Have you ever been afraid to pray?

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Good assessment

Assuming your premise, question.

Neurology basically states that due to the complex interactions occuring in the human brain the result led to man's consciousness of self.

So how is it that a 'force' infinitely more complex, a force that holds together, and defines processes of the universe, cannot also be conscious?

If anything, logically that would bring that this 'force' would be not only conscious, but much much more conscious than man.

no?

This sentence makes no sense.

Human biology is basically molecular chemistry. That doesn't mean theres any sort of "consciousness" involved, nor is there any "larger force"

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Tell me how the universe started breh :saywhat:

Something coming outta nothing sounds like ducktales to me :holdup2:

Or are you gonna hit me with the "we don't know yet" :saywhat:

We don't know yet...does that mean you get to make shyt up in the mean time?

Cause using "god" doesn't answer anything.

Even if you say "god" did it, it doesn't say HOW, WHEN, or even (since its a stupid question) WHY it was done.

 

[Ego Noir]

This sentence makes no sense.

Human biology is basically molecular chemistry. That doesn't mean theres any sort of "consciousness" involved, nor is there any "larger force"

Did you follow the chain of conversation or did you just respond just cause?

I answered based on brehs premise of a 'force'.

But anyway, you say human biology is basically molecular chemistry. i agree.

Now the complexities of this molecular chemistry led to a 'side effect' of mankind being self-aware.

The human brain is the most complex structure in the known universe. Yet the universe remains far more complex. So how is it that the human brain can achieve self-awareness due to its biochemical complexity, yet the universe (or whatever force that controls its order/chaos) cannot?

Logically the same could be theorized for the macro, no?

Im actually interested in hearing your POV

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Did you follow the chain of conversation or did you just respond just cause?

I answered based on brehs premise of a 'force'.

But anyway, you say human biology is basically molecular chemistry. i agree.

Now the complexities of this molecular chemistry led to a 'side effect' of mankind being self-aware.

The human brain is the most complex structure in the known universe. Yet the universe remains far more complex. So how is it that the human brain can achieve self-awareness due to its biochemical complexity, yet the universe (or whatever force that controls its order/chaos) cannot?

Logically the same could be theorized for the macro, no?

Im actually interested in hearing your POV

*sigh*

Look don't take this the wrong way...

but every time we go back and forth, i get the idea that you aren't nor have you ever been, versed in the sciences...cause you keep using words and concepts that don't exist in the manner you THINK they do. Its like you just play fast and loose with wikipedia level understanding of what you're asserting.

...that being said...

The human brain has "complexity"...but that is only an opinion as to how "complex" it is. We know more about the brain than we did 50 years ago...so some of that "mystery" is removed.

That being said, your SECOND point about the "universe beign complex" doesn't make any sense. I don't see "complexity" in the universe. I just see a lack of understanding.

And just because a brain gains a sense of awareness (which is NOTHING MORE THAN response to electro-chemical stimuli) doesn't mean "the universe" must also do the same or has the same "quality"

 

[Ego Noir]

*sigh*

Look don't take this the wrong way...

but every time we go back and forth, i get the idea that you aren't nor have you ever been, versed in the sciences...cause you keep using words and concepts that don't exist in the manner you THINK they do. Its like you just play fast and loose with wikipedia level understanding of what you're asserting.

...that being said...

The human brain has "complexity"...but that is only an opinion as to how "complex" it is. We know more about the brain than we did 50 years ago...so some of that "mystery" is removed.

That being said, your SECOND point about the "universe beign complex" doesn't make any sense. I don't see "complexity" in the universe. I just see a lack of understanding.

And just because a brain gains a sense of awareness (which is NOTHING MORE THAN response to electro-chemical stimuli) doesn't mean "the universe" must also do the same or has the same "quality"

Ok

My bad in assuming you had something better to say than base insults, and daring to place quotations when referring to the intricacies of the human brain. As if what that is already known is not complex, and the fact that modern science in 2014 cannot even fully decipher it to its entirety does not bear witness to its level of complexity.

Oh. and the universe is not complex, we just dont know anything about it

Order is chaos finally understood.

Oh and you must deserve a Nobel prize to be in here explicitly stating what self-awareness is 'nothing more than" when science to date cannot even find the origins of consciousness.

Nowhere do I speak any in-depth logisitics of whatever it is you study, but simple speech, yet you lean on some level of superiority that you yourself cannot even demonstrate in any thread, with any poster, above simple base insults.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Ok

My bad in assuming you had something better to say than base insults,

And the problem is that you don't know any better so you'll just deflect all criticism of your arguments and how to better express yourself.

and daring to place quotations when referring to the intricacies of the human brain. As if what that is already known is not complex,

its not THAT complex.

and the fact that modern science in 2014 cannot even fully decipher it to its entirety does not bear witness to its level of complexity.

