell the difference between early P and later P. His flow, for one, was objectively slower. He was rhyming less. He was also less creative.
I don't know. There were a lot of lyrical standouts on the album. Let me know if you disagree with any of these being lyrically nice.
Genesis
Keep it Thoro
Can't Complain
Infamous Minded
Three
Trials of Love
Veterans Memorial
You can never feel my pain
Songs like do it and rock dat shyt were lyrically wack - but that wasn't the majority to me.
What were the songs where you felt he was being carried by the production?
You skip streets raised me? P killed that.