Are we talking about nations or races? As nations, they have civilized values and are doing well. As races in America, they also have more civilized values which help them succeed..
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Are we talking about nations or races? As nations, they have civilized values and are doing well. As races in America, they also have more civilized values which help them succeed..
I'm arguing with you because you lack intelligence & you are thinking that black isolationist is a bad thing. Its the only way we can fix our culture to be progressive. If we do not isolate and focus our energy we will never progress because 'you all won't leave us alone' and will continue to separate us, kill us, jail us, and dumb us down until we are destroyed. Your way is not the right way for black Americans. It only leads to destruction. Right now, the black community has too much white influence which is why its struggling right now.
The only way whites can be a benefit to us is if you all stop being roadblocks. Like you said, 'you guys won't leave us alone' so how else can we fix our flaws if we don't isolate. The dominant society does not want black people to progress...that is just a fact.
godkiller
"We are the Fury"
Are we talking about nations or races? As nations, they have civilized values and are doing well. As races in America, they also have more civilized values which help them succeed..
You said that people cannot cling to their own culture and succeed. These examples serve as proof they can. And these nations have no 'specific values' but that they they study hard and work hard, pretty much what I said before is the basis for success. They have skills, education, work ethic, business saavy, etc. That is all which is required. It has nothing to do with "emulating white people's civilization and values", which is the bullshyt you've been spouting all along. Most of these nations are very nationalist and insular too, which is a form of tribalism. You don't have any idea what you're talking about.
Starting positive movements in the black community is not the same thing as being isolationist. Nelson Mandela. Great leader. Started positive movements. Not isolationist.
godkiller
"We are the Fury"
Starting positive movements in the black community is not the same thing as being isolationist. Nelson Mandela. Great leader. Started positive movements. Not isolationist.
Japan is pretty isolationist. Which nation is better? Who owns what in Japan?
Studying and working hard is the answer, but there are many derivates of that which may not be so clear. You must work hard *as a large group of people* towards assimilation.
Some social norms, while seemingly benign, are in place to judge the character of people. Anyone who deviates from social norms in a negative way will be judged negatively, regardless of whether it was because of their ancestor's culture or not. Take the habit of using Ebonics. You can talk however you want in your down time, and no one will do anything to you. However, have a habit of it in your culture, and watch how people are incorrectly seen in a negative light (like stupid or anti-authoritarian) by some people. Sometimes this costs you jobs, promotions, sales (if you're a salesperson), etc.
Other kinds of social norms are mere benign habits on the surface, but they actually produce more success or failure in the long run. Take the Chinese value of playing a classical instrument at a young age. Benign sort of, unless you're going to become a pro musician. However, it teaches work ethic.
Also no, Chinese and Polish culture is very similar to American culture. They have already assimilated to a great extent without having to try. I'm not saying assimilate 1000%.
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Isolationist to who? I'll go with you.
If you mean outsiders that live in Japan, I don't know what happens honestly. But if Japanese people are isolationist, the outsiders lose and the Japanese race still wins within its own country. That's what I'm saying about America. If black people are isolationist, then white people still win and anyone else who adopts the civilized values (like Chinese, Indians, Israelis, Polish, etc) still win, and the blacks still lose. Being isolationist is only not detrimental if you are part of the dominant culture.
If you mean Japan being isolationist on a global scale, then I can assure you that they are less isolationist than many other countries. Take a Middle Eastern country like Iraq. Which is more isolationist, Iraq or Japan? (Iraq is) Which country is doing better, relatively? (Japan is)
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LOL, they would hate me there too. Have you missed all the parts where I've said all races are genetically basically equal, and the cultures are what really differentiates them?@cinna_man aight honkey ive had enough of your shyt..
what makes you think you can tell a african american what they need to do? what you need to do is take yo' ass to st0rmfr0nt boy. you are on the wrong forum to be talking this pseudo cac shyt..
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Starting positive movements in the black community is not the same thing as being isolationist. Nelson Mandela. Great leader. Started positive movements. Not isolationist.
we've had plenty of blackmen try to do the same thing here in America and they've been killed or shut down. I don't understand your logic? What is it you are asking black folks to do? Ebonics is something black people speak because our ancestors weren't allowed to read and write. So some blacks say "hey, I believe we can't read and write & tell this to their kids that it isn't important to do". Then when we do go to school...white folks (being the true isolationist) move all their kids out & start another school. The blacks trying to assimilate are then again stuck with their own culture so no outside values/culture or experience is gained. Those same kids are then laughed at, exploited, jailed, and killed by the same society that abandoned them. Assimilation just doesn't work in America on a grand scale for us.
