Has everyone here watched Hamilton? I know im late but the entire show blew my mind
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Jay Kast
Hidden Royalty
I thought it was impressive at first, then it really became repetitive.
I'm a fan of hip hop, obviously - but the lack of diverse styles really took me out of my enjoyment. The story was interesting but it was as if Logic rapped the entire play with different costumes and wigs.
Not enough diversity in the main form of communication brought it down from a potential 8.5 to a 4.5 out of 10. It just dragged on and on.
The performances were great - it was just the fact that you could tell the writer had no real hip hop acumen as far as songwriting and took it all upon himself instead of hiring other rappers/ghostwriters to bolster his flaw.
Imagine if you had lyrics from Busta, Cyhi, Lil Wayne, Nas, or anyone else you can think of to fulfill ONE character alone. The experience would've been much, much better.
If I'm wrong on him writing all of the lyrics, then they still all sound the same with the exception of the singers.
I'm a fan of hip hop, obviously - but the lack of diverse styles really took me out of my enjoyment. The story was interesting but it was as if Logic rapped the entire play with different costumes and wigs.
Not enough diversity in the main form of communication brought it down from a potential 8.5 to a 4.5 out of 10. It just dragged on and on.
The performances were great - it was just the fact that you could tell the writer had no real hip hop acumen as far as songwriting and took it all upon himself instead of hiring other rappers/ghostwriters to bolster his flaw.
Imagine if you had lyrics from Busta, Cyhi, Lil Wayne, Nas, or anyone else you can think of to fulfill ONE character alone. The experience would've been much, much better.
If I'm wrong on him writing all of the lyrics, then they still all sound the same with the exception of the singers.
Gassing up a mafukka who fronted like he opposed slavery when he actually bought and owned slaves
Uptown WaYo87
HARLEM/BX
1) I've never heard any logic songs so I have no idea what you're talking about. Every song on hamilton is a part of the story that's being told, all I hear is the rhymes and melodies. If you feel like they sound like logic thats on you, I've never heard his music
2)Not enough diversity?!?! The main cast is made up of black/puerto ricans/white/asian....how much more diverse did you want?
3) there's so many call backs to classic hip hop records. The message, shook one's, ten crack commandets etc..Google search and you'll see more
Uptown WaYo87
HARLEM/BX
Gassing up a mafukka who fronted like he opposed slavery when he actually bought and owned slaves
I'm not going go hard and defend hamilton. But from what I've seen, they found 2 transactions he had with slaves in his 60+ years of living. As wrong as even 1 is, there's plenty of proof that showed how much he was against slavery
He's the only "immigrant" out of the founding fathers and the most outspoken when it came to slavery. We can sit here and just call every white man that lived in the 1700s racist but you got people like John Lauren etc who lived and died fighting for black ppl to live free
Rell84shots
Veteran
Amerikan Melanin
Veteran
The shyt was 10/10 as far as musicals go and I HATE musicals. This shyt was GOAT. My family watches it about once every 3 mths. My kids know the entire soundtrack. Some of that shyt slaps. It’s a must watch. Get a bottle of wine and relax your lady will think you are cultured.
Alexander Hamilton abhorred slavery and at a few points in his life worked to help limit it. But any moral objections he held were tempered by his social and political ambitions. Throughout his life, like so many leaders of the time, he allowed or used slavery to advance his fortunes—both indirectly and through compromises he chose to make.
Shortly before Hamilton’s father abandoned his family, he moved them in 1765 to St. Croix, where 22,000 of the island’s 24,000 residents were held in captivity to cultivate the “white gold” produced on sugar plantations. Even though Hamilton’s family had few riches, his mother at one time owned five enslaved people, whom she hired out to supplement her income, as well as four boys who served as her house servants. She bequeathed one of the boys, Ajax, to Alexander, but after her death in 1768, a court denied the inheritance because of Hamilton’s illegitimate birth and granted ownership of Ajax to his half-brother instead.
