Has it hit anyone that Republicans will soon control the Senate

[ill]

@Handsback The same Holder who allowed his DEA to go after legal medical marijuana dispensaries AFTER Obama said they were in the clear?

The same Holder that tried to cover up ATF's gun running?

He's done great with the mandatory minimums but he's not this great man you're portraying him as.

 

[Handsback]

i care about everybody

but lets say i dont care about women and mexicans......................so what?

what do you mean i sound like a republican? I thought I had made it obvious that i agree with republicans on a lot of issues

what exactly is wrong with me sounding like a republican?

thats because you are making assumptions about what it means to care and what it means to be black

i was being facetious, i pointed out that clinton had a republican congress just to show how superficial that analysis (that blacks do better under democrats) was

i think obama's best idea was obamacare, i never agreed that all of Obama's proposals were good tho, i never agreed that the democratic agenda was the best agenda for the country, so why would i care if they are shot down?

and i think thats fine, thanks for sharing your political views with me

i never cosigned your political views tho

i dont agree that we shouldn't be competing for minimum wage, minimum wage jobs are the foundation for future prosperity, that is where you get experience to get a raise in the future, it is VERY important for black people that have low skills and low education to have access to low skilled jobs, that is a good foundation for the future of the black community and provides the economic base for the education and stability of the children of the workers

i do agree for the need of higher education spending and student loan reform

im glad holder is fighting against minimum sentence, its the least he could do since as a high ranking official in the clinton justice department he was involved in creating those minimum sentences

and overall the obama administration has been very weak on combating financial crimes, i give em props for baby steps here and there, but again its the least they could do considering obama is filled with wall street types that have protected their buddies

but none of the issues are make or break issues that portend an impending crisis for black people

but basically i don't care

being pro black is not being progressive, thats just some stupid shyt that black people have been bamboozled by and you are trying to bamboozle me

im an independent, and my poltics are center right, i dont really care about "progressive" politics, IMO the future of black people depends on black people, period, black people need to focus on invigorating our culture to make it a more academically oriented culture and on business and property ownership

politics is secondary, its important but its not where our future will be decided, our future will not be decided by who controls congress, we decide our future not politics

Alright man. Usually when someone tells me to my face that they don't like me I listen but good luck with the Republicans even though they've done the same to black folks.

It'd be nice to give the finger to the system and work just on economics as you've pointed out. The study of economics used to be called the study of the political economy. They were considered too closely tied to be separated. You've gotta play the game, for better or worse. Sitting it out isn't helpful, it's detrimental. We can't just keep our head down and hope it'll all turn out alright. Sorry to break the news to ya.

Do we need to start making different decisions with our money? Yup. Is that going to matter if we don't alter the rules in our favor? Absolutely not. And even if we shunned all other folks, women included so now we're talking about just black males (and we all know the incarceration rates and felons can't vote), we lose the numbers game for just about everything. Maybe some local elections here and there if we're lucky, but that's not enough for me.

Healthcare reform, financial reform, higher minimum wage to provide a better base for our communities, lower mandatory minimums, better education, pro-academia, and student loan reforms are all progressive policies man. That's the thing. If you agree with nearly all of the progressive issues, why wouldn't you vote for the party that favors them?

And if you really don't care, those of us who do would kindly ask you to step aside so you don't get in the way.

 

[Handsback]

@Handsback The same Holder who allowed his DEA to go after legal medical marijuana dispensaries AFTER Obama said they were in the clear?

The same Holder that tried to cover up ATF's gun running?

He's done great with the mandatory minimums but he's not this great man you're portraying him as.

I really don't give a damn about Fast and Furious. Investigation gone bad.

And yes I disagree with a lot of the moves he has made. The dude is not Superman. What I ask is to compare him to the alternative. That's it. And check out that Politico piece on him if you want some insight to his background and priorities.