The sooner black people realize that whites don't want to be around them, don't care for them the better off we will be. We can then practice positive isolation just as the whites/Asians/jews do & conserve our economics, music, etc. all to be profitable for ourselves also healing ills in the process.
White folks always think that we are the ones who are doing this to ourselves. We aren't...but we do have to fix it and the only way that can happen is we realize what is being done to us in this country. Whites need to step back and allow black folks to do these things in order to better our community.
I was going to let this thread die, and I was probably going to stop coming to this message board, but I had a realization that I had to add to this discussion. We've talked about the black side of this equation. Now, let's talk about the dominant culture side of this equation. You may call it 'white', but it's made up of any race that believes, behaves and works in a certain way; a more civilized way if you will, as civilization brings about ethics that make people succeed in civilization.
I got to thinking about the future of people, of America but more importantly, of the world. Lots of people talk about looming threats to our economy and way of life. So I asked "what would make the US, and thus the world, fail?" Well, in order to answer that, you have to know how we succeed. Take those things away, and we will certainly fail. Here are 5 mostly agreed upon things that make civilization work:
Cultural homogeneity is a threat to civilization too. Now what happens when a singular, dominant culture takes hold in a civilization? It can certainly thrive when everyone is on the same page. Great things can be accomplished. See America in the 1950s. Europe during the Renaissance. Europe and America during the Enlightenment. However, what if the leaders make a couple mistakes? What if the people that are leading get overly corrupted? Then, everyone can be led off a cliff like lemmings. This could happen with overconsumption of resources. Look at the people of Easter Island. They once thrived, but because they consumed too much, their society fell apart. History is not as rich with examples of a one-minded civilization failing, partly because there were less mistakes possible in the old days. Economies didn't require as much resource, so that wasn't a huge problem. Populations were smaller, so corruption was limited in scope. Our modern-day civilization is so large and so dominant with all objectives that it does make a bigger gamble than hardly any other civilization before it. If our leaders are wrong or if our leaders are corrupted, our entire civilization of billions of people will not immediately parish, but they will enter a sort of Armageddon until shyt is sorted out again and built back up.
Don't be a mutherfukking Simpleton now and think it doesn't matter whether there is cultural diversity or homogeneity. It matters both ways. You have to prevent too much disorder -- too much difference of opinion -- but you have to promote open-mindedness so that we don't go down the wrong path and end up crashing the society (ideally, a diversity of opinion could see that coming and prevent it). I think you have to walk a finer, more tactful line. Look at other civilizations that are considered somewhat diverse from America (China, for instance). Follow that tact.
So, there you have it. You already knew what black people have at stake, success or failure in society, if they are to adopt more civilized values or not. Now you know what the dominant culture has at stake with the future, partially dependent upon black (and other minorities') culture's decisions.
I got to thinking about the future of people, of America but more importantly, of the world. Lots of people talk about looming threats to our economy and way of life. So I asked "what would make the US, and thus the world, fail?" Well, in order to answer that, you have to know how we succeed. Take those things away, and we will certainly fail. Here are 5 mostly agreed upon things that make civilization work:
- A large, centralized population
- A surplus of food
- A centralized government
- Religious unity
- A complex division of labor
- Money collected through taxes
Cultural homogeneity is a threat to civilization too. Now what happens when a singular, dominant culture takes hold in a civilization? It can certainly thrive when everyone is on the same page. Great things can be accomplished. See America in the 1950s. Europe during the Renaissance. Europe and America during the Enlightenment. However, what if the leaders make a couple mistakes? What if the people that are leading get overly corrupted? Then, everyone can be led off a cliff like lemmings. This could happen with overconsumption of resources. Look at the people of Easter Island. They once thrived, but because they consumed too much, their society fell apart. History is not as rich with examples of a one-minded civilization failing, partly because there were less mistakes possible in the old days. Economies didn't require as much resource, so that wasn't a huge problem. Populations were smaller, so corruption was limited in scope. Our modern-day civilization is so large and so dominant with all objectives that it does make a bigger gamble than hardly any other civilization before it. If our leaders are wrong or if our leaders are corrupted, our entire civilization of billions of people will not immediately parish, but they will enter a sort of Armageddon until shyt is sorted out again and built back up.
Don't be a mutherfukking Simpleton now and think it doesn't matter whether there is cultural diversity or homogeneity. It matters both ways. You have to prevent too much disorder -- too much difference of opinion -- but you have to promote open-mindedness so that we don't go down the wrong path and end up crashing the society (ideally, a diversity of opinion could see that coming and prevent it). I think you have to walk a finer, more tactful line. Look at other civilizations that are considered somewhat diverse from America (China, for instance). Follow that tact.
