Has Andrew Luck lived up to the hype?

[murksiderock]

Got cha. Graham and Percy were pose to help Russy but they flopped

Graham has proven to be a system player. He has never again been the guy he was in New Orleans at the beginning of his career...

Percy Harvin was such a massive disappointment lol...

 

[Hollywood Co]

Luck has lived up to being a number one pick for a team and the number overall pick in his draft class. Even with the injuries, he’s managed to be a upper tier QB most of his career.

All the other hype placed on him because of the situation he was put in and what he showed in college was gonna be damn near impossible to fulfill so imo he’s right where he needs to be. Health is literally wealth for him when it comes to his rep going forward.

 

[Black Lightning]

LuCkIsBeTtErThAnCaM

Total Yards & TD's:

Cam: 33,277 yards(3rd most all-time through 8 seasons) & 240 TD’s(3rd most all-time through 8 seasons)
Luck: 25,261 yards & 185 TD’s

 

[Womb Raider]

This is such an easy "NO". He was supposed to be a transcendent QB---->isn't; supposed to be the second coming of Peyton---->isn't; supposed to have easily been the best quarterback in his draft class---->isn't, that honor goes to Russell Wilson...

This dude Luck has a serious Stan Club though and people fight in his honor, but this dude has underachieved through 7 seasons, let's see what this year brings...

Luck is a transcendent QB. His numbers stack up well next to Peyton's. I'll accept Russ being better, even if it's because his team was built to win while Luck's hasn't until recent.

That's it in a nutshell, he was supposed to be better than this. At Luck's best, he has NEVER been as good as Peyton through Year 7 (1998-2004). Luck has never been the best QB in the game, not Top 4 in any year, Peyton was already in best QB convos by Year 3 (though Warner probably had it then) and after Year 7, it wasn't even a question that Peyton was the best QB in the NFL...

Luck was supposed to be as good as Peyton, and isn't even the best QB from his draft class. I called him overrated from jump street, the hype around dude was crazy, and I never bought it. Not draft season, not the rookie year or the subsequent deeper playoff runs. Dude is not what everybody else thought he would be and I called it the entire time...

This is such bullshyt lol. His first 5 seasons were better than Peyton's.

That's not to mention that Luck is a top 5 QB in the league right now.

Tom Brady needed a ton of help when he first started, and he needs alot of help now, but for around the middle 12-13 years of his career, he was The Guy, who could elevate lesser talent around him to championship level...



Don't do that, he also had Reggie Wayne still playing at a Pro Bowl level his first two years, and Jack Doyle. And you guys act like he was getting crushed his entire career, the only years he was really playing behind a porous offensive line was 2012, 2015, and 2016. Let's also not pretend that Luck didn't bring alot of harm to his own reputation by taking pointless hits and being a turnover machine with some if the dumbest forced passes ever. He took '17 off, so I'll grant you half of his career----->so in the other half of his career where he wasn't getting crushed, why hasn't he been the transcendent, Peyton-esque guy we were told he would be?

I'm comparing him to Peyton because he plays for the Colts and both came in with hella buzz, and the Colts basically told us all that he was gonna grow to be as good as Peyton, by letting Peyton walk, and then Peyton went on to go to two more Super Bowls...

I'm not holding Luck to an accountability I wouldn't give anyone else who had this level of expectation, so don't try to make this a Luck pity party lol. Peyton hadn't yet made it to a Super Bowl at this age either, so I'm not holding Luck to that. But Peyton was running The League from under center by this point in his career. The best you can say about Luck is that he's a borderline, "maybe" Top 5. There was no maybes with Peyton at this age...

The comparisons to Peyton will persist his entire career because of where he plays and the fact he succeeded Peyton, so you may as well get used to it...

Luck has also elevated the shytty ass teams he had around him, don't do this. He had Trent fukking Richardson in his backfield and one of the worst OLs in the league until Ballard came into the picture. I'm not joking, look up his sack numbers every year before Ballard. The team led the league in sacks/hits/pressures allowed and led to his shoulder injury/concussions. And once again, Luck's numbers stack up very well next to Peyton's at the same point in both careers.

I should also add that there's a guy from Luck's own draft class, Russell Wilson, who has played with even less skill players on the offensive side, and behind an even worse offensive line, who has consistently and annually been better than Luck. I'm not accepting pity for Andrew Luck applications today lmao...

The guy is a really good quarterback. He hasn't met the hype surrounding his name, and he's going into Year 8. At some point it's not just everybody else anymore, and while people hate to hear this, Peyton met the hype in every way by Year 8 with the exception of making the Super Bowl---->he was 3-5 in the playoffs thru Year 7, Luck is 4-4, that's basically the same record. But besides that Peyton was everything they said he'd be and then some...

