Hillary and slave labor

[EndDomination]

What do you think prisoners should do? Just sit around. Exercise. Rape each other?

Unfortunately, this is a difficult question to answer.
Many of the "utopian" Leftists propose the abolition of the labor entirely: which is retarded in its thinking.
Part of the opposition stems from the fact that such a large percentage of prisoners are locked up for possession and/or distribution of marijuana, which disproportionately affects African-Americans.
If the prison system didn't disproportionately affected Black people, and the prison-industrial complex wasn't a corrupt hodge-podge of ineffective companies profiting off of the labour, I would have no issue with making prisoners work, and then subtracting food and housing from their wages, whild ensuring that heavy rehabilitation programmes are implemented.
Unfortunately this is not the case, and answering the question is far more difficult.
Perhaps, in the elimination of private prisons, a conversion from contract labour using the prisoners as chattel, to a system of infrastructure building, using the prisoners as a legitimate work force, would be far more appropriate, and would allow them to craft a resume citing real work experience and legitimate projects completed.
I don't know, that's wishful thinking.

 

[JahFocus CS]

So when other countries have prisoners do labor, they're called "labor camps" and "gulags"

Here, it doesn't even warrant a critique, and guys are being apologists for a system that has the substance and optics of chattel slavery.

:c00nsmirk:

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Its being warped a bit, you're one of the smartest posters on here, I"m sure you're aware of that.
As a person who has been well-aware of the use of "prison" labour in most American industry, this doesn't even make me blink an eye.
The attempt to make it seem "unusual" that Hillary Clinton was one of the people who lived at a place essentially served by slave-like prison labour, is the issue.
Nearly all governors, senators, and federal politicians reside or work in places that are "serviced" by slave-like prison labour.
I'm not excusing her, but considering this has been deeply ingratiated into our system, attempting to pick out unpopular individuals may prove to be more damaging than helpful.
There needs to be righteous outrage and the full system, as well as the involved individuals, considering the current governor is using prison labour as well, my inner adolescent Leftist won't be satisfied crying on Twitter about Hillary alone.

AND she didn't demean the fukking prisoners.

I mean she's a sheltered white woman who was at that point the First Lady of Arkansas. You could do a lot worse for someone who in her own right was a professional lawyer, child advocate, etc.

And, this was 30 fukking years ago.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

So when other countries have prisoners do labor, they're called "labor camps" and "gulags"

Here, it doesn't even warrant a critique, and guys are being apologists for a system that has the substance and optics of chattel slavery.

:c00nsmirk:

Bruh, the worst prison conditions in the USA do not approach other countries.

Stop it already.

Now I know yo'll bring up the nordic countries, but those are severe outliers.

Labor camps don't exist in the USA. The closest you may get is Angola or some shyt.

But even then, these aren't fukking gulags where you're treated worse than dog meat.

 

[Pressure]

So when other countries have prisoners do labor, they're called "labor camps" and "gulags"

Here, it doesn't even warrant a critique, and guys are being apologists for a system that has the substance and optics of chattel slavery.

:c00nsmirk:

It does warrant critique.

What does an ideal prison look like to you? How does it operate?

 

[EndDomination]

Like this, see how easily a excerpt that pointed toward a long-standing system of "employing" slave-like prison labor, common in local and state government in all 50 states, becomes centered on Hillary?
Its like how pseudo-intellectuals attempted to place the entirety of the "drug war" on Hillary Clinton's use of the word "superpredator", as opposed to across-the-aisle consensus, local, state, and national government, outside governmental organizations, caucuses like the Congressional Black Caucus, religious and philanthropic organizations, and big money from major-players in the prison industrial complex.
I'm not caping for her abysmal record, but this is so agenda-laden, it practically has a Trump2016 tattoo on its forehead.

 

[Uncle Hotep]

people really in here caping for prisons and prison labor?


this section turning into reddit.

Big difference between working for the state and working for private corp....even then they learn job skills and discipline and work habits etc...

 

[EndDomination]

So when other countries have prisoners do labor, they're called "labor camps" and "gulags"

Here, it doesn't even warrant a critique, and guys are being apologists for a system that has the substance and optics of chattel slavery.

:c00nsmirk:

You know what else is interesting.
US news' publications love of the term "concentration camp" when it is outside of the US, but "detention camp" when it is inside the US.

 

[IVS]

I agree, maybe I wasn't clear. The problem is the entire system.

Exactly. The simple minded and shortsighted negroes amongst wont understand that. And some of their loyalties to calling themselves liberals and democrats wont allow them to understand it either. Esp because its being attached to Massa Clinton.

