Hillary Clinton: Being a Capitalist Hurt Me in Primary Because Many Democrats Are Socialists

[storyteller]

Meh, she's not all that off base and since her loss the next batch of presidential hopefuls have moved left of her policy proposals. But the crux of this issue (there were a gang of factors in her loss) wasn't that Socialists (or should I clarify Democratic Socialists?) wouldn't vote for a Capitalist, it was that when she says "Yes, but with appropriate regulation and appropriate accountability" there was a large contingent of Bernie supporters (and Independents) who didn't trust her to actually establish the appropriate regulations and accountability.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

lol what?! Please explain what she had to do with Martin Shkreli's prosecution for securities fraud.

The Shkreli story blew up when Hillary tweeted about it. She sent the entire pharmaceutical industry into a dive on the markets signaling that she would enact penalties and restrictions

 

[AnonymityX1000]

The Shkreli story blew up when Hillary tweeted about it. She sent the entire pharmaceutical industry into a dive on the markets signaling that she would enact penalties and restrictions

That was due to the price hike on a specific medicine
Sorry, that has nothing to do with why he is in jail. In fact he didn't get indicted until months later.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

One second she is about serious reforms and the next Bernie is promising ponies. Which is it? Are serious reforms possible or not?

And Hillary was all about escalating the conflict in Syria. Bad policy.
Hillary was for a global economy which is a race to the bottom for laborers. Bad policy.
Hillary is not for single payer but for a giveaway to insurance companies. Bad policy.

i already showed you how Bernie lives on dreams not policy. Nothing he proposes is ever more than (I hate this word) virtue signaling that he’s on the side of the people but never gets laws passed.

For instance his bill to import Canadian drugs because they were cheaper was dumb as fukk. The USA pharmaceutical industry leads the world in output and research and now you want to sell back generics of our own drugs to harm our industries and markets? Just cause you live next door to Montreal?

A no fly zone in Syria would have worked. Now Russia has the area. Too late.

Global economies puts more money in your pocket and gives you greater access to more and cheaper goods. Plus having deals in place helps to keep standards up in poorer countries.

Hillary supports single payer the same way Obama does. But they know there’s better and immediate ways to get it through other means. Even Obama said if he could start over with the entire country he would support single payer.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

That was due to the price hike on a specific medicine
Sorry, that has nothing to do with why he is in jail. In fact he didn't get indicted until months later.

wrong. Even Skhreli literally blames the attention Hillary got him for the exposal of daraprim’s price rise.

Hillary Clinton tweet crushes biotech stocks

Hillary Clinton fumes at controversial CEO who jacked up drug price: 'So Mr. Shkreli, what's it going to be?'

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

What about those patented law and order clinton era super predator policies

The ones Bernie actually voted for?

Bernie Sanders voted for the 1994 tough-on-crime law. But it's complicated.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

It depends on what issue you are talking about.

• Ant-war, military truly being the last resort
• Single payer
• Federal jobs program
• Strong Union support and Wall St. oversight
• Restore Glass Steagall
• Campaign finance reform
• Restore privacy repeal the Patriot Act
• Criminal Justice Reform

If there is a particular issue you are curious about I will inform you of the 'hard left' position.

Hillary supports a majority of that. Hell even sanders isn’t a pacifist.

On top of that Hillary was supporting corporate reform in reporting to encourage more long term thinking.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

i already showed you how Bernie lives on dreams not policy. Nothing he proposes is ever more than (I hate this word) virtue signaling that he’s on the side of the people but never gets laws passed.

For instance his bill to import Canadian drugs because they were cheaper was dumb as fukk. The USA pharmaceutical industry leads the world in output and research and now you want to sell back generics of our own drugs to harm our industries and markets? Just cause you live next door to Montreal?

A no fly zone in Syria would have worked. Now Russia has the area. Too late.

Global economies puts more money in your pocket and gives you greater access to more and cheaper goods. Plus having deals in place helps to keep standards up in poorer countries.

Hillary supports single payer the same way Obama does. But they know there’s better and immediate ways to get it through other means. Even Obama said if he could start over with the entire country he would support single payer.

No, it was to get cheaper drugs for fukkin' sick people. Do you even consider them in your analysis?! The US drug companies need to lower their prices. You know the entire reason Hillary was tweeting about Skhreli?!
Yeah, Russia would have just said okey dokey, a no fly zone wouldn't have escalated anything with a nuclear power. lol
No, global economies make US unionized workers compete with people in other countries' workers who get paid like $5 a week. Thus driving US wages down.
Aw shucks, in hindsight I would support single payer?! Why not do it from jumpstreet?! Oh, so insurance companies HAVE TO get their cut.
Dems the jig is up. No one is falling for your rhetoric on these subjects. Seems you are the last to find out.

wrong. Even Skhreli literally blames the attention Hillary got him for the exposal of daraprim’s price rise.

