Happy St Patty's Day (and why it is not the white man's fault)

[cinna_man]

I actually tried not to neg you but this post just took you over the edge


I mean, how disrespectful can one be? How can Black people giving up the only thing that identifies them (our culture) benefit us? making it Public Domain...are you serious?

when have Black folks as a whole ever benefitted in this country by allowing our culture to be taken and run with? It serves us no purpose. is this guy really this dumb?

The lack of tact & just looking down your nose at black people in your posting is like unreal. I can laugh at the typical racist crap...but this what you're doing is just sad. Real sad...its very insulting

The fact that you think it's insulting means you're ignorant that what I'm saying is true. Cultural assimilation is beneficial to the PEOPLE who assimilate. I'm not saying it's good for the 'CULTURE' itself (meaning morals within the culture) because of course they will have to change, which people could view as losing a sense of identity.

Your identity is your choice. If blacks choose their past identity, they will continue to fail as an entire population, even if there are individual successes. If blacks choose a newer identity, they will succeed.

FURTHERMORE, I also said that there are things I like about black culture. I think the mainstream culture could benefit in adapting certain things from the black culture.

It's a two way street. But in regards to the success of black people in America, it's only a one-way street. Your call.

If you say yes, you do want to adapt a newer identity. You do want to have a more open culture. You do want to be less racist. You do want to assimilate, I say: "Welcome to the party"

 

[MostReal]

The fact that you think it's insulting means you're ignorant that what I'm saying is true. Cultural assimilation is beneficial to the PEOPLE who assimilate. I'm not saying it's good for the 'CULTURE' itself (meaning morals within the culture) because of course they will have to change, which people could view as losing a sense of identity.

Your identity is your choice. If blacks choose their past identity, they will continue to fail as an entire population, even if there are individual successes. If blacks choose a newer identity, they will succeed.

FURTHERMORE, I also said that there are things I like about black culture. I think the mainstream culture could benefit in adapting certain things from the black culture.

It's a two way street. But in regards to the success of black people in America, it's only a one-way street. Your call.

but black people HAVE assimilated, we've been trying to assimilate since we were brought here. How can someone as 'smart' as you claim to be not see this.
The point I'm trying to make is...We have NOT been allowed to assimilate and do it the right way. Every time black folks tried it has been stopped. Are you truly this ignorant about black people and assimilation? We haven't wanted to be isolationist...we were made to be this & its like this this very day. SO....since we are made to do this, we are deciding to make the most of it and progress in this country anyway.

are you blind?

 

[cinna_man]

but black people HAVE assimilated, we've been trying to assimilate since we were brought here. How can someone as 'smart' as you claim to be not see this.
The point I'm trying to make is...We have NOT been allowed to assimilate and do it the right way. Every time black folks tried it has been stopped. Are you truly this ignorant about black people and assimilation? We haven't wanted to be isolationist...we were made to be this & its like this this very day. SO....since we are made to do this, we are deciding to make the most of it and progress in this country anyway.

are you blind?

It's a long process, man. No other race is doing any better. Native Americans on reservations are poor as fukk, last I heard. I don't know of any Australian Aborigines who have really done important shyt at all, no disrespect to them if they have.

I'm just saying that it needs to progress further. No matter how long you deny that fact, the same problems will be there.

I hear you on the cultural difficulties. Segregation was only stopped 50 years ago. I'm aware of a lot of white people still being racist.

Even if you were "made this way", you still have the choice of "not being this way".

The fact remains that assimilation is more beneficial than isolation, even in the case of the black culture.

 

[MostReal]

It's a long process, man. No other race is doing any better. Native Americans on reservations are poor as fukk, last I heard. I don't know of any Australian Aborigines who have really done important shyt at all, no disrespect to them if they have.

I'm just saying that it needs to progress further. No matter how long you deny that fact, the same problems will be there.

I hear you on the cultural difficulties. Segregation was only stopped 50 years ago.

Even if you were "made this way", you still have the choice of "not being this way".

The fact remains that assimilation is more beneficial than isolation, even in the case of the black culture.

No we don't man. Black people are still trying to assimilate this very moment...its way more black people in America that want to assimilate/sell out/love & be with white folks/accepted but Whites won't allow it.

when are you guys going to realize that we don't have the problem with you. Its your problem to solve, not us....we never had beef with you

Why are you denying this truth?

 

[Dirty_Jerz]

 

[godkiller]

@Roddy Right :
I said:


You said:


Ok, maybe the symbolism of a bug was lost on you. I'm referring specifically to a meme, which is like a social form of a gene. If a society was thought of as alive, it's genes would be called memes.

