Hakeem Olajuwan Gives LeBron That ETHER.

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

No I'm saying any player has an agenda and you're denying it because he something bad about the player you hate the most, this is comical at this point

A player having an opinion doesn’t necessarily mean they have an agenda

 

[Professor Emeritus]

he trained him though. So he’s seen his skill set

That's another goofy af Coli take. I have no doubt that Hakeem has an idea of how good Bron is, but he knows it from watching his play in 10 Finals, not from working on one aspect of new skills in a 1-on-1 session in an empty gym back in 2011.

Not only would Bron not be able to demonstrate anything close to his full skill set in that atmosphere, but he didn't even have anything close to his fully skill set in 2011. Imagine watching Hakeem's mature skills in 1995 and then claiming you knew his whole game cause you gave him a tryout in 1985.

 

[Ben.]

A player having an opinion doesn’t necessarily mean they have an agenda

True but they could have certain biases about things, can never know for sure

 

[Smitty Belafonte]

That's another goofy af Coli take. I have no doubt that Hakeem has an idea of how good Bron is, but he knows it from watching his play in 10 Finals, not from working on one aspect of new skills in a 1-on-1 session in an empty gym back in 2011.

Not only would Bron not be able to demonstrate anything close to his full skill set in that atmosphere, but he didn't even have anything close to his fully skill set in 2011. Imagine watching Hakeem's mature skills in 1995 and then claiming you knew his whole game cause you gave him a tryout in 1985.

You said all that to just say he watched him play as well as training him. That goes without saying. And you have no idea what there training sessions were like except for the lil snippets on YouTube. Calm down bro

 

[Remote]

Doing your own research and being objectivethinking a player's skill and ability = their analysis of the game.

Some people on this site will never understand this.

 

[Cynical Thoughts]

regardless of people's position on who the Goat is, I find it fascinating how some people seem to hold against lebron what all GMs try to do.

Soooo, all these other stars won chips in spite of the organizations(competent or not)they were attached to?
Now that’s a self ether

 

[easymoneysniper]

Scoring isn’t the only thing in basketball, there’s court vision, IQ, rebounding, passing all things Lebron is better at. And even we agree that Durant is a better “scorer” Lebron still has a better ppg career average.

Lebron James is a better basketball player than Durant

I respect that.

As an all rounder, Bron is amazing, which is why he can take any team deep in the playoffs.

Let’s just say they play different roles

Bron is ball dominant, whereas KD fits into many systems better because of his skill set.

I ask you this — Peak Wade + Peak Bron vs Peak Wade + Peak KD, who you got

Assuming rest of the team is good as well. I think Bron makes bad teams very good, while KD makes very good teams great

 

[Project Pooch]

Scoring isn’t the only thing in basketball, there’s court vision, IQ, rebounding, passing all things Lebron is better at. And even we agree that Durant is a better “scorer” Lebron still has a better ppg career average.

Lebron James is a better basketball player than Durant

Defense as well. Bron has made multiple defensive teams. While KD has zero and won’t ever make one in his career. I dont think it’s that close imo.

 

[mr. smoke weed]

Things the coli has ruined forever
The word ether
Comparing NBA/NFL/etc. Players from different eras
Getting your opinion from watching games.

In 8 short years! What will the next 8 hold?!?

 

[Karume]

Soooo, all these other stars won chips in spite of the organizations(competent or not)they were attached to?
Now that’s a self ether

who said that?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Bron is ball dominant, whereas KD fits into many systems better because of his skill set.

I ask you this — Peak Wade + Peak Bron vs Peak Wade + Peak KD, who you got

Assuming rest of the team is good as well. I think Bron makes bad teams very good, while KD makes very good teams great

KD would be a better fit with Wade cause Bron and Wade overlap too much. But there are plenty of other players that Bron is a better fit with than KD is. Just look at AD - Bron does much more to maximize AD's game than KD would. If you have KD on your team then you need to find someone else to take ball-handlng and distribution duties. Just look at how much the Clippers struggled this year cause neither Kawhi nor PG13 could really fill that role.