Hamilton spent his teenage years working as a clerk with the St. Croix trading firm Beekman and Cruger, which imported everything needed for a plantation economy—including enslaved people from West Africa. Hamilton watched hundreds upon hundreds of captives come ashore after making the Middle Passage and would have helped inspect and price those who were to be auctioned. A 1772 letter in Hamilton’s handwriting sought the acquisition of “two or three poor boys” for plantation work and asked they be “bound in the most reasonable manner you can.”
Whatever distaste of slavery Hamilton may have had, he proved capable of overlooking it for love and country. In 1780, he married into the wealthy, slaveholding Schuyler family. General Philip Schuyler—father of Hamilton’s wife, Elizabeth—enslaved as many as 27 people who toiled in his Albany, New York, mansion and on a nearby farm in Saratoga.
As a New York delegate to the 1787 Constitutional Convention, Hamilton saw the need for compromise in order to establish a new, strong federal government, so he supported the so-called "three-fifths" clause, which counted each enslaved worker as three-fifths of a person for the purposes of determining state population. “Without this indulgence, no union could have possibly been formed,” Hamilton told the New York Ratifying
In the course of handling his in-law’s finances, the future U.S. treasury secretary was involved in the purchase and sale of enslaved servants for the Schuylers. In 1784, he attempted to help his sister-in-law Angelica reacquire one of her formerly enslaved people. Historians differ, however, on whether Hamilton's financial records refer to enslaved household workers owned by his in-laws—or by the Hamiltons themselves. A 1796 cash book entry recorded Hamilton’s payment of $250 to his father-in-law for “2 Negro servants purchased by him for me.” However, a ledger entry the following year noted the deduction of $225 from the account of Angelica’s husband, John Barker Church, for the purchase of a “negro woman & child,” suggesting the transaction could have been on their behalf.
Although there is no definitive proof, Hamilton’s grandson, Allan McLane Hamilton, claimed that those transactions had been for his grandfather himself. “It has been stated that Hamilton never owned a negro slave, but this is untrue,” Hamilton’s grandson wrote in a biography of his grandfather, originally published in 1910. “We find that in his books there are entries showing that he purchased them for himself and for others.”
While the historical record remains unclear on this point, it reflects the gap between Hamilton’s words and deeds. For such a voluminous writer, Hamilton left sparse notes about the issue of slavery. However, in his 1774 political treatise A Full Vindication of the Measures of Congress, Hamilton wrote that “all men have one common origin: they participate in one common nature, and consequently have one common right.” While hardly approaching the extreme paradox of Thomas Jefferson’s espousal of independence while enslaving hundreds of people, Hamilton’s relationship to slavery came with its own complex contradictions.
https://www-history-com.cdn.ampproj...ory.com/news/alexander-hamilton-slavery-facts
Uptown WaYo87
HARLEM/BX
Alexander Hamilton abhorred slavery and at a few points in his life worked to help limit it. But any moral objections he held were tempered by his social and political ambitions. Throughout his life, like so many leaders of the time, he allowed or used slavery to advance his fortunes—both indirectly and through compromises he chose to make.
Shortly before Hamilton’s father abandoned his family, he moved them in 1765 to St. Croix, where 22,000 of the island’s 24,000 residents were held in captivity to cultivate the “white gold” produced on sugar plantations. Even though Hamilton’s family had few riches, his mother at one time owned five enslaved people, whom she hired out to supplement her income, as well as four boys who served as her house servants. She bequeathed one of the boys, Ajax, to Alexander, but after her death in 1768, a court denied the inheritance because of Hamilton’s illegitimate birth and granted ownership of Ajax to his half-brother instead.
Hamilton spent his teenage years working as a clerk with the St. Croix trading firm Beekman and Cruger, which imported everything needed for a plantation economy—including enslaved people from West Africa. Hamilton watched hundreds upon hundreds of captives come ashore after making the Middle Passage and would have helped inspect and price those who were to be auctioned. A 1772 letter in Hamilton’s handwriting sought the acquisition of “two or three poor boys” for plantation work and asked they be “bound in the most reasonable manner you can.”
