Hakeem Olajuwon should be in the GOAT debate...

[AJtheOne]

In real life He's underrated.

On this forum he's overrated.

 

[UpAndComing]

1. Kareem
2. Jordan
3. Hakeem

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

op says scottie pippen is top 5 of all time based off talent Or some stupid shyt Like that. Just an utterly ridiculous statement he’s a kobe stan who desperately tries to rewrite history based off his opinions

he don’t know wtf he be talking about , hakeem one of the greatest most skilled centers ever he don’t have a case for the goat

True tinfoil hat shyt

 

[Jesus Is Lord]

Except to be in the GOAT debate, you can't really use a "not his fault" scale. You're in that discussion because of what you've proven and acheived, regardless, of what breaks you had/didn't have, otherwise, we'd be talking about that brother up North who was better than Jordan, that ain't get that break.

Dream's one of my all-time favourite players, but I think a lot of folks blur the lines of his peak and his entire career, where the latter ends up getting romanticized. His peak is undeniable, but before that his play was anything but of GOAT standard. Since he picked up the game late in life, it took him a while to get a feel for it; he had black-hole tendencies, ill-disciplined on defense, and it took him a long time to understand the concept of team-play. He's even spoken about this himself.

I didn’t use “not his fault”, to make a case for him being the GOAT, I responded to the poster who brought up his playoff record and gave some clarity. I’m not making a case for him at all. But I hear you.

 

[NoHalfWay]

Most skilled big man ever. Top 5 two way player of all time.

He’s easily in the top 5 to top 9 all time range.

 

[fifth column]

Put it this way, if Hakeem achieved what MJ did then he would be the goat. Same goes for every great player that y’all want to prop up.

 

[inndaskKy]

Put it this way, if Hakeem achieved what MJ did then he would be the goat. Same goes for every great player that y’all want to prop up.

Hakeem achieved something in terms of dominance/success that Jordan never did though as mentioned in this thread. MVP, DPOY, FMVP and ring in one season. And dominant in that entire playoffs. IN THE MIDDLE OF THE JORDAN ERA. That alone gives his case some credibility.

 

[Swagnificent]

You ready to put Bron ahead of Kobe then? Because that's essentially what you'd have to do based on that rating.

how do you figure that?

LeBron isn't in the same class as Kobe when it comes actual skill and basketball ability. All Bron has on Kobe is being a better passer and stat padder. Kobe has him beat at EVERYTHING else.

 

[Swagnificent]

op says scottie pippen is top 5 of all time based off talent Or some stupid shyt Like that. Just an utterly ridiculous statement he’s a kobe stan who desperately tries to rewrite history based off his opinions

he don’t know wtf he be talking about , hakeem one of the greatest most skilled centers ever he don’t have a case for the goat

I got Pippen Top 10 all-time not Top 5 so get your facts right.

And how am I trying to rewrite history when my views are in line with the views of NBA players?

Robert Horry said this a few years ago about Hakeem: Robert Horry Says Hakeem Olajuwon Is 20 Times Better Than Tim Duncan

Also I don't need to post the endless list of NBA players that have Kobe rated higher than LeBron.

I'm usually saying things NBA players say. You think its rewriting history cause it goes against the white media narrative.

 

[Swagnificent]

Swag's GOAT convos are thinly veiled Kobe manifestos. Like dude, we all recognize Kobe as one of the greatest to ever do it (Top 10), but yall know my opinion, he doesn't really have a case for GOAT either for a variety of reasons I've supported before, and he's forced in there by a culture where people who grew up on him are now adults and conflate being popular with being the best player ever...

shyt is ridiculous...



At this point saying LeBron isn't Top 5, I mean cool, people can have whatever opinion they want, but that obviously and clearly isn't one based in objectivity...

Kobe manifestos? How is praising Hakeem a manifesto to Kobe? Better yet I'm also in this thread arguing for Wilt as potentially my new #1 player of all-time. I just need to watch some more tape before I make that call. How would that be a Kobe manifesto?

Look. I'm just consistent in how I view basketball. I rate players based on a combination of their skill and physical tools. My highest rated players are both supremely skilled as well as all-time gifted. I apply those same principles at all times in every sport. I've already evicerated LeBron stans like you in other threads on how ya'll change your standards all the time when rating players. Before it used to be about stats and analytics for Bron stans. But now that we have guys like Doncic and Giannis bodying LeBron's numbers, we barely hear PER or analytics being mentioned by ya'll.

I'm actually consistent at all times. I don't switch it up from one argument to the next. I'm always on the same wave. If that's a Kobe manifesto then so be it.

 

[Greenhornet]

hakeem is great and up there, this thread deserves recognition but his peak was short

everyone already covered exactly why

 

[fifth column]

Hakeem achieved something in terms of dominance/success that Jordan never did though as mentioned in this thread. MVP, DPOY, FMVP and ring in one season. And dominant in that entire playoffs. IN THE MIDDLE OF THE JORDAN ERA. That alone gives his case some credibility.

MJ achieved all those things in his prime and more

 

[inndaskKy]

MJ achieved all those things in his prime and more

Nope. He did not achieve what I mentioned Hakeem did. MVP+DPOY+FMVP+ring in ONE season. During Jordan's reign. Most dominant individual season of all time. Wilt when he averaged 50+ couldn't even touch that in terms of dominance.

 

[god shamgod]

I got Pippen Top 10 all-time not Top 5 so get your facts right.

And how am I trying to rewrite history when my views are in line with the views of NBA players?

Robert Horry said this a few years ago about Hakeem: Robert Horry Says Hakeem Olajuwon Is 20 Times Better Than Tim Duncan

Also I don't need to post the endless list of NBA players that have Kobe rated higher than LeBron.

I'm usually saying things NBA players say. You think its rewriting history cause it goes against the white media narrative.

same difference Scottie pippen isn’t top 10 of all time

You’re just some kobe groupie overrating tf out a player you never even saw play to try to close the gap with Jordan

 

[fifth column]

Nope. He did not achieve what I mentioned Hakeem did. MVP+DPOY+FMVP+ring in ONE season. During Jordan's reign. Most dominant individual season of all time. Wilt when he averaged 50+ couldn't even touch that in terms of dominance.

Are you saying Hakeem>MJ in that era? And the blah blah in one season is irrelevant, has hakeem ever been unanimous MVP like Steph? Is Steph n goat talks? See how that works