Hillary Clinton tweet crushes biotech stocks

Hillary Clinton fumes at controversial CEO who jacked up drug price: 'So Mr. Shkreli, what's it going to be?'

His indictment is shareholder focused not customer focused. He defrauded investors that's why he is in jail. It has nothing to do with the drug prices. Nice try tho.

 

[Dr. Acula]

Progressives who are anti-Capitalism do not understand political philosophy, and aren't Progressives.
Its just fact, breh.

I think the problem is the idea is this is either or.

We have a mixed economy. Not capitalist or socialist. Social security and Medicare/medicaid are socialist programs.

You can believe in capitalist enterprise and believe maybe some things like healthcare should be socialized. You don't have to be one or the other wholly.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

I think the problem is the idea is this is either or.

We have a mixed economy. Not capitalist or socialist. Social security and Medicare/medicaid are socialist programs.

You can believe in capitalist enterprise and believe maybe some things like healthcare should be socialized. You don't have to be one or the other wholly.

Exactly, and every industry should seriously consider what works best for society. Being an idealogue for just one side is dumb. Some industries work better with a capitalist model others with a socialists or not for profit one.

 

[North of Death]

The ones Bernie actually voted for?

Bernie Sanders voted for the 1994 tough-on-crime law. But it's complicated.

Yes, that would be the one..Lets not forget Bill Clinton signing it into law and Hillary doubling down on it for the 2008 and 2016 campains

 

[Shogun]

I think the problem is the idea is this is either or.

We have a mixed economy. Not capitalist or socialist. Social security and Medicare/medicaid are socialist programs.

You can believe in capitalist enterprise and believe maybe some things like healthcare should be socialized. You don't have to be one or the other wholly.

It is either, or....

Medicare/medicaid, even single payer, can be justified through Progressive Liberal philosophy - and should be if you want to keep those ideas palatable to half the country that hears "Socialism" and instantly turns off.

Calling these things Socialist is inaccurate, and is doing a disservice to their advancement.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

It is either, or....

Medicare/medicaid, even single payer, can be justified through Progressive Liberal philosophy - and should be if you want to keep those ideas palatable to half the country that hears "Socialism" and instantly turns off.

Calling these things Socialist is inaccurate, and is doing a disservice to their advancement.

Why do they need labels? They are just different policy strategies. Putting them in these buckets is part of the problem. It's overly nerdy and technical and turns people off for no good reason as you stated.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

No, it was to get cheaper drugs for fukkin' sick people. Do you even consider them in your analysis?! The US drug companies need to lower their prices. You know the entire reason Hillary was tweeting about Skhreli?!

boy are you an annoying little c*nt.

Christ.

Sick people are the only ones buying drugs you fukking moron.

Drug companies should and can lower their prices with better negotiation tools that you would get to through democrat policies like Obama care to limit fee rises.

Hope you're Happy with Trump

Yeah, Russia would have just said okey dokey, a no fly zone wouldn't have escalated anything with a nuclear power. lol

Bullshyt. America would make them back down.

Stop being so fukking scared of doing anything against Russia.

We literally drop bombs around Russian mercenaries all day.

No, global economies make US unionized workers compete with people in other countries' workers who get paid like $5 a week. Thus driving US wages down.

your MacBook says otherwise

Aw shucks, in hindsight I would support single payer?! Why not do it from jumpstreet?! Oh, so insurance companies HAVE TO get their cut.
Dems the jig is up. No one is falling for your rhetoric on these subjects. Seems you are the last to find out.

History exists. Its not directly easy to just scrap legislation and start over. Theres a thing called Congress. Obama just signs the bill.

His indictment is shareholder focused not customer focused. He defrauded investors that's why he is in jail. It has nothing to do with the drug prices. Nice try tho.

His fame was elevated because of the daraprim scandal, his criminal liability was due to stock fraud

 

[Shogun]

Why do they need labels? They are just different policy strategies. Putting them in these buckets is part of the problem. It's overly nerdy and technical and turns people off for no good reason as you stated.

It's more than just a label. The mislabeling, or lack of concern with the mislabeling, is allowing the right to dictate the conversation. It's allowing the right to keep the political conversation to the right of the spectrum. It's forcing leftist candidates to tap dance around issues rather than taking a strong position (that you seem to want them to do).

And, politics should be nerdy and technical. The fact that it's descended into fodder for tweets and intellectual-laziness is part of the reason why we have a tweeting, intellectually lazy president.

I would prefer a nerdy and technical president to a "cool" one. In order for nerdy and technical presidents to win the discussion surrounding politics has to be nerdy and technical. And, frankly, characterizing political awareness as nerdy is such a perfect representation of where America is, and is why Trump might just be the president that all of America deserves.

I'll go on my nerdy and technical way now....