This is PRECISELY the shyt I was talking about.

Just cause we don't know how something works to a reliable degree doesn't mean we can't figure it out nor that we ever will.

Complexity should not be confused with understanding.

Oh. and the universe is not complex, we just dont know anything about it

This doesn't make any sense.

we can tell the composition of gas clouds and stars based on molecular absorption of their emissions...

Thats incredible for only 150 years worth of work.

Order is chaos finally understood.

...and?

Oh and you must deserve a Nobel prize to be in here explicitly stating what self-awareness is 'nothing more than" when science to date cannot even find the essence of consciousness.

Actually, I'm pretty sure the mind-body thing has already been resolved. Self-awareness is NOTHING MORE than brains with the ability to incorporate stimuli and to act upon said input.

Nowhere do I speak any in-depth logisitics of whatever it is you study, but simple speech,

You call it "simple speech" yet you haven't been able to use these terms properly.

yet you lean on some level of superiority that you yourself cannot even demonstrate in any thread, with any poster, above simple base insults.

What does this even mean? Is this an attempt at a retort? [/quote][/quote]

 

[Orbital-Fetus]

Tell me how the universe started breh :saywhat:

Something coming outta nothing sounds like ducktales to me :holdup2:

Or are you gonna hit me with the "we don't know yet" :saywhat:

everything we know now was "we don't know yet" until we figured it out.

eclipse: god is mad <<< we now know the moon is passing in front of the sun due to it's orbit.

 

[Ikwa]

@Napoleon how u gonna quote me 4 times in the same thread nikka

Use the multi-quote feature nikka I ain't trynna see your name in my alerts nikka

If you question atheists enough even they'll admit that there's a higher being out there like was shown in this thread, they just don't want to use the word God

Between yall fellas are in for a long wait until you find out how the universe was created :saywhat:

 

[Rawtid]

Not afraid to talk to God but fear I'll get exactly what I prayed for.

 

[Ego Noir]

And the problem is that you don't know any better so you'll just deflect all criticism of your arguments and how to better express yourself.


its not THAT complex.


This is PRECISELY the shyt I was talking about.

Just cause we don't know how something works to a reliable degree doesn't mean we can't figure it out nor that we ever will.

Complexity should not be confused with understanding.


This doesn't make any sense.

we can tell the composition of gas clouds and stars based on molecular absorption of their emissions...

Thats incredible for only 150 years worth of work.

...and?


Actually, I'm pretty sure the mind-body thing has already been resolved. Self-awareness is NOTHING MORE than brains with the ability to incorporate stimuli and to act upon said input.
You call it "simple speech" yet you haven't been able to use these terms properly.

What does this even mean? Is this an attempt at a retort?

Le problem most likely is, you cannot follow the chain of thought.

What I typed was simple. Other posters understood it. But you cry it 'doesnt make sense' then assume a position of superiority. It seems like unless its precisely reiterated how it was in lecture, you cant understand it.

Youre stuck in a box of thinkng. U.N.E.N.O. Youd make an absolutely stellar student though

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Le problem most likely is, you cannot follow the chain of thought.

What I typed was simple. Other posters understood it. But you cry it 'doesnt make sense' then assume a position of superiority. It seems like unless its precisely reiterated how it was in lecture, you cant understand it.

Youre stuck in a box of thinkng. U.N.E.N.O. Youd make an absolutely stellar student though

What you're saying makes NO sense.

There is no evidence of a "conscious" universe.

 

[saint25225]

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[Just like bruddas]

@Napoleon

 

[the cac mamba]

i believe God is the creator, not the created. He was always there and time doesn't apply to him.

Something coming outta nothing sounds like ducktales to me :holdup2:

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[Ikwa]

Thanks for the response brother, I understand that you believe your deity is a creator and not created and whether or not time doesn't apply is irrelevant. I was just trying to understand why you keep saying that something from nothing is a crazy concept or idea which I would agree to. But you believe that something can come from nothing in regards to the god you believe inIf your deity was not created that means he comes from nothing. which means you believe something can come from nothing.

With all due respect breh, that makes no sense.

"God is the creator, not the created", that statement is quite clear. In other words he was always there, he is the one that created the universe.

It can be a hard concept for our minds to grasp but let me ask you this.

Why do find it unrealistic that a higher being could have created the universe? Look at its sheer size and structure, now try and tell me that came out of nowhere.

Speculate for a second and tell me your personal opinion on how the universe was created.