Had Lunch With A Breh Who Works For Lawyers of a Lobby Group....America is cooked

[that guy]

Me and some brehs from college had lunch to catch up while he was in town.

Put it this way, a shyt ton of bills will be sponsored over the next 2 years specifically around gutting our healthcare system to save money

Both parties will try and cut in literally every area BUT military spending to address the 37 TRILLION dollar debt this country is in.

He confirmed that protests don't work and, if anything, piss off reps into voting against what people protest. They also get pissed off when you blow up their phones and email. So the Gaza protests were never going to change anything, especially because the Israel lobby basically paid hundreds of millions for bills that favor Israel.

Essentially, if you aren't a lobby group or know lobbies, you are fukked. The bills that get enough steam in the house will not be killed no matter what; they will only get enough amendments that satisfy opposing lobbies. Nothing in any of this exchange has consideration for constituents. So for example, when, #StopAsianHate was signed by Biden, it was because the bill was sponsored by rich Asian lobby groups that made sure it got enough steam that it wouldn't die in the House or Senate. The optics looked good for the Dems who would rely on minority group votes during the mid terms for a "blue wave" as a bonus. But really, it was the money that made it move so quickly. We didn't even get into the Republicans because all he had to say was "NRA" and we got the message.

I got home about 20 mins ago and have just been staring at my TV with nothing but disbelief. This system is so fukking corrupt and broken; I still can't believe how naive I am and many people are

The only correction here is that they aren’t cutting spending to address the deficit. They do t care about the deficit. They’re cutting spending to make up for the lost revenue from the massive tax cuts from trumps 1st and 2nd term.

 

[desjardins]

So in effect voting is pointless.

Lobbyists can spread their influence across political parties virtually making it impossible to stop what they want regardless who the majority votes for. What's to stop some really bad outcomes going forward.

Has the Trump phenomenon impacted the power lobbyists have at all? Obviously he is up for sale but at the same time he is unpredictable and untrustworthy. It seems like Musk is not completely satisfied so who knows who else got fukked by Trump behind the scenes

 

[Mister Terrific]

“Me and some brehs from college had lunch to catch up while he was in town.”

 

[Fillerguy]

This isn't private knowledge. Its talked about openly, and regularly. Its completely legal.

I have first hand experience in dealing with lobbyists when I interned at the NJ state house. For example... I had to draft memos on closed door, private sessions between these ppl and state legislators. My state legislator was an environmentalists and one of the cosponsors on an environmental bill, the big Bargnat Bay bill years ago. I only attended the sessions with the lobbyists who opposed the bill. These lobbyists represented private industries who had the influence and money to legally stall what ever my legislator was proposing, outside anything having to do with the bill. But this was NJ, the Garden State/EPA hard asses, and we had state support so support so the lobbyists were forced to concede on most areas.

Had this been reversed, the environmentalists were pushing for this bill....they have their own lobbyists but their money is nowhere as deep. But you don't really need rich sponsors to get legislation through. Make enough noise and cause a big enough disruption and you can force hands. Yes its harder because such grassroots movements are less organized than traditional corporate lobbyists but they succeed often, at the local level.


But the problem is, at the federal level, these bills are nearly 1k pages long. No one (legislators) reads them. They rely on lobbyists to draft them, like APAC. The lobbyists do what I was doing for my state legislator, often times with the assurance that the legislator would cosign the proposal. In otherwords, modern legislators are more often than not defacto corporate lobbyists themselves. Most do it to stay in office. Compromise on the shyt that doesn't directly affect their constituents, and show their ass on the shyt that hurts their people. We saw it with Trumps latest tax bill. Rethugs would say how bad the bill is and a week later vote for it. Some even said they weren't aware of some of the changes. shyt like that is why Trump and Johnson wanted it done so quickly.

 

[⠀X ⠀]

I’m shocked that you’re shocked by this.

 

[Seoul Gleou]

Sorry if I don't buy the narrative from a lobbyist lawyer about US debt. Let me guess, the next thing he said was we need to run the government like a household. That's not how superpower economies work. And the fact that we're talking about dikking around with healthcare spending but not military spending tells me all I need to know about who is saying this and why.

I got home about 20 mins ago and have just been staring at my TV with nothing but disbelief. This system is so fukking corrupt and broken; I still can't believe how naive I am and many people are

I trust him and believe what he's saying about the abject apathy to our issues from these politicians. My bone isnt so much with what they plan to do but what compels them to. Hearing it in such a matter of fact way is jarring.

 

[Depreciating Asset]

This is exactly why Stringer Bell linked up with Clay Davis. Checkers not chess brehs.

 

[Seoul Gleou]

This isn't private knowledge. Its talked about openly, and regularly. Its completely legal.

I have first hand experience in dealing with lobbyists when I interned at the NJ state house. For example... I had to draft memos on closed door, private sessions between these ppl and state legislators. My state legislator was an environmentalists and one of the cosponsors on an environmental bill, the big Bargnat Bay bill years ago. I only attended the sessions with the lobbyists who opposed the bill. These lobbyists represented private industries who had the influence and money to legally stall what ever my legislator was proposing, outside anything having to do with the bill. But this was NJ, the Garden State/EPA hard asses, and we had state support so support so the lobbyists were forced to concede on most areas.