I will take what you wrote as what you wrote, rather than your garbled attempt to walk back on it:

"So, it really wasn't the white man's fault. It was the bug that made the difference."

The above quote from your opening post sounds like you are saying cacs are not responsible for their actions, that someone or something else made them do what they did, exactly as I proscribed. Stop lying, demon cac.

In any case, I did not deny blame to the people who committed the atrocities. I denied blame to all of the white races as a whole because they were not all part of that. They did not all get together and agree to that. You are the one drawing racial lines which, once again, makes you the racist.

You did not mention "all of the white races" at all. You did not use this term so I won't speak on it. Seems to me cacs benefit from as well as maintain the system but that isn't even in my quarrel so I won't go too much into it. As respects your racist accusations, it is not racist to recognize racism nor even to draw lines between groups. Retarded cac logic.

And you will be laughed at. See how circular this is?

I got daps.

I'm not saying any particular moral values, tribal or civilized, justify anything that happens to anyone. I'm saying that these values must change. This is not a moral judgment. It is a factual judgement.

This is indeed a moral judgement and nothing more.

I have never denied some white people being savages. Being savage does not equal having tribal or civilized values. Being savage is just being savage.

And cacs are savages as much as anyone else and I would contend more so.

Congrats, you made it, but I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about the entire population.

You can be successful and racist at the same time in this society. But being racist is only non-detrimental to your success if your race is the main race in the population. It's not fair or anything. It's just a fact, Jack.

This racist detriment did not affect your success apparently, but it affect many in the population as a whole.

I said I fight against racist cacs. The fact I fight against racist cacs doesn't make me racist. Everyone is stereotypical to a certain extent and yet everyone has different outcomes. Why?

It's a long process, man. No other race is doing any better. Native Americans on reservations are poor as fukk, last I heard. I don't know of any Australian Aborigines who have really done important shyt at all, no disrespect to them if they have.

I'm just saying that it needs to progress further. No matter how long you deny that fact, the same problems will be there.

I hear you on the cultural difficulties. Segregation was only stopped 50 years ago. I'm aware of a lot of white people still being racist.

Even if you were "made this way", you still have the choice of "not being this way".

The fact remains that assimilation is more beneficial than isolation, even in the case of the black culture.

Black Americans are already as American as they are going to get as are Natives. This assertion that they need to change themselves at base is absurd. The difference between blacks and other groups in America is 1) discrimination and 2) education. That is all. There's nothing wrong with having unique and isolated cultural nuances like the Jews have theirs. It doesn't hold anyone back so long as they do what they need to do within the context of what needs doing.

 

[cinna_man]

No we don't man. Black people are still trying to assimilate this very moment...its way more black people in America that want to assimilate/sell out/love & be with white folks/accepted but Whites won't allow it.

when are you guys going to realize that we don't have the problem with you. Its your problem to solve, not us....we never had beef with you

Why are you denying this truth?

Actually, I'm not denying the truth that white people should be less racist so that black people can succeed more. There's some truth in that. But shifting responsibility to others does nothing to help yourself because sometimes help never comes. You just have to take personal responsibility.

I know a lot of black people don't have a problem with white people. I live in a predominantly black community. However, there's a difference between "being friendly with whites" and "adopting values of whites, which have a longer history of civilization, which promotes more successful strategies for civilization".

A lot of black people (not all, but a lot) are saying: "We accept you, we don't hate you, we even like you maybe, but we don't want to be like you."

But even still, some black people do have beef with white people. This is generally termed "militant". Those are the people I'm talking to... Look no further than @Roddy Right . I'm not trying to preach to the choir.

 

[godkiller]

Actually, I'm not denying the truth that white people should be less racist so that black people can succeed more. There's some truth in that. But shifting responsibility to others does nothing to help yourself because sometimes help never comes. You just have to take personal responsibility.

I know a lot of black people don't have a problem with white people. I live in a predominantly black community. However, there's a difference between "being friendly with whites" and "adopting values of whites, which have a longer history of civilization, which promotes more successful strategies for civilization".

A lot of black people (not all, but a lot) are saying: "We accept you, we don't hate you, we even like you maybe, but we don't want to be like you."

But even still, some black people do have beef with white people. This is generally termed "militant". Those are the people I'm talking to... Look no further than @Roddy Right . I'm not trying to preach to the choir.

Although I do not support "adopting values of whites", I should add I am not really American. This is my adopted country and I don't speak for anyone but myself and those who think like me.

