Have you ever been afraid to pray?

[ReggieFlare]

I'm still exploring spirituality but I don't normally pray...reason is because:

A. You pray for something and it happens. God answered your prayers

B. You don't get what you pray for. It is all a part of God's plan

Soooo...why not let God just do what he's going to do? I just try to focus on what I can control and forget about the stuff that I can't.

 

[PimpHandStrong]

I'm still exploring spirituality but I don't normally pray...reason is because:

A. You pray for something and it happens. God answered your prayers

B. You don't get what you pray for. It is all a part of God's plan

Soooo...why not let God just do what he's going to do? I just try to focus on what I can control and forget about the stuff that I can't.

I believe what some may call prayer another may call mediation. Thinking about it that way allows for the understanding of doing such acts allows one to connect with a higher being (or the universe) on a spiritual/metaphysical level. Beyond just asking for something.

 

[PimpHandStrong]

Good assessment

Assuming your premise, question.

Neurology basically states that due to the complex interactions occuring in the human brain the result led to man's consciousness of self.

So how is it that a 'force' infinitely more complex, a force that holds together, and defines processes of the universe, cannot also be conscious?

If anything, logically that would bring that this 'force' would be not only conscious, but much much more conscious than man.

no?

Interesting conclusion

I'd like to see the rebuttal @stealthbomber

 

[stealthbomber]

Good assessment

Assuming your premise, question.

Neurology basically states that due to the complex interactions occuring in the human brain the result led to man's consciousness of self.

So how is it that a 'force' infinitely more complex, a force that holds together, and defines processes of the universe, cannot also be conscious?

If anything, logically that would bring that this 'force' would be not only conscious, but much much more conscious than man.

no?

i dont believe this force is the cause of life. conscious "life" in the human sense is a side effect of organic compounds coming together in an unbelievable way, with extremely limited ranges of tolerance, and evolution readying us for life on this planet.

most planets don't have life because they're either too far or too close to their sun, we just happen to be in a Goldilocks zone from our Sun. our evolutionary pattern to the top is so unlikely it took an asteroid wiping out the previous rulers of the Earth for us to dominate. had that asteroid been 10 million or 20 million years later, we most likely would still be rats running around under the surface.

the point im trying to make is i dont believe life isn't consciously created and the complexity is due to evolution specializing our senses, organs, systems, and intelligence for the environment we live.

edit: but to answer the question about the force not being conscious, that entirely depends on your definition of consciousness. are we conscious? we're "awake" and can control our environment, but we don't control the processes going on within our body. we don't consciously control our digestive system, it just happens, and happens when we're not conscious. we breathe, digest, think, dream, etc unconsciously. there's actually very little about ourselves that we consciously control.

this force in a sense would have to be conscious because there would have to be some direction its going. i would argue that direction is towards entropy and nothingness, so how conscious can a force who's "life" is expanding into nothingness really be. this "consciousness" may only be visible from inside the system as we can see all this force is creating and destroying. someone outside the universe just sees an expanding universe and all the black holes, life, supernovae, solar systems that are eventual from that system.

@Van Taak
@PimpHandStrong

 

[Ego Noir]

i dont believe this force is the cause of life. conscious "life" in the human sense is a side effect of organic compounds coming together in an unbelievable way, with extremely limited ranges of tolerance, and evolution readying us for life on this planet.

most planets don't have life because they're either too far or too close to their sun, we just happen to be in a Goldilocks zone from our Sun. our evolutionary pattern to the top is so unlikely it took an asteroid wiping out the previous rulers of the Earth for us to dominate. had that asteroid been 10 million or 20 million years later, we most likely would still be rats running around under the surface.

the point im trying to make is i dont believe life isn't consciously created and the complexity is due to evolution specializing our senses, organs, systems, and intelligence for the environment we live.

edit: but to answer the question about the force not being conscious, that entirely depends on your definition of consciousness. are we conscious? we're "awake" and can control our environment, but we don't control the processes going on within our body. we don't consciously control our digestive system, it just happens, and happens when we're not conscious. we breathe, digest, think, dream, etc unconsciously. there's actually very little about ourselves that we consciously control.

this force in a sense would have to be conscious because there would have to be some direction its going. i would argue that direction is towards entropy and nothingness, so how conscious can a force who's "life" is expanding into nothingness really be. this "consciousness" may only be visible from inside the system as we can see all this force is creating and destroying. someone outside the universe just sees an expanding universe and all the black holes, life, supernovae, solar systems that are eventual from that system.

@Van Taak
@PimpHandStrong

If there is a force that 'holds together and controls' the universe how is not directly responsible for the 'organic compounds coming together in an unbelievable way'?

2. The way man is conscious is that we are aware of self. As a result of that awareness of self we forge the ability to control our environment to what we please, at a level no other living thing on this earth can. You say we can breathe, digest, think, dream etc unconsciously. But you fail to mention the fact that we can bring those things into conscious control whether it be by the practices of an Eastern Orthodox monk or by taking Ambien. We can forge conscious control. And that limit is being pushed every single day.