Had this been reversed, the environmentalists were pushing for this bill....they have their own lobbyists but their money is nowhere as deep. But you don't really need rich sponsors to get legislation through. Make enough noise and cause a big enough disruption and you can force hands. Yes its harder because such grassroots movements are less organized than traditional corporate lobbyists but they succeed often, at the local level.


But the problem is, at the federal level, these bills are nearly 1k pages long. No one (legislators) reads them. They rely on lobbyists to draft them, like APAC. The lobbyists do what I was doing for my state legislator, often times with the assurance that the legislator would cosign the proposal. In otherwords, modern legislators are more often than not defacto corporate lobbyists themselves. Most do it to stay in office. Compromise on the shyt that doesn't directly affect their constituents, and show their ass on the shyt that hurts their people. We saw it with Trumps latest tax bill. Rethugs would say how bad the bill is and a week later vote for it. Some even said they weren't aware of some of the changes. shyt like that is why Trump and Johnson wanted it done so quickly.

This is where we asked him about what the hell they actually do. He told us that they write what their clients need and bake in shyt they know they wont get with the assumption that amendments will be made.

This whole process being real and how removed we, as constituents, are is insane.

 

[Belize King]

So in effect voting is pointless.

Lobbyists can spread their influence across political parties virtually making it impossible to stop what they want regardless who the majority votes for. What's to stop some really bad outcomes going forward.

Has the Trump phenomenon impacted the power lobbyists have at all? Obviously he is up for sale but at the same time he is unpredictable and untrustworthy. It seems like Musk is not completely satisfied so who knows who else got fukked by Trump behind the scenes

Some states (California) have direct democracy. You as a citizen can sponsor your own bill, get signatures and it will become an initiative to be voted on during elections.

Honestly, politicians/corporations will do what’s best for them. If every state had this, we the people would be able to get our own at times.

 

[SunZoo]

We are our own government...let it fall.

 

[badboys11]

Marching down the street holding signs was effective back in the 60s. Organized protests never evolved past that level

You have to starve the beast

Take your money out of circulation. Stop spending money on these companies only for them to lobby against your interests.

People don't want to listen. Damn near everybody my age should at least have a mortgage, instead almost an entire generation spent the house money on cars, fancy vacations and irresponsible child rearing. Always going out to eat and the person cooking your $100 dinner is riding the bus to get home. Don't own shyt.

Yeah it's gonna get worse, and the ones most impacted are going to be the ones with medical issues. After the United healthcare CEO got shot and the healthcare industry was exposed, u woulda thought people would start cancelling their health insurance and refusing to pay premiums until reform was done. Instead everybody posted Luigi super mario memes and moved on. Not a damn thing was done

We moving into a new era, even 10 yrs ago was a completely different time period. We in the black mirror era, everybody running around with cell phones observing what's going on and posting tweets observing the Idiocracy but nobody wants to be the person in front of the camera sacrificing themselves for the greater good. Nobody wants to make sacrifices in their personal lives. Elon Musk is down for genocide but let's all give him money and buy cyber trucks so we can flex on poor people

These politicians, the lobbyists are not the same from 10 yrs ago. Keep thinking it's business as usual, that's how we got Latinos for Trump. Now they all know somebody getting deported. Its not too late, they can still be stopped but it gonna take a couple of years of sacrifice and that's not happening in America. If u have medical issues and depend on health insurance, now would be a good time to write your will cause they fixing to deny deny deny and hoard all the money so they continue lobbying.

 

[bourgeoisie tall freak]

yeah america is cooked. could have just put periodt.
cuz lobby groups dont always get what they want despite the popular conspiracy theories
the car industry has lobby groups and lawyers
that didnt stop the gov from enacting clean car laws
why do you think you see so many EVs and hybryd.... you think they wanted to make electric cars?

 

[Seoul Gleou]

yeah america is cooked
but lobby groups dont always get what they want
the car industry has lobby groups and lawyers
that didnt stop the gov from enacting clean car laws
why do you think you see so many EVs.... you think they wanted to make electric cars?

We have a 100% tarrif on EVs from China

That happens because the lobby knows the American auto companies will die since they cant compete. If we really cared about capitalism and politicians wanted whats cheaper and better for us, we'd have BYD cars for 15k in the country.

Instead we have boer mobiles and shytty versions of better EVs

 

[Still Benefited]

The US is a dying superpower and is transitioning into its final form as a Cold War era Latin American dictatorship

You guys have fun with thay. At least you can say you never "flee'd" when the going got tough. Yall were good loyal Americans/Babylonians til the very end

 

[bourgeoisie tall freak]

We have a 100% tarrif on EVs from China

That happens because the lobby knows the American auto companies will die since they cant compete. If we really cared about capitalism and politicians wanted whats cheaper and better for us, we'd have BYD cars for 15k in the country.

Instead we have boer mobiles and shytty versions of better EVs

we dont even have the charging infrastructure to support the evs in this country alone, let alone floodng china evs
its sounds like a good concept until you actually write it out on paper