Russ played with a team built to win, he had Beast Mode in the backfield, clutch ass receivers to throw to and a GOAT defense to back him up.

Luck is a damn good QB. Peyton did not meet everyone's expectations, you're completely forgetting that while he lit the league on fire he used to get shytted on in the playoffs by the Pats every year.

 

[Womb Raider]

LuCkIsBeTtErThAnCaM

Total Yards & TD's:

Cam: 33,277 yards(3rd most all-time through 8 seasons) & 240 TD’s(3rd most all-time through 8 seasons)
Luck: 25,261 yards & 185 TD’s

Man stop with this bullshyt.

Cam is nowhere near the passer Luck is, which is why you had to inflate Cam's stats by including his rushing yards and TDs. Let's see his passing stats in comparison. And the only reason Cam got the MVP is because his top ranked defense gave him great field position every single game. All that shyt went out the window against an all time defense that Luck already beat the season before...

 

[Shadow King]

Between injury and the hype being too much, no. But when healthy he's one of the best 10.

 

[Skip2]

Man stop with this bullshyt.

Cam is nowhere near the passer Luck is, which is why you had to inflate Cam's stats by including his rushing yards and TDs. Let's see his passing stats in comparison. And the only reason Cam got the MVP is because his top ranked defense gave him great field position every single game. All that shyt went out the window against an all time defense that Luck already beat the season before...

If this is the case, every team with a top defense should have the highest scoring offense in the league. Unfortunately, this isn't how the NFL works fam.
And Carolina had the most 80+ yard td drives that year. What Newton did in 2015 is something you don't see often.

 

[calixprynce]

Y’all sound dumb af. He carries the Colts

Y’all wasnt hollering shyt when he came back from 28 to win in the playoffs. Most y’all teams haven’t even touched a Conference Championship game

 

[Womb Raider]

If this is the case, every team with a top defense should have the highest scoring offense in the league. Unfortunately, this isn't how the NFL works fam.
And Carolina had the most 80+ yard td drives that year. What Newton did in 2015 is something you don't see often.

How the rest of the league works is irrelevant because what Cam did in 2015 is an outlier, something that he wont ever repeat.

Let's review the facts of his 2015 season:

19.6% of opponents drives ended in the turnovers for the Panthers. #1 in NFL.

12.4% ended in Interceptions #1 in NFL.

They held opponents to 2:21 TOP/DR #1 in NFL.

Panthers had #2 average offensive starting field position.

the defense consistently put Cam and the offense in GREAT position to succeed. No offense in the league had it better than Panthers.

On top of that Carolina faced the easiest defensive schedule in the league last year, including the WORST defensive team in history twice(Saints).

All of that leads to inflated touchdown numbers for Cam and inflated scoring numbers for the offense in general. Cam had a good to great year, but he didn't deserve MVP and he wasn't the best QB in the league like many proclaim.

 

[murksiderock]

Luck is a transcendent QB. His numbers stack up well next to Peyton's. I'll accept Russ being better, even if it's because his team was built to win while Luck's hasn't until recent.


This is such bullshyt lol. His first 5 seasons were better than Peyton's.

That's not to mention that Luck is a top 5 QB in the league right now.


Luck has also elevated the shytty ass teams he had around him, don't do this. He had Trent fukking Richardson in his backfield and one of the worst OLs in the league until Ballard came into the picture. I'm not joking, look up his sack numbers every year before Ballard. The team led the league in sacks/hits/pressures allowed and led to his shoulder injury/concussions. And once again, Luck's numbers stack up very well next to Peyton's at the same point in both careers.


Russ played with a team built to win, he had Beast Mode in the backfield, clutch ass receivers to throw to and a GOAT defense to back him up.

Luck is a damn good QB. Peyton did not meet everyone's expectations, you're completely forgetting that while he lit the league on fire he used to get shytted on in the playoffs by the Pats every year.

I already said Peyton met the expectations except not winning the chip. That's it...at this same stage of his career, he was a 2x MVP. There is nothing you can do to circumvent Peyton at the same age (thru Year 7, headed to Year 8) was the better player...

Also, the stats have to be kept in context if you wanna line em up. Their careers are 14 years apart---->Peyton was in Year 8 in 2005, Luck is headed into Year 8 in 2019. The NFL is much more tailored to inflated passing numbers thru Luck's first 7, compared to Peyton's first 7. If you want to line them up, show me how they stacked up adjacent to their peers, relative to the eras in which they played?

