Haiti: photojournalist shot in face as senator opens fire outside parliament

[gho3st]

That's nice and all but Papa Doc is the reason why Haiti is poorer than the DR when it should be neck and neck with DR. Prior to Papa Doc taking power Haiti was neck and neck with DR until he sabotaged the economy. More importantly my step-father's family actually worked under the Duvaliers and my step father has nothing good to say in what he told me so.... Haiti doesn't need anymore dictators like what the heck? And in terms of crimes Haiti actually has the least amount of crimes in the Caribbean prior to the protests. Like seriously dude. in mean... There was also less crime Mussolini's Italy.

I was talking more about security instead of the economy.My father still lives there. So I know. What really killed the country was Aristide returning to power. It killed any Hope the country had.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

I was talking more about security instead of the economy.My father still lives there. So I know. What really killed the country was Aristide returning to power. It killed any Hope the country had.

Uh... Of course there will be "security" when dictators are in power. Oh I also forgot to mention that Duvalier was responsible for the Lebanese/Syrian mafia elite we see today strangling the country. Also he(not Aristide) was responsible for the massive brain drain and collapse of the Haitian middle class. What is up with your type and trying to pin this mess on Aristide? Fact is the majority of Haitians not only supported Aristide but actual docs shows that the instability we see in Haiti was after the 2004 coup AGAINST Aristide by the Core group. More importantly many Haitians(in Haiti and the poor to be exact) credit Aristide with developing with heath sector, roads and even housing.


Compared to the shytty housing the Core group build after the Earthqauke. But speaking of health...

Your father still lives there? That's cool, nice and dandy but I also have fam and friends who live there. Heck I have friends who been giving me the run around on whats happening. All this pinning the blane on Aristide is not rooted in reality and is really oligarchy propaganda. If anything the country was going in the correct direction with him. @loyola llothta @For Da Bag do yall see this?

 

[gho3st]

Uh... Of course there will be "security" when dictators are in power. Oh I also forgot to mention that Duvalier was responsible for the Lebanese/Syrian mafia elite we see today strangling the country. Also he(not Aristide) was responsible for the massive brain drain and collapse of the Haitian middle class. What is up with your type and trying to pin this mess on Aristide? Fact is the majority of Haitians not only supported Aristide but actual docs shows that the instability we see in Haiti was after the 2004 coup AGAINST Aristide by the Core group. More importantly many Haitians(in Haiti and the poor to be exact) credit Aristide with developing with heath sector, roads and even housing.


Compared to the shytty housing the Core group build after the Earthqauke. But speaking of health...

Your father still lives there? That's cool, nice and dandy but I also have fam and friends who live there. Heck I have friends who been giving me the run around on whats happening. All this pinning the blane on Aristide is not rooted in reality and is really oligarchy propaganda. If anything the country was going in the correct direction with him. @loyola llothta @For Da Bag do yall see this?

"Pa néglijé bayo sa yo mérité", "a lon bèl zouti sa".... you know what these words mean? you know who said them? There's no way you can tell me Aristide had the country going in the right direction. Aristide used to get a cut of drug deals that happen in teh country. And he's the same one who used to sell them out to the DEA too I know this shyt for a fact.

And i know about the billionaire/millionaire arab elite putting a strangehold on the country's economy. Word is some of the gangs there work for them lol.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

"Pa néglijé bayo sa yo mérité", "a lon bèl zouti sa".... you know what these words mean? you know who said them? There's no way you can tell me Aristide had the country going in the right direction. Aristide used to get a cut of drug deals that happen in teh country. And he's the same one who used to sell them out to the DEA too I know this shyt for a fact.

And i know about the billionaire/millionaire arab elite putting a strangehold on the country's economy. Word is some of the gangs there work for them lol.

You just exposed yourself. The whole Aristide cutting drug deals is a major Duvalierist propaganda narrative. Like what the hell? The only person who was "cutting drug deals" was
Youri Latortue who actually helped oust Aristide. Like WTF? More importantly I see you side stepped the materials I posted.