As for the bolded. You explicitly state that this force is creating and destroying. Therefore it has the power to create and destroy. Is creating not 'bringing life'? is not destroying 'bringing death'?


But to bring it back to my main point. We dont need to complicate it, this whole thing is straight forward.

You premise that this force is responsible for the order and disorder of the universe. It it what causes the creation and the destruction of the aspects in the universe. This is a universe whos processes are so complex we havent even BEGUN to understand a minuscule portion of its complexities.

Again, neuroscience states that as a result of the the neural complexities in the brain we are self aware. Assuming this force is one force (or a myriad of forces that have one aspect in common) how is it that a humanic system can be self-aware but one infinitely more complex cannot?

Basically my first question

 

[Chill]

I've been afraid to pray off the fact that I rarely do it and don't really go to church, I feel like I'm just abusing the idea of it only when I'm truly in need and then casting it away when I don't need it.

 

[stealthbomber]

If there is a force that 'holds together and controls' the universe how is not directly responsible for the 'organic compounds coming together in an unbelievable way'?

2. The way man is conscious is that we are aware of self. As a result of that awareness of self we forge the ability to control our environment to what we please, at a level no other living thing on this earth can. You say we can breathe, digest, think, dream etc unconsciously. But you fail to mention the fact that we can bring those things into conscious control whether it be by the practices of an Eastern Orthodox monk or by taking Ambien. We can forge conscious control. And that limit is being pushed every single day.

As for the bolded. You explicitly state that this force is creating and destroying. Therefore it has the power to create and destroy. Is creating not 'bringing life'? is not destroying 'bringing death'?

But to bring it back to my main point. We dont need to complicate it, this whole thing is straight forward.

You premise that this force is responsible for the order and disorder of the universe. It it what causes the creation and the destruction of the aspects in the universe. This is a universe whos processes are so complex we havent even BEGUN to understand a minuscule portion of its complexities.

Again, neuroscience states that as a result of the the neural complexities in the brain we are self aware. Assuming this force is one force (or a myriad of forces that have one aspect in common) how is it that a humanic system can be self-aware but one infinitely more complex cannot?

Basically my first question

well now you're comparing human awareness to universal awareness. the self awareness the universe would have is so unknown i couldn't even attempt to comment on it.

but to that point the most powerful computer in the world today is drastically more powerful than a computer of the 50s but it has no more consciousness. an engineer of the 50s might say that the computer is infinitely more powerful and conscious after seeing some of its predictability functions in word processing, the internet, and video games due to a lack of understanding on how it works.

we're just now understanding and seeing the intricacies of the universe and don't quite understand it yet. as time goes on we'll understand more and misunderstood processes like black holes, dark matter, quantum theory, etc will make sense.

on a certain level, i agree that and have said that there has to be more to everything than just numbers, and im not a scientist so most of my information is just from reading, documentaries, and some classes ive taken. but im still not convinced the universe is conscious like we are.

edit: bad examples on the super computer, but you know what i mean.

 

[Ego Noir]

well now you're comparing human awareness to universal awareness. the self awareness the universe would have is so unknown i couldn't even attempt to comment on it.

No im not. Im speaking on self-awareness of itself. Awareness of self.

but to that point the most powerful computer in the world today is drastically more powerful than a computer of the 50s but it has no more consciousness. an engineer of the 50s might say that the computer is infinitely more powerful and conscious because of some of its predictability functions in word processing and seeing the internet, due to a lack of understanding on how it works.

we're just now understanding the intricacies of the universe and don't quite understand it yet. as time goes on we'll understand more and misunderstood processes like black holes, dark matter, quantum theory, etc will make sense.

on a certain level, i agree that and have said that there has to be more to everything than just numbers, and im not a scientist so most of my information is just from reading and some classes ive taken. but im still not convinced the universe is conscious like we are.

That is because both computers have not yet reached the level of complexity to achieve self-awareness. They are theorizing the ability to soon produce a computer so complex, it becomes aware of its own existence.

My whole deduction is based upon this 'force' you alluded to and whether it can be self-aware.

but anyway im not suggesting any answers im just throwing it out there breh...

 

[Illuminatos]

talk to yourself and pretend someone is listening brehs

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Like if you havent't spoken to God in a min and you wanna pray but since its been a long time since yall spoke.

why wouldn't god know whats on your mind anyways?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

its not about him being forgiving I just hate being that guy that prays whenever he feels like it

You're only talking to yourself at the end of the day

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Act like the universe came out of nowhere and catch feelings when called out on it brehs

whats the origin of the universe have to do with "god?"

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

God was always there and created the universe :saywhat:

God is not created, rather, he is the creator :saywhat:

Prove both of those statements.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

It's not for me to judge The Almighty's wisdom

Convenient answer

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I asked a question for the folks that believe, if you don't believe in a high power , more power to you but don't come in here disrespecting the ones that do. I understand y'all wanna express yall opinions on faith..but this isnt the thread

yet you can't even substantiate that you're ACTUALLY talking to someone.

Why do you even have to pray? Doesn't god know what you're thinking? Feeling? Or saying?

Why do you even have to verbalize it or put your hands together? Does that ACTIVATE prayer mode?