Rookie Year: Peyton 3rd in yards/5th in TD; Luck 7th in yards

Year 2: Peyton t-best record in NFL/#2 comp%/#3 yards/#3 TD/#4 ypa/#4 passer rating; Luck 6th lowest int%

Year 3: Peyton #7 comp%/#1 yards/t-1st TD/#5 ypa/#6 passer rating; Luck #3 yards/#1 TD/#8 ypa/#7 passer rating

Year 4: Luck missed 9 games, Peyton by a mile

Year 5: Peyton #4 comp%/#3 yards/t-2nd TD/#9 ypa/#5 passer rating; Luck #8 yards/#5 TD/#5 ypa/#9 passer rating

Year 6: Luck missed entire season, Peuton won first MVP

Year 7: Peyton #3 comp%/#3 yards/#1 TD/#5 lowest int%/#1 ypa/#1 passer rating; Luck #5 yards/#2 TD

In what year was Luck ever better than Peyton at equal age?

 

[Womb Raider]

I already said Peyton met the expectations except not winning the chip. That's it...at this same stage of his career, he was a 2x MVP. There is nothing you can do to circumvent Peyton at the same age (thru Year 7, headed to Year 8) was the better player...

Also, the stats have to be kept in context if you wanna line em up. Their careers are 14 years apart---->Peyton was in Year 8 in 2005, Luck is headed into Year 8 in 2019. The NFL is much more tailored to inflated passing numbers thru Luck's first 7, compared to Peyton's first 7. If you want to line them up, show me how they stacked up adjacent to their peers, relative to the eras in which they played?

Rookie Year: Peyton 3rd in yards/5th in TD; Luck 7th in yards

Year 2: Peyton t-best record in NFL/#2 comp%/#3 yards/#3 TD/#4 ypa/#4 passer rating; Luck 6th lowest int%

Year 3: Peyton #7 comp%/#1 yards/t-1st TD/#5 ypa/#6 passer rating; Luck #3 yards/#1 TD/#8 ypa/#7 passer rating

Year 4: Luck missed 9 games, Peyton by a mile

Year 5: Peyton #4 comp%/#3 yards/t-2nd TD/#9 ypa/#5 passer rating; Luck #8 yards/#5 TD/#5 ypa/#9 passer rating

Year 6: Luck missed entire season, Peuton won first MVP

Year 7: Peyton #3 comp%/#3 yards/#1 TD/#5 lowest int%/#1 ypa/#1 passer rating; Luck #5 yards/#2 TD

In what year was Luck ever better than Peyton at equal age?

Why would you ever compare seasons that Luck didn't play to seasons that Peyton did play? That's just disingenuous.

Also, I never said Luck was ever better than Peyton. I said his stats hold well in comparison to Peyton. And that's true if you do the smart thing and compare seasons in which they both actually played.

 

[murksiderock]

Why would you ever compare seasons that Luck didn't play to seasons that Peyton did play? That's just disingenuous.

Also, I never said Luck was ever better than Peyton. I said his stats hold well in comparison to Peyton. And that's true if you do the smart thing and compare seasons in which they both actually played.

I just actually compared seasons they both played in, and Peyton was perennially dominating Top 5 lists by all significant stat measures...

Furthermore, its disingenuous to talk about Luck having better stats or similar stats given the era in which Luck plays. When you see how well they both did in relation to competition at their position, that establishes the boundary in era...

 

[...o3]

...i remember when indi's slogan was, "suck for luck".

i guess this year it's..."bend ova for tua tagovailoa"

 

[Womb Raider]

I just actually compared seasons they both played in, and Peyton was perennially dominating Top 5 lists by all significant stat measures...

Furthermore, its disingenuous to talk about Luck having better stats or similar stats given the era in which Luck plays. When you see how well they both did in relation to competition at their position, that establishes the boundary in era...

No, you compared year 4 when Luck missed 9 games and year 6 when he missed the entire season.

at talking about eras like Peyton didn't play during the golden era of passing his damn self. It's always the same nikkas tryna downplay Luck when they don't really know shyt about football.

 

[murksiderock]

No, you compared year 4 when Luck missed 9 games and year 6 when he missed the entire season.

at talking about eras like Peyton didn't play during the golden era of passing his damn self. It's always the same nikkas tryna downplay Luck when they don't really know shyt about football.

My football IQ is high, and you can't refute anything I've said, so you're rationalizing. There is no way you can deny Luck's first 7 years didn't come in a more passer friendly era than Peyton's first 7, so you're resorting to insults and shyt...

You can have at it though, playa...