 

[gho3st]

You just exposed yourself. The whole Aristide cutting drug deals is a major Duvalierist propaganda narrative. Like what the hell? The only person who was "cutting drug deals" was
Youri Latortue who actually helped oust Aristide. Like WTF? More importantly I see you side stepped the materials I posted.

my nikka. My aunt used to work with this lady whose husband was tight with Aristide. He used to sell a lot of drugs. There was was this other dude who used to live by family's summer's house. That nikka is rotting in prison now. He used to be heavy in the drug game. Nikka had a mansion built in 6 months. I may be exaggerating a bit with the 6 months, but one minute that shyt was a plot of land. ANd next a there a big ass mansion there . He used to be at Aristide house all the time.
Aristide used to be a fukking priest yet he got a lot of bodies. Dude had this radio guy called Jean dominique killed in 2000....Like who gets a 70 year old hit off?
So again, I ask you..... who said those words? "Pa néglijé bayo sa yo mérité", "a lon bèl zouti sa" .... Do you remember what followed after that??
I will shyt on any haitian who talk up Aristide. Bc that nikka is the devil incarnate

 

[loyola llothta]

Uh... Of course there will be "security" when dictators are in power. Oh I also forgot to mention that Duvalier was responsible for the Lebanese/Syrian mafia elite we see today strangling the country. Also he(not Aristide) was responsible for the massive brain drain and collapse of the Haitian middle class. What is up with your type and trying to pin this mess on Aristide? Fact is the majority of Haitians not only supported Aristide but actual docs shows that the instability we see in Haiti was after the 2004 coup AGAINST Aristide by the Core group. More importantly many Haitians(in Haiti and the poor to be exact) credit Aristide with developing with heath sector, roads and even housing.


Compared to the shytty housing the Core group build after the Earthqauke. But speaking of health...

Your father still lives there? That's cool, nice and dandy but I also have fam and friends who live there. Heck I have friends who been giving me the run around on whats happening. All this pinning the blane on Aristide is not rooted in reality and is really oligarchy propaganda. If anything the country was going in the correct direction with him. @loyola llothta @For Da Bag do yall see this?

Brainwash haitians. You see the pattern... cant provide proof. Lie about everything thats going on Haiti. Support the group that's committing genocide

The same haitians that sellout Haiti and want they family remain in power.. ..Haiti have the worst c00ns in north América. From him to that weird New Jersey poster.

In America these c00ns can't push that propaganda. Black America will call them out, that's why you see them have a right-wing views on Haiti but not in America. these weridos have to front and blend in black American culture to not look like c00ns

 

[Bawon Samedi]

I will shyt on any haitian who talk up Aristide. Bc that nikka is the devil incarnate

Don't care what a Duvalierist propagandist has to say.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Brainwash haitians. You see the pattern... cant provide proof. Lie about everything thats going on Haiti. Support the group that's committing genocide

The same haitians that sellout Haiti and want they family remain in power.. ..Haiti have the worst c00ns in north América. From him to that weird New Jersey poster.

In America these c00ns can't push that propaganda. Black America will call them out, that's why you see them have a right-wing views on Haiti but not in America. these weridos have to front and blend in black American culture to not look like c00ns

Before I was wondering what you meant about the diaspora but now I see what you mean. These types are literally everywhere online and not surprised you find many here trying to big up the Duvalier family. Its crazy... And like you said literally none of them can post materials proving their points. Aristide a drug dealer? That's already a huge red flag and at that point the convo ended. Because we KNOW it was Youri who was dealing drugs and ousted Aristide.

And the bolded is 100% true that is what they do. They adopt a pro-Black/DNC stance in America but are right-wing in Haitian politics. Heck many in the diaspora have right-wing like views even some Haitians I know. But like you said you find out their true intentions when discussing Haitian politics.

 

[loyola llothta]

my nikka. My aunt used to work with this lady whose husband was tight with Aristide. He used to sell a lot of drugs. There was was this other dude who used to live by family's summer's house. That nikka is rotting in prison now. He used to be heavy in the drug game. Nikka had a mansion built in 6 months. I may be exaggerating a bit with the 6 months, but one minute that shyt was a plot of land. ANd next a there a big ass mansion there
Aristide used to be a fukking priest yet he got a lot of bodies. Dude had this radio guy called Jean dominique killed in 2000....Like who gets a 70 year old hit off?
So again, I ask you..... who said those words? "Pa néglijé bayo sa yo mérité", "a lon bèl zouti sa" .... Do you remember what followed after that??
I will shyt on any haitian who talk up Aristide. Bc that nikka is the devil incarnate

"Pa néglijé bayo sa yo mérité", "a lon bèl zouti sa".... you know what these words mean? you know who said them? There's no way you can tell me Aristide had the country going in the right direction. Aristide used to get a cut of drug deals that happen in teh country. And he's the same one who used to sell them out to the DEA too I know this shyt for a fact.

