Here is your leading lady's man ya'll

[Geek Nasty]

That was the last straw for me. I'm voting for Bernie. Bernie beats Cruz by 17 and Trump by 8 anyway.

 

[Rarebird77]

Ensure his legacy....when he's already be president .

You attack me, unprovoked, and come up with this shyt?? yYa'll would do anything to suck his dikk and it's blatantly obvious. Just do it without attacking people personally please. The facts are on our side. I didn't give a shyt if he endorsed Bernie or not, but it seemed like a logical extension of the things he ran on.

I know he owes the Clintons too, but I'm not trying to make it some noble shyt.

I wasn't trying to attack you personally. You came out strong and it struck me so I asked you why.

Look, Clinton herself has said she would continue on some of his policy positions if she were elected. Also, it looks to me he's planning to say in DC, he says because of his daughter, but it wouldn't surprise me if he started something like the Clinton foundation, or some other initiative to continue pushing policy while he's there. He needs to keep the friends he has.

It just looks like political strategy to me is all I'm saying.

 

[Rarebird77]

So you're going to personally attack me, because I attacked someone other than yourself....for my opinion?? I'm very sure I've forgotten more politics than you remember, and I'm not trying to bash everyone who says a bad thing about Sanders. It is what it is. My interpretation has no fukking thing to do with YOUR life.

True.

Just wanted to know why you thought that way is all.

 

[MrSinnister]

True.

Just wanted to know why you thought that way is all.

I elaborated more in that post. Don't be like cac's tho, with the "you're on the Internet so you don't really do shyt important" stuff as its highly hypocritical. I constantly research, and places like this test me a bit, when I'm bored. I get bored really easily these days. The edits to my earlier post show what I feel is wrong with him.

He wast ready to be president. It was a glamour thing to him, and he really didn't understand he can't talk bills into being passed. He grabbed the Clinton team, and jettisoned his own, after the first year.

 

[pickles]

Vote for Bernie brehs.

Clintons/Bushes aint shyt.

 

[Rarebird77]

I elaborated more in that post. Don't be like cac's tho, with the "you're on the Internet so you don't really do shyt important" stuff as its highly hypocritical. I constantly research, and places like this test me a bit, when I'm bored. I get bored really easily these days. The edits to my earlier post show what I feel is wrong with him.

He wast ready to be president. It was a glamour thing to him, and he really didn't understand he can't talk bills into being passed. He grabbed the Clinton team, and jettisoned his own, after the first year.

This is where I think you're wrong. He was very much so ready to be President.

There's nothing that makes you ready for the job of the Presidency but the actual job. In a sense no one is technically ready to be the President. The job of President is to set the vision for the country and these days more than anything exact the aims of your benefactors.

I don't think anyone can really say that Obama didn't do just that. More than anything it's just that his benefactors were from wall street which is why progressives are so angry at him.

Bernie Sanders is a true progressive. I like his message though I am worried that aside from that he might not be able to exact the aims of all that have backed him, at that, black people would need to ask where they fit in his vision because aside from "Black Lives Matter" we don't really have an organized voice of people pushing for an economic agenda with black people in mind.

I don't trust white progressives to look out for me tbh.

 

[MrSinnister]

This is where I think you're wrong. He was very much so ready to be President.

There's nothing that makes you ready for the job of the Presidency but the actual job. In a sense no one is technically ready to be the President. The job of President is to set the vision for the country and these days more than anything exact the aims of your benefactors.

I don't think anyone can really say that Obama didn't do just that. More than anything it's just that his benefactors were from wall street which is why progressives are so angry at him.

Bernie Sanders is a true progressive. I like his message though I am worried that aside from that he might not be able to exact the aims of all that have backed him, at that, black people would need to ask where they fit in his vision because aside from "Black Lives Matter" we don't really have an organized voice of people pushing for an economic agenda with black people in mind.

I don't trust white progressives to look out for me tbh.

It explains the Obama fetish, and I wish more people would come out and say how racist they actually are. It's pretty much stupid to be a Black racist, when you're in no way in the majority in this country. I know you're not extreme, at all, but you have 2 White people running.

Not going to get into the quicksand of this too much, because people, not yourself, twist my words, when I'm talking Black empowerment and responsibility, but you should ALWAYS vote and defend your principles, and not take on politics with racial fears outside of that logic. Do you have much experience with White progressives?? I do. They would do take a bullet for you from an officer. A White liberal won't.

Hillary is an elite liberal, and I really big people to research the difference in the two. And I don't give a shyt if Obama was Black, and I'm definitely Black, but he SUCKED as president in every objective measure of the term. Even Reagan advisors say he was to the right of Reagan. Obama is an elite liberal. They would go to the right. This is American liberal were talking about here, to not get it twisted. European liberals are progressives.

 

[Rarebird77]

It explains the Obama fetish, and I wish more people would come out and say how racist they actually are. It's pretty much stupid to be a Black racist, when you're in no way in the majority in this country. I know you're not extreme, at all, but you have 2 White people running.