 

[theworldismine13]

Alright man. Usually when someone tells me to my face that they don't like me I listen but good luck with the Republicans even though they've done the same to black folks.

yeah, im disputing that logic, i think its important to understand that even progressive policies designed to help the poor downtrodden black race are based on white supremacy, its based on the notion that the only way black people will rise is if the great white man does something to help

they are not based on principles of black power, black independence

and also racism or outward racism is only one variable out of many, subtle and hidden racism is also a factor, and so is efficiency and effectiveness of the proposals

It'd be nice to give the finger to the system and work just on economics as you've pointed out. The study of economics used to be called the study of the political economy. They were considered too closely tied to be separated. You've gotta play the game, for better or worse. Sitting it out isn't helpful, it's detrimental. We can't just keep our head down and hope it'll all turn out alright. Sorry to break the news to ya.

of course economics are politics are related, my point is that economic power is more important than political power and that money is more powerful than voting or moral crusades

i wasnt saying they are separate entities

im not sure where you are getting the notion that i was suggesting sitting or keeping our heads down, i think black people need to vote more, im simply not going around telling people who to vote for tho and reminding people that politics is secondary, business and property ownership is more important

Do we need to start making different decisions with our money? Yup. Is that going to matter if we don't alter the rules in our favor? Absolutely not. And even if we shunned all other folks, women included so now we're talking about just black males (and we all know the incarceration rates and felons can't vote), we lose the numbers game for just about everything. Maybe some local elections here and there if we're lucky, but that's not enough for me.

i wasnt saying shunning anybody, im saying we should vote for all parties and not be stuck voting for one party

you are the one saying that we should put all our eggs in one basket, the democratic party

Healthcare reform, financial reform, higher minimum wage to provide a better base for our communities, lower mandatory minimums, better education, pro-academia, and student loan reforms are all progressive policies man. That's the thing. If you agree with nearly all of the progressive issues, why wouldn't you vote for the party that favors them?

And if you really don't care, those of us who do would kindly ask you to step aside so you don't get in the way

you are just using phrases in a meaningless way

i support obama care

i have no idea what financial reform means

im actually on the fence on minimum wage

lower mandatory minimum and ending the drug war is also supported by libertarians and like i said, democrats where involved in creating the system

better education to me means destroying the current public school system and replacing it with charters and vouchers, i side with republicans on school reform

pro academic, assuming that means more money toward higher education is something i support

student loan reform is a good issue, but i dont think its a critical issue that would sway my vote

but overall my views are center right, i support some progressive views but im also against immigration amnesty, affirmative action and public housing and i dont see any crisis because congress has rejected some of obama's proposals

i think your problem is that you start with the premise that democrats are better, i dont start with that premise, im open to all views and all ideas and i question everything

 

[ghostwriterx]

yeah, im disputing that logic, i think its important to understand that even progressive policies design to help the poor downtrodden black race are based on white supremacy, its based on the notion that the only way black people will rise is if the great white man does something to help

they are not based on principles of black power, black independence

That's a matter of perception, often used as a distracting talking point by conservatives. IE I've seen black conservatives use that logic to protest, affirmative action. Funny how they rarely if ever use that logic to describe conservative policies that contributed to the current state of African Americans.

 

[theworldismine13]

That's a matter of perception, often used as a distracting talking point by conservatives. IE I've seen black conservatives use that logic to protest, affirmative action. Funny how they rarely if ever use that logic to describe conservative policies that contributed to the current state of African Americans.

im against affirmative action

 

[Street Knowledge]

What has the Republican party done in recent years that is so destructive to blacks? Besides a few racist epithets from a few bigots. Theres racist in both parties.
There is a Democrat in office in almost every predominantly black city across this nation. And yet the schools are terrible. Unemployment is high.
Crime is high.
Hopelessness is high.

I'm a little confused as to what the Democrats have actually done in black people's favor for us to be so adament about critiquing the GOP. Was it not the Democrats who held office in Detroit while it deteriorated all these years?
Was it not a Democratic mayor whose held office in Chiraq all these years?
Is it not the Democrats who support the abortion of thousands of black babies yearly in what is essentially state sponsored genocide?
Was it not the Democrats and Liberals who duped black women to essentially let the government take the place of a man in the home, leaving our families broken and the black man irrelevant?

Id like to see stats comparing how african americans are doing in dem controlled states/cities compared to GOP controlled states/cities