So, there you have it. You already knew what black people have at stake, success or failure in society, if they are to adopt more civilized values or not. Now you know what the dominant culture has at stake with the future, partially dependent upon black (and other minorities') culture's decisions.
It makes me think about the Visigoths and the Vikings of Europe again. These were brutal cultures. True tribes that are not depicted accurately all the time (I think the memories are too fond and cute and inaccurate; like oh Norse God Thor, he's cute and cool). Lots of people in modern day do descend from them genetically. But do we retain much of their morality? Hell no. As cultures, the Goths and the Vikings are virtually extinct. That is the very scary notion to African Americans, in this very decision we are discussing. The culture that they fought SO HARD to protect is now becoming a bigger and bigger threat to themselves and to others. Do they drop it and give up all of their ancestors' works, or do they accept the future as a world with only new possibilities and support the new world they live in?
I'm sure once upon a time, the European tribes faced the same questions as they went through a thousand years of servitude as peasants to the more civilized folk in Europe, who probably descended in some way from the aristocracy of Rome and Greece. Well, eventually, Europe got out of the Dark Ages as everyone began to buy in. World exploration and science occurred, and the rest (they say) is history....
And this is why America/England/Ireland/France/etc considers itself part of Western Civilization "a continuation of Greece and Rome", not (for instance) "England: Home of the people who built Stonehenge and fought for tribal territory 'Game of Thrones style' across the British Isles". I would say America has the greatest "western spirit" of anybody because its founders were the most removed from their ancestors' homeland, which was mostly in Britain. In Europe, every single country has a unique pride (but post-World War 2 this seems to be diminishing) to it which keeps it from fully realizing it's civilized, modern potential. Morals of old always seem to hold people back. America has the least holding it back, enabling it to buy into the concept of progress and continuation of Greece and Rome more than anyone. Also, enabling it to handle more immigrants from diverse cultures than anywhere else. It's like adding a pinch of salt to a batch of cookies; they're still going to be sweet.
Essentially, all of the successful individual people and successful groups/cultures of people have done it by gobbling up various cultures outside of their comfort zone and taking it if it worked and spitting it out if it didn't work. Basically, accepting the new rules of the game and ignoring any past preconceptions. Basically, cultural exploitation and appropriation. Basically, evolving. Do you believe in evolution?
I'm sure once upon a time, the European tribes faced the same questions as they went through a thousand years of servitude as peasants to the more civilized folk in Europe, who probably descended in some way from the aristocracy of Rome and Greece. Well, eventually, Europe got out of the Dark Ages as everyone began to buy in. World exploration and science occurred, and the rest (they say) is history....
And this is why America/England/Ireland/France/etc considers itself part of Western Civilization "a continuation of Greece and Rome", not (for instance) "England: Home of the people who built Stonehenge and fought for tribal territory 'Game of Thrones style' across the British Isles". I would say America has the greatest "western spirit" of anybody because its founders were the most removed from their ancestors' homeland, which was mostly in Britain. In Europe, every single country has a unique pride (but post-World War 2 this seems to be diminishing) to it which keeps it from fully realizing it's civilized, modern potential. Morals of old always seem to hold people back. America has the least holding it back, enabling it to buy into the concept of progress and continuation of Greece and Rome more than anyone. Also, enabling it to handle more immigrants from diverse cultures than anywhere else. It's like adding a pinch of salt to a batch of cookies; they're still going to be sweet.
Essentially, all of the successful individual people and successful groups/cultures of people have done it by gobbling up various cultures outside of their comfort zone and taking it if it worked and spitting it out if it didn't work. Basically, accepting the new rules of the game and ignoring any past preconceptions. Basically, cultural exploitation and appropriation. Basically, evolving. Do you believe in evolution?
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Essentially, black people have to lose and submit and enter into the rest of society as equals. Others will have to look at them as equals (we're getting there and waiting), and they will have to look at others as equals (we're getting there too).
You think being defiant will bring power to the black people? No, it will hold them back. Look at civilization. Power is generally won by the subservient, because they play by the rules better, and rules are better upheld in a civilization than a tribe.
I really wished you'd be honest about what you're saying 
black folks have already 'lost' & submitted a long time ago. why do you think you see all these koons running around
I think the lost you want is the same one I'm thinking of & sorry we just aren't going for that. That lost you are talking about is 'death' because that is truly what yall want. Just come out and say it because that is what cacs actions show.
black folks have already 'lost' & submitted a long time ago. why do you think you see all these koons running around
I think the lost you want is the same one I'm thinking of & sorry we just aren't going for that. That lost you are talking about is 'death' because that is truly what yall want. Just come out and say it because that is what cacs actions show.