Not going to get into the quicksand of this too much, because people, not yourself, twist my words, when I'm talking Black empowerment and responsibility, but you should ALWAYS vote and defend your principles, and not take on politics with racial fears outside of that logic. Do you have much experience with White progressives?? I do. They would do take a bullet for you from an officer. A White liberal won't.

Hillary is an elite liberal, and I really big people to research the difference in the two. And I don't give a shyt if Obama was Black, and I'm definitely Black, but he SUCKED as president in every objective measure of the term. Even Reagan advisors say he was to the right of Reagan. Obama is an elite liberal. They would go to the right. This is American liberal were talking about here, to not get it twisted. European liberals are progressives.

This explains your Sanders fetish.

Are you one of those who's in love with hipsters? You sound like it.

I have TONS of experience with white progressives you have no idea.

And I mean progessives and not liberals because yes I know the difference.

It's not racist to be wary of people who have proven to look out for mostly themselves and those who look like them.

You calling me a racist because I don't always trust white progressives is very telling and explains your Obama hatred.

I always vote, and voted based on my principles but that doesn't mean I don't get to question the candidate I support.


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[MrSinnister]

This explains your Sanders fetish.

Are you one of those who's in love with hipsters? You sound like it.

I have TONS of experience with white progressives you have no idea.

And I mean progessives and not liberals because yes I know the difference.

It's not racist to be wary of people who have proven to look out for mostly themselves and those who look like them.

You calling me a racist because I don't always trust white progressives is very telling and explains your Obama hatred.

I always vote, and voted based on my principles but that doesn't mean I don't get to question the candidate I support.


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If a White person told you he didn't trust a Black cab driver, wouldn't you consider that racist? We can't have it both ways, no matter how hard we try. I said you weren't an extreme racist, but you would likely not support a great candidate over a mediocre Black candidate because of their skin color.

I HATE hipsters. I hate them to my soul. Hipsters are usually liberals too, so don't conflate the two because they have similar politics. You can be a liberal, and many are, who loves animals more then humans and support mandatory vaccinations. Progressives are pretty consistent people intellectually and honest.

Yeah, progressives look down on stupid people, as well they should. I really try to fight that urge, but it's hard to deal with people who constantly ignore or make up their own facts, just to be right. It's even harder when as soon as they feel the debate is out of their control, intellectually, they start personally attacking people.

This is why progressives don't like to fukk with people outside of their bubble. I completely understand this. I am an more outgoing one, like many others, that feel it's time to get the message across that identity politics has got to go, and we need fair taxation to wipe out the debt, upwards mobility, and money out of politics.

A liberal wants only some of those things, and will not care about a broken system if their side is winning from it.

Again, stop judging the politics of people from how they look. There's hipsters and eccentrics. Eccentrics are more apt to be progressive, while hipsters are following a counterculture trend to get attention, like your usual liberal.

 

[Rarebird77]

If a White person told you he didn't trust a Black cab driver, wouldn't you consider that racist? We can't have it both ways, no matter how hard we try. I said you weren't an extreme racist, but you would likely not support a great candidate over a mediocre Black candidate because of their skin color.

I HATE hipsters. I hate them to my soul. Hipsters are usually liberals too, so don't conflate the two because they have similar politics. You can be a liberal, and many are, who loves animals more then humans and support mandatory vaccinations. Progressives are pretty consistent people intellectually and honest.

Yeah, progressives look down on stupid people, as well they should. I really try to fight that urge, but it's hard to deal with people who constantly ignore or make up their own facts, just to be right. It's even harder when as soon as they feel the debate is out of their control, intellectually, they start personally attacking people.

This is why progressives don't like to fukk with people outside of their bubble. I completely understand this. I am an more outgoing one, like many others, that feel it's time to get the message across that identity politics has got to go, and we need fair taxation to wipe out the debt, upwards mobility, and money out of politics.

A liberal wants only some of those things, and will not care about a broken system if their side is winning from it.

Again, stop judging the politics of people from how they look. There's hipsters and eccentrics. Eccentrics are more apt to be progressive, while hipsters are following a counterculture trend to get attention, like your usual liberal.

Don't most hipsters deny they are hipsters? Isn't that the rule. ..

I think it's sad you think the only reason a person would support Pres. Obama is because he's black even though it seems to be a bit of the reason why you hate him. ..

At that, I only chose candidate based on the message and vision they are selling. After hearing that I ask myself whether or not their vision supports my reality and whether or not that vision includes me and people who are like me.

In the case of Bernie Sanders there are aspects to his vision I do support though there are many things unrealistic and not doable, point blank period.

I also don't ever hear him explain, aside from a populist revolt, how he's going to do most of what he's professing. His basic plan being that he will tax the rich and redistribute wealth right. How? Without the support of Congress. How?

It'd be different if I saw him simultaneous to running for President creating a coalition of potential Senators and Representatives to vote for come midterms he would seem to have some sort of plan to me. His rhetoric would seem to have some sort of agenda.

As it stands, his entire time in Congress he didn't build any such coalition. That's troubling to me because politics is all about building consensus, building coalitions.

And also, even after a lot of his rhetoric, Sanders still voted for things that went against his convictions.

Now, at the end of the day I agree with Sanders' convictions but that doesn't mean I shouldn't question how he's going to get things done.