Whatever distaste of slavery Hamilton may have had, he proved capable of overlooking it for love and country. In 1780, he married into the wealthy, slaveholding Schuyler family. General Philip Schuyler—father of Hamilton’s wife, Elizabeth—enslaved as many as 27 people who toiled in his Albany, New York, mansion and on a nearby farm in Saratoga.
As a New York delegate to the 1787 Constitutional Convention, Hamilton saw the need for compromise in order to establish a new, strong federal government, so he supported the so-called "three-fifths" clause, which counted each enslaved worker as three-fifths of a person for the purposes of determining state population. “Without this indulgence, no union could have possibly been formed,” Hamilton told the New York Ratifying
In the course of handling his in-law’s finances, the future U.S. treasury secretary was involved in the purchase and sale of enslaved servants for the Schuylers. In 1784, he attempted to help his sister-in-law Angelica reacquire one of her formerly enslaved people. Historians differ, however, on whether Hamilton's financial records refer to enslaved household workers owned by his in-laws—or by the Hamiltons themselves. A 1796 cash book entry recorded Hamilton’s payment of $250 to his father-in-law for “2 Negro servants purchased by him for me.” However, a ledger entry the following year noted the deduction of $225 from the account of Angelica’s husband, John Barker Church, for the purchase of a “negro woman & child,” suggesting the transaction could have been on their behalf.
Although there is no definitive proof, Hamilton’s grandson, Allan McLane Hamilton, claimed that those transactions had been for his grandfather himself. “It has been stated that Hamilton never owned a negro slave, but this is untrue,” Hamilton’s grandson wrote in a biography of his grandfather, originally published in 1910. “We find that in his books there are entries showing that he purchased them for himself and for others.”
While the historical record remains unclear on this point, it reflects the gap between Hamilton’s words and deeds. For such a voluminous writer, Hamilton left sparse notes about the issue of slavery. However, in his 1774 political treatise A Full Vindication of the Measures of Congress, Hamilton wrote that “all men have one common origin: they participate in one common nature, and consequently have one common right.” While hardly approaching the extreme paradox of Thomas Jefferson’s espousal of independence while enslaving hundreds of people, Hamilton’s relationship to slavery came with its own complex contradictions.
https://www-history-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.history.com/.amp/news/alexander-hamilton-slavery-facts?amp_gsa=1&_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw==#amp_tf=From %1$s&aoh=16500791681514&referrer=https://www.google.com&share=https://www.history.com/news/alexander-hamilton-slavery-facts
Thank you for the information, but it's all over the place. For the most part it shows his in-laws were involved in slavery
He didn't have a plantation like Jefferson and Washington. I'm going to big up his good deeds during the 1700s instead of the 2-3 transactions he made for his in-laws
1) I've never heard any logic songs so I have no idea what you're talking about. Every song on hamilton is a part of the story that's being told, all I hear is the rhymes and melodies. If you feel like they sound like logic thats on you, I've never heard his music
2)Not enough diversity?!?! The main cast is made up of black/puerto ricans/white/asian....how much more diverse did you want?
3) there's so many call backs to classic hip hop records. The message, shook one's, ten crack commandets etc..Google search and you'll see more
I think what he’s saying is that hip hop has a diversity of rhyming and cadence amongst artists and that Hamilton didn’t showcase that. That the rhyming in Hamilton was a white (near white) persons sterile take on Hip Hop without understanding or recognizing the diversity within.
It’s an interesting critique.
Although I don’t think the plays purpose was to showcase hip hop in that way but to transform history through hip hop.
Dreamchaser
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Soundtrack was great, I didn't really enjoy the disney version though. I think my expectations were to high, I also hadn't seen a musical before that. So maybe that's why.
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The problem is they're ALL performed by the same MC.
I thought the show was dope, personally. Reminded me of Schoolhouse Rock cartoons from back in the day.....
I also happen to like musicals.
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