 

[Im Kemet Rocky & I like penis]

@cinna_man aight honkey ive had enough of your shyt..

what makes you think you can tell a african american what they need to do? what you need to do is take yo' ass to st0rmfr0nt boy. you are on the wrong forum to be talking this pseudo cac shyt..

in other words @cook @Brooklynzson

 

[cinna_man]

Lmao, although I do not support "adopting values of whites", I should add I am not really American. I wasn't born where I live now.

This is not an American problem, and this is not a black problem. This is a problem for every single culture in the world that wants to retain too much of its previous identity. Those that do, if this previous identitiy is too different from the dominant culture, they do not adapt to the new world and do not succeed. Bottomline.

Then again, maybe success is just relative. Maybe it's successful to be poor but still keeping it real or something. Your call.

 

[godkiller]

This is not an American problem, and this is not a black problem. This is a problem for every single culture in the world that wants to retain too much of its previous identity. Those that do, do not adapt to the new world and do not succeed. Bottomline.

No one is "giving up" their identity at base. The Spanaids will not. The Germans will not. The Chinese don't and haven't done it and their economy rises. The Japanese, the same. The Saudis, the same. The Israelis, the same. The Koreans, the same. Your stupidity defies belief. The new world is about education, skills, resources, business saavy and cooperation. Everyone must speak English but we do not all have to be Americans to sell to America.

Maybe Americans will have to learn Mandarin. But who knows, maybe the Americans will not want to learn it.

 

[MostReal]

Actually, I'm not denying the truth that white people should be less racist so that black people can succeed more. There's some truth in that. But shifting responsibility to others does nothing to help yourself because sometimes help never comes. You just have to take personal responsibility.

I know a lot of black people don't have a problem with white people. I live in a predominantly black community. However, there's a difference between "being friendly with whites" and "adopting values of whites, which have a longer history of civilization, which promotes more successful strategies for civilization".

A lot of black people (not all, but a lot) are saying: "We accept you, we don't hate you, we even like you maybe, but we don't want to be like you."

But even still, some black people do have beef with white people. This is generally termed "militant". Those are the people I'm talking to... Look no further than @Roddy Right . I'm not trying to preach to the choir.

look man all I got left to say to you is fix your own people's problem with us first. Black people would do great in this country if yall left us alone. History has shown this...if you really care about black folks progressing tell cacs to leave us alone and stop oppressing/controlling us. we would have been in a much better state by now if you guys would just stop. No body is stopping the train but you all. The poor ignorant black people you see today are all products from that.

As far as personal responsibility? We know its up to us to fix it...whites sure as hell aren't going to do it. Yall have proven that. Only way for us to do it is for us to do it secretly/quietly because if not cacs are going to try to destroy it again. You really need to do some more research on black history & the history of your people before you come at us with this bull ish.

 

[MostReal]

@cinna_man aight honkey ive had enough of your shyt..

what makes you think you can tell a african american what they need to do? what you need to do is take yo' ass to st0rmfr0nt boy. you are on the wrong forum to be talking this pseudo cac shyt..

in other words @cook @Brooklynzson

I'm all for it. I've never called for someone to be banned but this stuff is just clearly out of line

 

[godkiller]

Then again, maybe success is just relative. Maybe it's successful to be poor but still keeping it real or something. Your call.

Are the Koreans poor? Are the Israelis poor? What are you talking about?

Is there some sort of imaginary division between being uniquely your own nation, culture, customs, etc whilst simultaneously being successful? Are these notions mutually exclusive?

Is America not a nation of people who are culturally American, are generally resistant to change, but still succeed?

 

[cinna_man]

look man all I got left to say to you is fix your own people's problem with us first. Black people would do great in this country if yall left us alone. History has shown this...if you really care about black folks progressing tell cacs to leave us alone and stop oppressing/controlling us. we would have been in a much better state by now if you guys would just stop. No body is stopping the train but you all. The poor ignorant black people you see today are all products from that.

As far as personal responsibility? We know its up to us to fix it...whites sure as hell aren't going to do it. Yall have proven that. Only way for us to do it is for us to do it secretly/quietly because if not cacs are going to try to destroy it again. You really need to do some more research on black history & the history of your people before you come at us with this bull ish.

Well, things are a bit different now. You're not going to find destructive white mobs destroying black success anymore, like what happened with Black Wallstreet in Oklahoma.

That being said, I agree with everything else you're saying like "black people would do great in this country if yall left us alone". However, we both know that second statement is an impossibility, regardless of how moral it is. You just have to face the facts, like when you said "we know it's up to us to fix it"

Why are you arguing with me then? Just to be obtuse? To make me look wrong?