That' beyond race mind you.

Why are you so sensitive to a black person questioning the motives of white progressives? Why shouldn't black people, given the history of this country not question their motivations?

I could care less about that silly cab shyt you talkin' I'm speaking on history and the reality of race relations in the U.S.

I'm not into kumbaya and I don't hate people or look at people based on their race but I do know history and live in reality and any progressive who like you say is down with black people wouldn't mind me speaking on this because it's true.

 

[LurkMoar]

Ill Clinton is absolved of all wrongs

 

[MrSinnister]

Don't most hipsters deny they are hipsters? Isn't that the rule. ..

I think it's sad you think the only reason a person would support Pres. Obama is because he's black even though it seems to be a bit of the reason why you hate him. ..

At that, I only chose candidate based on the message and vision they are selling. After hearing that I ask myself whether or not their vision supports my reality and whether or not that vision includes me and people who are like me.

In the case of Bernie Sanders there are aspects to his vision I do support though there are many things unrealistic and not doable, point blank period.

I also don't ever hear him explain, aside from a populist revolt, how he's going to do most of what he's professing. His basic plan being that he will tax the rich and redistribute wealth right. How? Without the support of Congress. How?

It'd be different if I saw him simultaneous to running for President creating a coalition of potential Senators and Representatives to vote for come midterms he would seem to have some sort of plan to me. His rhetoric would seem to have some sort of agenda.

As it stands, his entire time in Congress he didn't build any such coalition. That's troubling to me because politics is all about building consensus, building coalitions.

And also, even after a lot of his rhetoric, Sanders still voted for things that went against his convictions.

Now, at the end of the day I agree with Sanders' convictions but that doesn't mean I shouldn't question how he's going to get things done.

That' beyond race mind you.

Why are you so sensitive to a black person questioning the motives of white progressives? Why shouldn't black people, given the history of this country not question their motivations?

I could care less about that silly cab shyt you talkin' I'm speaking on history and the reality of race relations in the U.S.

I'm not into kumbaya and I don't hate people or look at people based on their race but I do know history and live in reality and any progressive who like you say is down with black people wouldn't mind me speaking on this because it's true.

Brah, I didn't say you were an extreme racist, but I like how you try to make me one. I've said NOTHING about hating Obama, partially, because he was Black. That was one of the reasons I SUPPORTED HIM!!! I've since found identity politics doesn't work, because people support stupid policy because of the race or sex of the person pushing it. I fear Cult of Personalities.

You have literally said you can't trust White progressives. You're trying to rationalize racism, and attack me for simply quoting you. I don't get it.

You've now sunk into conjecture to drag me into the hole you've dug, and made this debate unproductive.

 

[Atlrocafella]

After thinking about it, I honestly believe he was referring to republicans saying 'No' to everything the last 8 years. I'm not naive, they are going to eventually distance themselves a bit from Obama but this is too soon in the campaign and way too blunt.

Clinton campaign mops up Bill's 'awful' gaffe
By NOLAN D. MCCASKILL


03/22/16 07:23 AM EDT

Hillary Clinton’s campaign early Tuesday morning pushed back against reports that former President Bill Clinton called President Barack Obama’s policies “awful,” insisting that only Bernie Sanders' campaign would openly attack the sitting president.

At a campaign stop in Washington state Monday on behalf of his wife, Clinton highlighted the former secretary of state as a change-maker but acknowledged there may be a few reasons people wouldn’t support her. He added, however, that voters should support her “if you believe we’ve finally come to the point where we can put the awful legacy of the last eight years behind us and the seven years before that,” according to USA Today.

Hillary Clinton campaign press secretary Brian Fallon sought to clarify early Tuesday that the former president was referring to Republican obstruction of Obama when he used the term “awful.”

“Sanders is only Dem in race who actually attacks @POTUS,” Fallon wrote, retweeting a report from The Hill in which Sanders criticized Bill Clinton for his comments regarding Obama.

Hillary Clinton often embraces Obama’s presidency on the trail. Sanders, meanwhile, hasn’t shied away from being critical of the president. But on Monday night he said he didn’t know that he’d “call President Obama’s 72 straight months of job growth an ‘awful legacy.’”

USA Today updated its report with a statement from Bill Clinton spokesman Angel Urena, who also maintained that Clinton was referring to Republican obstructionism.

“When Republicans controlled the White House, their trickle-down approach drove our economy to the brink of a collapse,” Urena said. “After President Obama was elected, Republicans made it their number one goal to block him at every turn. That unprecedented obstruction these last eight years is their legacy, and the American people should reject it by electing Hillary Clinton to build on President Obama's success so we can all grow and succeed together.”



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[MrSinnister]

""Hillary Clinton campaign press secretary Brian Fallon sought to clarify early Tuesday that the former president was referring to Republican obstruction of Obama when he used the term “awful.”

“Sanders is only Dem in race who actually attacks @POTUS,” Fallon wrote, retweeting a report from The Hill in which Sanders criticized Bill Clinton for his comments regarding Obama.""

Again, Hillary attacks Obama way more than that. "Don't do dumb shyt, is not an organizing principle". I guess that's a massage.