And i know about the billionaire/millionaire arab elite putting a strangehold on the country's economy. Word is some of the gangs there work for them lol.

you cant provide proof. All you do is repeat lies your sellout family members tell you

Aristide went to court and the US didnt find anything on him c00n but they did find the haitian military officers were drug traffickers

The c00n haitian guy philippe (ex officer) that oust Aristide in 2004 which put Haiti in 15+ years US proxy occupation got locked up in the US courts for drug trafficking

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Jean Charles Moise grew up in Milot, a rural town on the outskirts of Cap Haitien. He was elected mayor in 1995 at the age of 27 by an overwhelming 85% of the vote and was re-elected for a second term in 2000. He served as mayor until he was thrown out of office following the coup on February 29, 2004. During his tenure as mayor Moise redistributed state landholdings to many landless peasants in the area, earning him great respect among the poor and powerful enemies among the elite who had previously controlled the land. Under the Duvalier dictatorships much of the land in near Milot was owned by the state and leased to absentee landlords.

These landlords would then re-lease the land to peasants at exorbitant rates up to 10 times those of the state. There is an area just below the palace of San Souci in Milot that is named Moise in honor of the man who helped the many families that now inhabit that hillside to reclaim the land that rightfully belonged to them, as dictated by Article 74 of the Haitian Constitution.

The community of Milot has changed significantly under the Lavalas government of the past decade. Just before the coup Moise received money from the national government to fix the road in downtown Milot. After Aristide was overthrown and Moise was forced into hiding, he gave the money to a construction company to undertake the project and the road was completed several months ago. He also worked closely with the community to build schools for children unable to attend the state public schools and many people in the outlying areas were able to send their children to school for the first time. Jean Charles Moise's commitment to land redistribution, community development, and education programs has made him wildly popular among the poor in the Cap Haitien/Milot area.

Following the overthrow of the elected government, Moise and over 400 other duly elected mayors were forced out of office for their affiliation with Aristide's Lavalas party. Some were replaced by appointees of the unelected interim government and other offices were left vacant, creating massive cutbacks in the provision of vital community services. On June 17, 2004 French troops, then occupying the country, broke into Moise's house, ransacked it and temporarily detained his wife. Moise was not home at the time and has been in hiding since, staying at a different house each night.

Despite the fact that he is in hiding Jean Charles Moise remains a powerful organizer and has continued to work with the community to implement his education and development programs. He often speaks on the radio from a cell phone in the woods urging people to peacefully resist the ongoing political repression and hosts international delegations encouraging cross cultural participation in the development of Milot (* see Community Schools in Northern Haiti: a Plea to the International Community). In the week leading up to the demonstration, ousted elected officials from throughout the north came to Milot to meet with Moise, discuss their situation with international observers and help organize the event. International observers interviewed several dozen men who were serving as elected officials in municipal government prior to the coup who have since been forced into hiding. All of the ousted officials that met with our group of observers agreed that it was critical for them to remain a presence in their communities even if unable to return to their homes so that they could continue with the programs they had begun and fulfill their commitment to their constituencies.

In the week leading up to the demonstration in Cap Haitien on December 16, I and several other residents of the Bay Area had the honor of accompanying Moise as human rights observers. Due to continuing safety concerns, Moise had not been in public since August 14 when he made a brief appearance at the first Lavalas demonstration in the north of Haiti since the coup. The presence of international observers provided him enough security for him to go out in public; we spent many hours walking the streets and trails of Milot and witnessed hundreds of jubilant reunions.

We also accompanied Moise to a meeting with the UN (see demonstration story) and spoke with the Haitian National Police in Cap Haitien and officials within the justice department regarding his plan to attend the demonstration on December 16. The press liason for the National Police said that they did not have a warrant for Moise and did not plan to arrest him during the demonstration. He also stated that the National Police would provide what security they could for the demonstration but emphasized that they were lacking in resources and could not face the former military alone without the backing of the UN. UN officers that we spoke with also pointed out a distinction between the regular police force and the CIMO-SWAT units who often differ in their approach, with SWAT teams frequently engaging in intimidation and illegal arrests of Aristide supporters. An anonymous source within the Cap Haitien justice department urged Moise not to attend the demonstration saying that the government recognizes him as a serious threat and could pay someone to kill him. Moise responded to this warning by insisting that he attend the demonstration, saying "I believe in the population, they will protect me".