 

[Pressure]

Exactly. The simple minded and shortsighted negroes amongst wont understand that. And some of their loyalties to calling themselves liberals and democrats wont allow them to understand it either. Esp because its being attached to Massa Clinton.

I hear a lot of blaming but not much explaining. How do you think prison should operate? What's an ideal prison system for you?

 

[JahFocus CS]

It does warrant critique.

What does an ideal prison look like to you? How does it operate?

Honestly, I have not fully worked through my own thoughts on prison as an institution. I am sympathetic to prison abolition (good material on this from Angela Davis, Marc Lamont Hill, etc.), but I'm not quite there with it. I definitely want to see the prison-industrial complex be dismantled and see the (in)justice system in the U.S. as hopelessly racist and anti-working class (as is the state as a formation, itself). Fixing all of those problems undoubtedly requires something bordering on abolitionism. And agents of the state don't have the moral authority to be locking people up... they're the real criminals as far as I'm concerned

At the same time, philosophically, I don't think criminals like rapists, pedophiles, etc. should be living freely. There are schools of thought surrounding restorative justice out there but frankly I'm not opposed to justice for those types of criminals (rapists, pedophiles, murderers) in the form of a firing squad.

If you're asking for an IMMEDIATE reform, I'd like to see prisons operate like how they do in the Nordic countries. There are a lot of countries with better systems than the U.S. though

Also, I don't feel prisoners should be FORCED to labor. They already lost their freedom, they shouldn't have to toil for private companies to make them profits ... unless we want to give a pass to corrective labor systems from past decades

voluntary labor at normal wages (presumably the prevailing minimum wage) if prisoners want to make money is fine. or, if it is for public works programs like infrastructure, I'm less opposed to it

 

[Pressure]

Honestly, I have not fully worked through my own thoughts on prison as an institution. I am sympathetic to prison abolition (good material on this from Angela Davis, Marc Lamont Hill, etc.), but I'm not quite there with it. I definitely want to see the prison-industrial complex be dismantled and see the (in)justice system in the U.S. as hopelessly racist and anti-working class (as is the state as a formation, itself). Fixing all of those problems undoubtedly requires something bordering on abolitionism. And agents of the state don't have the moral authority to be locking people up... they're the real criminals as far as I'm concerned

At the same time, philosophically, I don't think criminals like rapists, pedophiles, etc. should be living freely. There are schools of thought surrounding restorative justice out there but frankly I'm not opposed to justice for those types of criminals (rapists, pedophiles, murderers) in the form of a firing squad.

I appreciate the response. Interesting.

 

[AZBeauty]

I heard about this before (not associated with Hiliary) she even wrote her book and at the time I was disgusted. After speaking to one of my childhood friends who stays in and out of jail, I kinda changed my feelings on it. From what he told me, he would personally not like to work in the governors mansion or be in any other situation like this. However, he could see how some inmates would view it as a perk. Being able to leave the confines of the prison and be out in the "world". Of course he said this all depends on how the inmates were treated while at the mansion but he assumed it would be better than prison. I responded without reading other folks replies so I'm going to go back and see how everyone else sees this but its better to get the perspective from a person who was actually in one of those jails who also worked in the mansion.

 

[dh86]

except they're not slaves

They're prisoners who can elect to work certain jobs and signal improved behavior for benefits during their terms.

Now, granted this was over 30 years ago, I think she's allowed to evolve on this issue, as she has.

Y'all won't even hold Trump accountable for shyt he did 12 hours ago.

I was told she was a change agent, a glass ceiling shatterer, reformer etc since the 60s though? Looks like Goldwater Girl showed her true nature

 

[JahFocus CS]

I heard about this before (not associated with Hiliary) she even wrote her book and at the time I was disgusted. After speaking to one of my childhood friends who stays in and out of jail, I kinda changed my feelings on it. From what he told me, he would personally not like to work in the governors mansion or be in any other situation like this. However, he could see how some inmates would view it as a perk. Being able to leave the confines of the prison and be out in the "world". Of course he said this all depends on how the inmates were treated while at the mansion but he assumed it would be better than prison. I responded without reading other folks replies so I'm going to go back and see how everyone else sees this but its better the perspective from a person who was actually in one of those jails who also worked in the mansion.

Right, but the problem remains that prisoners are being treated poorly in the prisons... the choice shouldn't be between "get treated like shyt in the prison" and "work like it's 1799 at Mount Vernon"