And I agree that Bron does more to make bad teams good than KD does. But wouldn't Bron also make very good teams great? Imagine if Bron had gone to Golden State instead of KD, they would have been a nightmare on both ends.

 

[easymoneysniper]

KD would be a better fit with Wade cause Bron and Wade overlap too much. But there are plenty of other players that Bron is a better fit with than KD is. Just look at AD - Bron does much more to maximize AD's game than KD would. If you have KD on your team then you need to find someone else to take ball-handlng and distribution duties. Just look at how much the Clippers struggled this year cause neither Kawhi nor PG13 could really fill that role.

And I agree that Bron does more to make bad teams good than KD does. But wouldn't Bron also make very good teams great? Imagine if Bron had gone to Golden State instead of KD, they would have been a nightmare on both ends.

Yeah but Bron would turn Steph and Klay into spot up shooters (Klay already is to quite a bit of degree), I’m not sure if their famed off ball movement works as well with Bron as he is too much ball dominant

If I had to draft a franchise player I’d pick Bron no doubt, he’s a one man team. If I had to draft the best player for the best squad, I pick KD - he would get a long better with other superstars because he complements superstars (who tend to be more ball dominant unless they are a Centre) better.

Clippers had their problems but in general I think it’s easier to find a good ball handler / SG than a good KD.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Yeah but Bron would turn Steph and Klay into spot up shooters (Klay already is to quite a bit of degree), I’m not sure if their famed off ball movement works as well with Bron as he is too much ball dominant

If I had to draft a franchise player I’d pick Bron no doubt, he’s a one man team. If I had to draft the best player for the best squad, I pick KD - he would get a long better with other superstars because he complements superstars (who tend to be more ball dominant unless they are a Centre) better.

Clippers had their problems but in general I think it’s easier to find a good ball handler / SG than a good KD.

You must be young, LBJ played off-ball just fine in Miami when they had a offensive system that required him to:

The Evolution of King James

Durant averaged 4.2 seconds/possession on the Warriors, which is just a second or so less than what Bron was averaging his last couple years on the Heat. And KD doesn't have nearly the court vision that Bron has to keep that motion going. If he had gone to Golden State he likely would have taken a bit of time of possession away from Draymond but none at all from Steph or Klay, and would have found Steph/Klay/Draymond in more effective spots than KD ever did.

No one seriously thinks that a lineup of Steph-Klay-LeBron-Draymond would have struggled with the 2018 Rockets like KD's Warriors did.

 

[Reggie]

No he doesn't not when it doesn't fit these dudes narrative you know how that goes.

But it's his right to have his own narrative too no matter if we agree with it or not.

 

[Osmosis]

The Spurs that got taken to 7 in the first round? The way y’all overrate that team just because they beat Bron

Jordan played in one of the most diluted eras of basketball. Those Spurs teams would win the West as many times as Jordan won the East and they would instantly be better than any team Jordan faced in the finals.

I respect that.

As an all rounder, Bron is amazing, which is why he can take any team deep in the playoffs.

Let’s just say they play different roles

Bron is ball dominant, whereas KD fits into many systems better because of his skill set.

I ask you this — Peak Wade + Peak Bron vs Peak Wade + Peak KD, who you got

Assuming rest of the team is good as well. I think Bron makes bad teams very good, while KD makes very good teams great

Well, Bron only played with peak Wade for one season but KD synergizes better with Wade because their skills complement each other. However, KD wouldn't be nearly as successful with AD on this Lakers team because KD can't handle the playmaking/shot creation responsibilities that Bron can. The difference between the two is that Bron can handle a significant scoring load while also being tasked with creating for his teammates at an elite level.. KD can't. So yeah in theory KD is more portable but only if you streamline his responsibilities and have him focus on what does best: getting buckets.