On the day of the march Jean Charles Moise was true to his word. He watched the demonstration pass from the safety of people's houses until the marchers reached the road leading to the monument of Vetiere then slipped into the crowd unannounced. As in August the crowd went wild, immediately surrounding him to protect him with their bodies and ushering him to the monument where he spoke. Although most people could not hear his words until later that night on the radio the crowd was clearly moved by his presence and cheered triumphantly throughout his speech.

Perhaps having witnessed this peaceful demonstration and Moise's historical appearance at Vetiere on December 16 will move the Chilean UN to establish closer connections with Lavalas organizers in the north. Perhaps the knowedge of how much Moise is loved and the powerful role he can play as a peacemaker in his communities will compel the UN to lend him greater protection. Or perhaps their vision will remain clouded by misinformation. Unfortunately, just as surely as some within the UN and National Police may feel more inclined to protect Moise, others linked to the former military and unelected government are likely to feel threatened by his appearance at Vetiere making him a more high profile target for illegal arrest or assassination. It is critical that the international community continue to monitor the situation so that the authorities know that communities abroad care about our brothers and sisters in Haiti.

Beloved Mayor Continues to Serve his Community from Hiding - December 23, 2004

The bolded were all under the Lavalas party. And yet they were the devil incarnate? Yea maybe for the elites...

 

[gho3st]

Don't care what a Duvalierist propagandist has to say.

Where the fukk did i spout duvalier propaganda?? I just said it was safer then...And that's after Tonton Makout ran up on my uncle and him being minutes away from getting taken to Fort Dimanche .

Has your father's friend ever got his car shot up after leaving the bank? and eventually die from bullet wounds? Has your cousin ever got her house broken in, and her dad getting killed? You've ever got people kidnapped for ransom? Even when Drunk ass Preval was president, the person really running shyt behind the scenes was Aristide.

you cant provide proof. All you do is repeat lies your sellout family members tell you

Aristide went to court and the US didnt find anything on him c00n but they did find the haitian military officers were drug traffickers

The c00n haitian guy philippe (ex officer) that oust Aristide in 2004 which put Haiti in 15+ years US proxy occupation got locked up in the US courts for trafficking

My nikka you don't know what you're talking about. Nikka had the audacity to called his foundation La Fanmi sé la vi... That nikka is evil as fukk for a priest. Nikka lowkey incited the poor to go rob the rich back in 1991. why you think I asked if you knew what "Pa néglijé bayo sa yo mérité", "a lon bèl zouti sa..." meant? and you couldn't tell me its origin . Yea he ran for president as being for the poor. He's a very smart dude. I'm not going to deny. But he's still evil as fukk.

 

[killacal]

my nikka. My aunt used to work with this lady whose husband was tight with Aristide. He used to sell a lot of drugs. There was was this other dude who used to live by family's summer's house. That nikka is rotting in prison now. He used to be heavy in the drug game. Nikka had a mansion built in 6 months. I may be exaggerating a bit with the 6 months, but one minute that shyt was a plot of land. ANd next a there a big ass mansion there . He used to be at Aristide house all the time.
Aristide used to be a fukking priest yet he got a lot of bodies. Dude had this radio guy called Jean dominique killed in 2000....Like who gets a 70 year old hit off?
So again, I ask you..... who said those words? "Pa néglijé bayo sa yo mérité", "a lon bèl zouti sa" .... Do you remember what followed after that??
I will shyt on any haitian who talk up Aristide. Bc that nikka is the devil incarnate

Im not even Haitian and I know you're full of shyt

 

[gho3st]

Im not even Haitian and I know you're full of shyt

Its ok. you don't have to believe me. I don't really care whether you do or not tbh.

 

[Jhoon]

Its ok. you don't have to believe me. I don't really care whether you do or not tbh.

My aunts cousin step in law albino dog connection gave you away.

 

[gho3st]

My aunts cousin step in law albino dog connection gave you away.

Sure. You can think that