Hard Truth: MLK and Integration has set Blacks on a path we will never recover from.

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Integration killed our racial pride and made us (over time) forget who is responsible for our current plight.

Racism went from overt to now covert which has successfully drained us of our fighting spirit. You see people say here all the time "there is no black community", well that's a result of integration.

BlackWallStreet existed in the first place because we acknowledged that WE were all that we had and we KNEW who our enemy was.
 

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i feel guilty for thinking that anyone who fought and died to integrate was mentally ill.
why would you trust someone with your food that hates you? why would you want to be educated by someone who believes you're less than a human. why would you financially support people who did everything they could to keep you in poverty? this is why the message of Elijah M. resonated with me. SELF SUFFICIENCY is what all blacks should strive for, regardless of religious ideology.

At the end of his life MLK did realize and speak to the importance of cooperative economics , but sadly he was killed by the same people he wanted to love :francis:
 

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What about being able to eat at a fast food restaurant or being allowed to use the bathroom indoors is stopping us from organizing?

You gotta think about the kind of shyt that seems effortless now that was illegal or worse back then.

No one is holding Black people back. Not white people and not MLK. Even if white people are making it hard on us... it's gonna be hard. Jungle rules. Either we can survive out here or we will vanish.

It's all on us now. We have all the "freedom" and "rights" we gonna have given to us. The rest we have to take and be able to hold.

Just so I'm clear: there's alot against us. We are hated worldwide. But fukc them. Either we gonna circle our wagons and hold our square or not. No one is coming to save us.
 

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You didn't answer my question, or should I assume nothing? I can tell you what I'm doing, should you care to know.

If everyone believed "there's nothing an individual can do" then we've already lost. It means that Marcus Garvey, Malcolm X, Denmark Veasy, Nat Turner, so many others never should've tried.

An individual can spark change by inspiring others.

But if you're only making threads about where black leaders from 60 years ago made mistakes with out talking about what you are doing to fix the problem you're not fixing the problem.

To be fair talk is cheap.

I applaud Malcolm X and think he was one of the greatest humans ever, even he couldnt fix the problem. Lets be real. What can i do? Im not that special. Malcolm and Garvey were special and couldnt fix thing. Hell God cant even help us.

Just be real, fukk all the positive make believe shyt.

OP, replace "we" with "I"

Negro please. We're all in the same boat. Oppressed and depending on the Oppressor to live.
 

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I applaud Malcolm X and think he was one of the greatest humans ever, even he couldnt fix the problem. Lets be real. What can i do? Im not that special. Malcolm and Garvey were special and couldnt fix thing. Hell God cant even help us.

Just be real, fukk all the positive make believe shyt.



Negro please. We're all in the same boat. Oppressed and depending on the Oppressor to live.
No we aren't. I don't depend on anyone to live I know how to grow my own food and clean my own water. I do it for convenience. First. Second like I said replace we with I because I'm not on your team. We may both be oppressed but your on team give up and I'm on team build. Me personally I understand my history and place in the world and I can communicate that with my family and friends and build from there. You are defeated and a cancer to those who are winning in their struggle. Your weak and that's what ever just don't include those who aren't weak with you.
 

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No we aren't. I don't depend on anyone to live I know how to grow my own food and clean my own water. I do it for convenience. First. Second like I said replace we with I because I'm not on your team. We may both be oppressed but your on team give up and I'm on team build. Me personally I understand my history and place in the world and I can communicate that with my family and friends and build from there. You are defeated and a cancer to those who are winning in their struggle. Your weak and that's what ever just don't include those who aren't weak with you.


Things is we all have giving up on Black empowerment and independency. You and most are trying to build up a system inside of a system. And the system youre trying to build inside of doesn't want you to have much.
 

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No we aren't. I don't depend on anyone to live I know how to grow my own food and clean my own water. I do it for convenience. First. Second like I said replace we with I because I'm not on your team. We may both be oppressed but your on team give up and I'm on team build. Me personally I understand my history and place in the world and I can communicate that with my family and friends and build from there. You are defeated and a cancer to those who are winning in their struggle. Your weak and that's what ever just don't include those who aren't weak with you.


Things is we all have giving up on Black empowerment and independency. You and most are trying to build up a system inside of a system. And the system youre trying to build inside of doesn't want you to have much.
 

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I applaud Malcolm X and think he was one of the greatest humans ever, even he couldnt fix the problem. Lets be real. What can i do? Im not that special. Malcolm and Garvey were special and couldnt fix thing. Hell God cant even help us.

Just be real, fukk all the positive make believe shyt.

:dahell:

Breh what you mean you not special? (if) You're black you're a member of one the most strongest, intelligent, most resilience people in the history of this world. The blood of kings, scientists, and scholars runs through your veins.

The ish is small steps all you can do is affect the people around you. Little by little, inch my inch.
 

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No we aren't. I don't depend on anyone to live I know how to grow my own food and clean my own water. I do it for convenience. First. Second like I said replace we with I because I'm not on your team. We may both be oppressed but your on team give up and I'm on team build. Me personally I understand my history and place in the world and I can communicate that with my family and friends and build from there. You are defeated and a cancer to those who are winning in their struggle. Your weak and that's what ever just don't include those who aren't weak with you.


Things is we all have giving up on Black empowerment and independency. You and most are trying to build up a system inside of a system. And the system youre trying to build inside of doesn't want you to have much.
 

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As I've studied and discuss Black Issues and History for the past 10 years. I've come to the conclusion that Martin Luther King's ideology and push to integration was the beginning of the end of the Black family and Black community. I don't think he knew what the effects of integrating with a group of people that don't see you as equals and has dominated you for 100s would have. Even animals know to stay out of the way of Lions and Bears. I figure he thought that once we got closer they'd see us in a better light and equals. What happened was, we became more dependent on the government and white owned business for jobs. We also took the majority of the successful people and their money out of the neighborhoods. The aspirations of entrepreneurship died down.

The only way Black can get back on the right path, is for us to go back to the pre- Civil rights times and do things the right way. By the right way I mean pretty much doing with other foreigners do. Start your own businesses, spend with each other, live near each other. And once you create a stronger enough economic base, then you can do business with other races.

In the 40s, 50s and 60s, Black were on the same page. We were ready to listen and do whatever we thought would help our situation. We put our trust into King, unfornutately his ideology has proven a massive failure. If he wouldve had us pushing for more Blacks to open businesses, we would have did that. If he wouldve pushed for more aid and reparations we would've. Actually, in his last few speak his changed his tune about integration and was going to push for reparations. That's probably why he was shot.

Today, Blacks are more divided than ever. The community is in shambles. The traditional Black family is in the worst shape ever. The successful Black man is pretty much like a lone Lions roaming the jungle with no pride. The Black woman is pretty much a self sufficent Hyena, that only needs a man to impregnate her.

This is a year plus old post.

I hope you don't still think MLK/Intergration/"Black-People-Getting-Too-Comfortable" had a worst effect than redlining, the War on Drugs, and gentrification had a worst effect.

:francis:
 

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And I don't think you aren't smart.

Black people's worst problem IS that we rely too much on the goodwill of people who fear us.

But, we need to stop blaming it solely on integration. Largely, the Civil Rights era wasn't ever able to continue once our leaders were murdered.
 
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